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Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun owners

Thousands of critics – including some journalism professionals – have weighed in. And at least one blogger has retaliated by publishing the names and addresses of editors and executives at the Journal News, the publication headquartered in White Plains, N.Y., north of New York City and part of the Gannett organization.

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Among the most outspoken critics of the Journal News’s controversial gun map project is lawyer and author Charles Fountain, who blogs at “For What It’s Worth.”

This week, he published the names, addresses and other contact information for the newspaper's publisher, editor, and other staff members connected with the news story and map. (In an “Editor’s note,” the newspaper already had acknowledged that reporter Dwight R. Worley, who wrote the story, “owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011.”)

"Somehow, [The Journal News was] conflating legal gun owners with some crazed, tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together, and I was offended by that and I wondered how they'd like it if their addresses were published,” Mr. Fountain said on CNN.

Gun owner map ricochet: Blogger publishes journalists' personal data - CSMonitor.com


HA! Serves em right.
 
My oldest daughter's college has a known policy of no firearms allowed on campus and it is grounds for explusion - meaning anyone walking off campus is known to certainly be unarmed. There are now literally numerous muggings and violent assaults mostly against it openly known unarmed women who leave campus - include now groups of women - and the incidents are growing generally within 1 to 2 blocks of campus. Campus security can not act off campus.

So the campus now is urging no students to leave campus. Particularly since it has become known that these assaults are literally part of a gang initiation requirement - to assault one or more students of her campus. The response of the university is to urge no one to leave campus.

Her's is a liberal perspective university in general.

I've noticed that is the expectation of many liberals now. 1.) That it is essentially criminal not to mind your own business - meaning a legal duty to be totally apathetic towards others in terms of protect and coming to their aid and 2.) to hide. To look out your window to see if anyone is around - and then with key in hand run as fast as you can to get in your car, lock the door and drive off (sitting low) straight to where you are going - and only if you must.

Thus, if people would just voluntarily imprison and isolate themselves, there would be less violent crimes and less gun violence.
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As a footnote, my daughter with a couple other concerned students made a formal inquiry of whether campus police are "police" or "security" - meaning whether they have a right to frisk/search anyone? The answer is they are only security and have no right to search or frisk any student.

Her and the student's response? "Well, I guess that solves the problem." The campus administrator asked "what problem?" Response? "oh, never mind, don't worry about it." And they are spreading the word. I suspect a wannabe gang member or 2 are in for quite surprise fairly soon. No rule against having a firearm off campus and sort of hard to know when a person actually came into exact possession of it. Whatjathink?

The anti-gun folks have a lot of slogans - untrue ones - of "you're more likely to shoot a relative or friend than use a gun to stop a crime." But those are just false slogans. No one was ever accidentally raped, violently assaulted, murdered, mugged or robbed.

Here is a statistic that matters, too bad someone hasn't tried to calculated it. 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 (depending whose statistics you believe) women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. Or about 35,000,000 women in this country.

What percentage of those women had a firearm in her possession when she was assaulted - and what percentage did not. Anyone care to guess?

Anti gun liberals don't care about that. They only care about gun-deaths. And NEVER bother to say which were criminals killed in the commission of a crime - because they don't care about crime. They only care about guns.

As one member suggests, a woman shouldn't use a gun to prevent being raped because she then might get questioned by the police. Better to just get raped and then let the police file a report.

I believe that states should allow college campuses that so choose to carry guns, except in dorms, fraternities, sororities, and buildings where firearms might be inherently dangerous. Specifically, states should not force colleges to allow students to carry or not carry, but they should allow colleges to set their own gun policy that conforms to the laws of the land.

The reason I don't want guns in dorms or frat houses is because depression is a serious problem in colleges, and I can guarantee you that letting students have guns in dorms would lead to an increase in suicides.
 
I believe that states should allow college campuses that so choose to carry guns, except in dorms, fraternities, sororities, and buildings where firearms might be inherently dangerous. Specifically, states should not force colleges to allow students to carry or not carry, but they should allow colleges to set their own gun policy that conforms to the laws of the land.

The reason I don't want guns in dorms or frat houses is because depression is a serious problem in colleges, and I can guarantee you that letting students have guns in dorms would lead to an increase in suicides.

That's reasonable and the solution to that is gun lockers (then also for high value personal items).
 
That's reasonable and the solution to that is gun lockers (then also for high value personal items).

OK, I could go for that.
 
New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar....

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A suburban New York newspaper that sparked an uproar among gun enthusiasts by publishing names and addresses of residents holding pistol permits is now planning to publish even more identities of permit-toting locals.

Further names and addresses will be added as they become available to a map originally published on December 24 in the White Plains, New York-based Journal News, the newspaper said.

The original map listed thousands of pistol permit holders in suburban Westchester and Rockland counties just north of New York City.

Along with an article entitled "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the map was compiled in response to the December 14 shooting deaths of 26 children and adults in Newtown, Connecticut, editors of the Gannett Corp.-owned newspaper said.

