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Condoms for free at 22 city schools

Maenad said:
And 'feeling the pain' is spread amongst every tax paying American. That is the part you don't get.
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Already covered that..

You mean in what way is the government spending less to cover up the mistakes of people.
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Ray410 said:
"The dispensers will be placed in the 22 high schools whose students had the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases............."

What a bunch of worthless losers.
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The myopia of the right. Rather hilarious.
 
Maenad said:
You are correct. Responsibility IS on the decline. However, insisting that people who have no intention of being responsible EVER is ludicrous. Maybe their children can learn if someone helps them, and that will NOT be their parents if what I have seen in community health is any indication. And I believe it is.
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You need to start letting the ones who aren't responsible suffer. You admit responsibility is on the decline. Covering their irresponsibility is not the way to turn things around.
 
Lots of parents don't talk to their kids about sex at all. A lot of kids learn about sex from their friends. It's not necessarily that the parents are "bad" parents. A lot of times the parents are from another generation where such things were NOT discussed, especially with children. They feel uncomfortable talking about sex.
 
Mathematician said:
You need to start letting the ones who aren't responsible suffer. You admit responsibility is on the decline. Covering their irresponsibility is not the way to turn things around.
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We ALL suffer. That's the point that keeps going right over your head. We ALL pay.
 
You mean in what way is the government spending less to cover up the mistakes of people.
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Henrin said:
Already covered that..
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Prevention =/= covering up. Prevention = taking the bull by the horns and dealing with it. Prevention has virtually wiped out smallpox, diptheria, polio, etc. etc. etc. Those things were not wiped out through education telling us to stay away from infected people. Remember 'typhoid Mary'???
 
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Mathematician said:
I care less about whether they're perfect and more about whether you expect me to pay for their choices and actions.
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Damn dude!!! You will pay MORE for the unwanted pregnancies and abortions than you ever will for condoms! Good LORD, this is frustrating.
 
Mathematician said:
You need to start letting the ones who aren't responsible suffer. You admit responsibility is on the decline. Covering their irresponsibility is not the way to turn things around.
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They don't suffer. They just get more money.
 
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SheWolf said:
You want parents to raise their children based on your morals. If a child isn't pregnant, then why are concerned with how the individual chooses to avoid pregnancy and how the parent raises them?
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It's not simply the idea of following my morals. How many times do I have to say "I shouldn't have to pay for your stupid decisions"?
 
Mathematician said:
I care less about whether they're perfect and more about whether you expect me to pay for their choices and actions.
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You will pay MORE for them to have an abortion or a baby than for condoms. Please tell me what you don't understand about this statement. If a condom program worked, it would save us money and save babies from being aborted too.
 
Maenad said:
Well that can't be done. And if he spent one day in the trenches of America he would understand why.
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Excuse me, but I wasn't raised with a golden diaper. My mother had me two months after finishing high school, she was kicked out of the house by my grandfather, and I spent part of my childhood in the ghetto of Baltimore.
 
Mathematician said:
It's not simply the idea of following my morals. How many times do I have to say "I shouldn't have to pay for your stupid decisions"?
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So basically, you would rather your tax dollars go for welfare for teen moms and abortions than condoms? You are not making any sense.
 
Maenad said:
And 'feeling the pain' is spread amongst every tax paying American. That is the part you don't get.
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That's where we disagree strongly. Life is about accepting the rewards and consequences for your actions.
 
ChrisL said:
So basically, you would rather your tax dollars go for welfare for teen moms and abortions than condoms? You are not making any sense.
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I'd rather set up a system where the teen parents who can't support their unplanned birth can drop out of school for the time being and work a minimum wage job to pay for the needs of that child. Those who make stupid choices should be the ones to suffer.
 
Mathematician said:
That's where we disagree strongly. Life is about accepting the rewards and consequences for your actions.
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When a teenager gets pregnant and has no job or income, most of the time she ends up on welfare. This is where a chunk of your taxpayer dollars go . . . to pay for this teen's pregnancy and then when she has the child, a chunk of your tax money will be spent raising this child through the welfare system, this includes early child development and care, medical bills, food, shelter, clothing, medicine, and anything else that child needs. If the child is special needs, your tax dollars pay for any specialty care this child needs.