The next batch of names will be permit holders in suburban Putnam County, New York, where the county clerk told the newspaper it is still compiling information.

Republican state Senator Greg Ball of Patterson, New York, said he planned to introduce legislation to keep permit information private except to prosecutors and police.

A similar bill that he introduced earlier as an Assemblyman failed in the state Assembly.

"The asinine editors at the Journal News have once again gone out of their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners throughout the region," Ball wrote on his Senate web site.

But media critic Al Tompkins of the Florida-based Poynter Institute wrote online this week that the newspaper's reporting had not gone far enough to justify the permit holders' loss of privacy.

"If journalists could show flaws in the gun permitting system, that would be newsworthy," he said. "Or, for example, if gun owners were exempted from permits because of political connections, then journalists could better justify the privacy invasion.".....snip~

New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar - Yahoo! News
Reuters – 1 hr 24 mins ago<<<<< More here!

Seems the Journal is not done and they will put out more names.
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New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar....

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A suburban New York newspaper that sparked an uproar among gun enthusiasts by publishing names and addresses of residents holding pistol permits is now planning to publish even more identities of permit-toting locals.

Further names and addresses will be added as they become available to a map originally published on December 24 in the White Plains, New York-based Journal News, the newspaper said.

The original map listed thousands of pistol permit holders in suburban Westchester and Rockland counties just north of New York City.

Along with an article entitled "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood," the map was compiled in response to the December 14 shooting deaths of 26 children and adults in Newtown, Connecticut, editors of the Gannett Corp.-owned newspaper said.

The next batch of names will be permit holders in suburban Putnam County, New York, where the county clerk told the newspaper it is still compiling information.

Republican state Senator Greg Ball of Patterson, New York, said he planned to introduce legislation to keep permit information private except to prosecutors and police.

A similar bill that he introduced earlier as an Assemblyman failed in the state Assembly.

"The asinine editors at the Journal News have once again gone out of their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners throughout the region," Ball wrote on his Senate web site.

But media critic Al Tompkins of the Florida-based Poynter Institute wrote online this week that the newspaper's reporting had not gone far enough to justify the permit holders' loss of privacy.

"If journalists could show flaws in the gun permitting system, that would be newsworthy," he said. "Or, for example, if gun owners were exempted from permits because of political connections, then journalists could better justify the privacy invasion.".....snip~

New York newspaper to list more gun permit holders after uproar - Yahoo! News
Reuters – 1 hr 24 mins ago<<<<< More here!

Seems the Journal is not done and they will put out more names.
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Reprehensible....Can you imagine the outrage if a paper wanted to publish the names and addresses of say Gay people, or better yet voter roles and how a person voted?
 
Reprehensible....Can you imagine the outrage if a paper wanted to publish the names and addresses of say Gay people, or better yet voter roles and how a person voted?

I agree with the Tomkins guy.....how do they justify this invasion of privacy?
 
I agree with the Tomkins guy.....how do they justify this invasion of privacy?


Not speaking for them, but this paper is Gannett owned, and known for some time to have a radical anti 2nd Amendment agenda. They don't think that anyone in America that isn't law enforcement, or military should own any gun. And they use their paper to push that. I'd love to see them get sued if someone gets hurt as a direct result of their name and address being published by this group of jack asses.
 
Not speaking for them, but this paper is Gannett owned, and known for some time to have a radical anti 2nd Amendment agenda. They don't think that anyone in America that isn't law enforcement, or military should own any gun. And they use their paper to push that. I'd love to see them get sued if someone gets hurt as a direct result of their name and address being published by this group of jack asses.


Yeah, I did say earlier in the thread that they should keep stats on crime in those neighborhoods. Especially over Burglaries and Home Invasions. Knowing there is no gun in the House. Even juvenile kids now will be hip to knowing if they need worry about someone in the house with a Gun.

Guess the paper wasn't concerned they became National News over it either.
 
Re: Newspaper helps ensure safety of registered gun owners

The proper response is to research the addresses, phone numbers and places of employment of all children and relatives of all of the newspaper's staff, plus that of all staff members - along with as many photographs of each of them personally and of the front of their houses - plus estimated income of each - as can be obtained - and of all delivery employees on a similar blog and interactive map for anyone who wants to look them up.

That way if anyone has a story to report, they have the maximum available information to do so with.

They did. :thumbs:
 
Maybe where you live, not any of the places I live. Oklahoma, you have to have reasonable fear of your life. Texas, deadly force is allowed for the protection of property. It is rare for a home owner in either location that shoots someone to actually be investigated, much less arrested and tried. Haven't heard of any lawsuits from it either.

The cops like it also, less work and less paper work and no hassles from the perps. Saves the county and cities money also.

You've made tererun a very unhappy person, probably jumping up and down in the basement, throwing computer equipment and spewing saliva all over the walls. :lol:
 
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Of course, they will claim First Amendment rights while trying to destroy the Second Amendment..