So your argument is that you would rather your tax payer dollars go for the above instead of towards a few dozen condom dispensers? REALLY? That is just silly, and I think you are just being stubborn.
 
Mathematician said:
I'd rather set up a system where the teen parents who can't support their unplanned birth can drop out of school for the time being and work a minimum wage job to pay for the needs of that child. Those who make stupid choices should be the ones to suffer.
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A teen getting pregnant in some circles in America is not considered 'suffering' nor is it a 'consequence.' It is a planned life event so the mom will get subsidized housing, food stamps, welfare, and never have to work a day in her life. Up there in your ivory tower you are bit out of touch.
 
Mathematician said:
I'd rather set up a system where the teen parents who can't support their unplanned birth can drop out of school for the time being and work a minimum wage job to pay for the needs of that child. Those who make stupid choices should be the ones to suffer.
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Well, that is NOT how it works. Teens cannot get a job that would make them enough money to care for themselves never mind themselves and a child.
 
Mathematician said:
I'd rather set up a system where the teen parents who can't support their unplanned birth can drop out of school for the time being and work a minimum wage job to pay for the needs of that child. Those who make stupid choices should be the ones to suffer.
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Why not instead of them dropping out have a system where they could do the work at home. Not sure how that would work exactly, but its better than them just dropping out.
 
ChrisL said:
When a teenager gets pregnant and has no job or income, most of the time she ends up on welfare. This is where a chunk of your taxpayer dollars go . . . to pay for this teen's pregnancy and then when she has the child, a chunk of your tax money will be spent raising this child through the welfare system, this includes early child development and care, medical bills, food, shelter, clothing, medicine, and anything else that child needs. If the child is special needs, your tax dollars pay for any specialty care this child needs.

So your argument is that you would rather your tax payer dollars go for the above instead of towards a few dozen condom dispensers? REALLY? That is just silly, and I think you are just being stubborn.
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There are those who deal with reality and those who deal with theory. You can't get someone who is working entirely from theory to ever see reality. They believe in their theory. The can't see all the holes in it. God knows Freud, whose theories have all been discredited, didn't see reality. He saw only his own culture in his own time frame. That is the kind of thinking you are trying to reason with.
 
Henrin said:
Why not instead of them dropping out have a system where they could do the work at home. Not sure how that would work exactly, but its better than them just dropping out.
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If the are a baby mamma getting a check, they won't work at home. Girls are no longer expelled from school for being pregnant, and haven't been since the 50s.
 
lpast said:
It just isnt fair I tell ya...we had to pay a quarter in some sleezy bathroom for our condoms when I was a teen and for a quarter I could go to the movies on saturday.

Coming over the holiday break to about a third of Philadelphia high schools: clear plastic dispensers chock-full of free condoms.


The dispensers will be placed in the 22 high schools whose students had the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases, and condoms will be available to any student - so long as their parents did not sign a form opting them out of the program.



Condoms for free at 22 city schools
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ya mean you didn't have somebody else pay for your condoms when you were young either?

I remember those days of abject hardship..spending hard earned coin to procure condoms... twas certainly an affront to our rights... we should have filed civil rights suits... were we not so special as to require other people pay for our **** then too?
 
Thrilla said:
ya mean you didn't have somebody else pay for your condoms when you were young either?

I remember those days of abject hardship..spending hard earned coin to procure condoms... twas certainly an affront to our rights... we should have filed civil rights suits... were we not so special as to require other people pay for our **** then too?
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TIMES. They are a changing.
 
Mathematician said:
I'd rather set up a system where the teen parents who can't support their unplanned birth can drop out of school for the time being and work a minimum wage job to pay for the needs of that child. Those who make stupid choices should be the ones to suffer.
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Or you give them rubbers for free and that scenario goes out the window...
 
Fruityfact said:
Or you give them rubbers for free and that scenario goes out the window...
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Why stop there? Heck, subsidize a hotel room so that they can procreate like rabbits at 12 and 13 yrs old, and without the consent of their parents, because hey, screwing in the back seat of some 15 year old car is unfair.
 
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