As a libertarian I view the Bill of Rights and US Constitution as a all-or-nothing scenario. One either believes in all amendments or believes in none. Sadly progressives generally pick and choose.
I happen to believe in them all, but I don't get your logic on believing in all or none. People can fail to see the virtues in one and not the others.
 
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I happen to believe in them all, but I don't get your logic on believing in all or none. People can fail to see the virtues in one and not the others.


There is a process for changing the constitution, and that is through the amendment process. If you don't see the virtue in a right that is now protected to us by the constitution the only remedy you have is spelled out, get 2/3 of the states to ratify a change, or amendment. Short of that you are not acting within the document set up to run this country.
 
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There is a process for changing the constitution, and that is through the amendment process. If you don't see the virtue in a right that is now protected to us by the constitution the only remedy you have is spelled out, get 2/3 of the states to ratify a change, or amendment. Short of that you are not acting within the document set up to run this country.
Not seeing the virtue of a right does not necessitate that anything be done about it. This does not answer the question about the logic of accepting all or none.
 
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I happen to believe in them all, but I don't get your logic on believing in all or none. People can fail to see the virtues in one and not the others.

That's the problem - IMO, that is not possible because I don't believe the Bill of Rights or Constitution is a "living document."

The Bill of Rights was never meant to be amended.. The Bill of Rights are exactly as they are defined - The Bill of Rights.

One cannot amend liberties... That would be like founding a relationship with an individual via a gift then several years later telling that individual to give that gift back...
 
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That's the problem - IMO, that is not possible because I don't believe the Bill of Rights or Constitution is a "living document."

The Bill of Rights was never meant to be amended.. The Bill of Rights are exactly as they are defined - The Bill of Rights.

One cannot amend liberties... That would be like founding a relationship with an individual via a gift then several years later telling that individual to give that gift back...

In the final analysis the supreme authority in the United States is We the People. Which is why there are mechanisms for amending the Constitution.

A constitutional amendment can take any form at all. There is no such thing as an "unconstitutional" constitutional amendment. If we were all converted to a certain religion I have in mind tomorrow and decided that as a result of our new found belief that women and Christians should lose the franchise then an amendment could be passed to that effect and it would become the law of the land (whether that comports with natural law or not).
 
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Not seeing the virtue of a right does not necessitate that anything be done about it. This does not answer the question about the logic of accepting all or none.


Well then, if all you want to do is whine about what rights are guaranteed us by our constitution I guess you can, but we have a long line of those in here already.
 
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So, what now, an unarmed mob raids all the houses of gunowners? :lol:
 
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Well then, if all you want to do is whine about what rights are guaranteed us by our constitution I guess you can, but we have a long line of those in here already.
Then you can add my right to wine in with my right to own guns, for your list of things to wine about;)
 
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Then you can add my right to wine in with my right to own guns, for your list of things to wine about;)


This may help you out a bit...

 
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This may help you out a bit...

. You can also add my spelling to the list. I am only interested in communicating with those who are intelligent enough to figure out my meaning. The red herring is always a good sign of a weak argument.
 
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Over the weekend, a home on the map published by the Journal News was burglarized and the crooks went straight for the guns.

A White Plains residence pinpointed on a controversial handgun permit database was burglarized Saturday, and the burglars' target was the homeowner's gun safe.

At least two burglars broke into a home on Davis Avenue at 9:30 p.m. Saturday but were unsuccessful in an attempt to open the safe, which contained legally owned weapons, according to a law enforcement source. One suspect was taken into custody, the source said.

The gun owner was not home when the burglary occurred, the source said. The victim, who is in his 70s, told Newsday on Sunday that he did not want to comment while the police investigation continues.

At this point, the Journal News has refused to comment about the controversy of the their story. With the latest burglary, it's past time they did.....snip~

Home Published in Journal News Stunt Burglarized - Katie Pavlich
Jan 14, 2013 07:31 AM EST<<<<< More Here.
 
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They took it down.....even tho Coumo now knows who has guns in that area. As well as any what they are Classifying as Assault Weapons.
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New York newspaper takes down gun owner details from website.....

(Reuters) - A New York newspaper pulled the names and addresses of thousands of gun permit holders from its website on Friday, ending a fierce battle over the data published after the Connecticut elementary school massacre.

The Journal News, which serves suburbs just north of New York City in Westchester and Rockland counties, cited in part New York's new gun control law, which allows permit holders to request confidentiality, for its decision to take the data down.

Hasson said the decision to remove the information was not a concession to critics who questioned the value of posting it or a response to the threats to staff, and that the newspaper would "continue to report aggressively on gun ownership."

She said the newspaper does not endorse the state legislature's decision to limit public access to the permit data, "But we are not deaf to voices who have said that new rules should be set for gun permit data."

New York newspaper takes down gun owner details from website - Yahoo! News
 
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