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Condoms for free at 22 city schools

Risky Thicket said:
No, that is incorrect. Abstinence is not a natural act. More than that diseases and pregnancies will be everyone's problem. The cost will be shared. Do the math!
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"Do the math"? What in the heck do you think a mathematician did? Until there exists birth control that is 100% effective, abstinence is the only solution to guarantee kids aren't having kids. You say abstinence isn't natural. However, if someone can analyze cause/effect or risk/reward worth a crap then they should realize that several years of screwing as a teenager isn't worth risking the damage to your adulthood. The more you justify taking such risks by saying "it's natural", the more careless and irresponsible you teach the next generation to be.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Bingo! Unfortunately though, there will always be an element of people in America who believe sex is the root of all evil. Sex=bad. Bloomberg won't let you buy a big Coke in NYC. Sex is the culprit. The massacre of children by a 20 year old on SRRIs? Sex, we have heard from TV preachers, is the reason why it happened. America no longer manufactures anything and somewhere some of the same people will claim it is because of sex.

Sex, sex, sex. It's evil, horrible, bad.


If God wanted us to walk around nude, we'd have all been born naked. :eek:
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Quit trying to bend our argument into some other BS. Nobody said sex is bad. What's bad is telling kids who aren't well prepared for adulthood to go ahead and risk their future screwing. Expectation of reposibility is the fundamental reason we have age limits for driving, purchasing alcohol, etc.
 
Mathematician said:
What's bad is telling kids who aren't well prepared for adulthood to go ahead and risk their future screwing.
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Who's telling teens to screw...they will regardless-providing condoms will just prevent some of the "nuisances" like spread of disease, babies, ruined futures, maybe even a "DREADFUL" abortion or two. ALL of which cost MONEY-much more than rubbers I should add
 
lpast said:
It just isnt fair I tell ya...we had to pay a quarter in some sleezy bathroom for our condoms when I was a teen and for a quarter I could go to the movies on saturday.

Coming over the holiday break to about a third of Philadelphia high schools: clear plastic dispensers chock-full of free condoms.


The dispensers will be placed in the 22 high schools whose students had the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases, and condoms will be available to any student - so long as their parents did not sign a form opting them out of the program.



Condoms for free at 22 city schools
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I'm pro choice, but anything that lessens the number of abortions is a good thing. Eventually they won't be wasted anymore then toilet paper or paper towels. Many people treat sex as little more as a bowel movement anyway..... sad.
 
Henrin said:
No, I'm saying if the mom needs the money from more work hours it would work to her advantage if she was able to do the school work at home. We already have Internet classes so it seems workable to me.
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School work isn't the agenda.
 
j-mac said:
I'd like to know when the oh so open minded liberals will cancel football programs, or band programs in favor of a '50 shades of grey' class for 10th graders.
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I am not a liberal. I am a nurse who has worked in public health for 23 years. You all clearly don't understand the other side of the tracks because you have never been to the other side of the tracks.
 
ReformCollege said:
No, instead we can justify cutting spending on welfare, etc. because we already provided them with an alternative. If they choose not to use it, its no longer anyone else's problem. But, it is our problem if they don't have access or aren't educated on the issue.
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My experience is that deficiencies in one area are absorbed in another. Crack head mother spends her welfare and food stamps on crack. School feedls kids.
 
Fruityfact said:
Who's telling teens to screw...
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I don't believe that young people need someone telling them implicitly, but we as adults are supposed to have the wisdom of life behind us, and if we turn a blind eye, and facilitate the action through providing the devices in a school setting then we are not only shirking our moral responsibility to teach young people how that would affect their lives, but are also giving tacit permission to commit the act.

The cost of condoms at any outlet that sells them is less than a dollar per condom. I don't think from what I know of teens that a dollar is their issue.
 
Mathematician said:
Quit trying to bend our argument into some other BS. Nobody said sex is bad. What's bad is telling kids who aren't well prepared for adulthood to go ahead and risk their future screwing. Expectation of reposibility is the fundamental reason we have age limits for driving, purchasing alcohol, etc.
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Your children are free to abstain.
 
j-mac said:
I don't believe that young people need someone telling them implicitly, but we as adults are supposed to have the wisdom of life behind us, and if we turn a blind eye, and facilitate the action through providing the devices in a school setting then we are not only shirking our moral responsibility to teach young people how that would affect their lives, but are also giving tacit permission to commit the act.

The cost of condoms at any outlet that sells them is less than a dollar per condom. I don't think from what I know of teens that a dollar is their issue.
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Nobody said to turn a blind eye. It's that some kids are going to choose to NOT be abstinent. Do you actually believe that if you tell high schoolers, as their parent, to not have sex that they are not going to anyway if they want to? Oh, mommy and daddy said not to. LOL!

Come on, don't be naive. Abstinence is not going to work for every kid.
 
Maenad said:
My experience is that deficiencies in one area are absorbed in another. Crack head mother spends her welfare and food stamps on crack. School feedls kids.[/QUOTE0]

This happens. I had an employee who's wife would buy her nephew's food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar. Knowing her nephew would use the money to buy his weed. F'd up world, huh? I wasn't too sad when I let the employee go several months ago.
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Viktyr Gehrig said:
Seems to me that distributing free condoms helps prevent the recipients from receiving a lifetime of welfare.
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So distributing free condoms helps prevent recipients from receiving a lifetime of welfare? :lamo:lamo

And to think of all the people here who agree with that statement. Absurdity at its finest. But what else would one expect from the left?

It's more like distributing free handouts provides a lifetime sentiment of entitlement.
 
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Maenad said:
School work isn't the agenda.
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True.

I just think its a good solution to the teen mother/stay in school problem. She can get more work hours that she needs while still getting an education.
 
j-mac said:
I don't believe that young people need someone telling them implicitly, but we as adults are supposed to have the wisdom of life behind us, and if we turn a blind eye, and facilitate the action through providing the devices in a school setting then we are not only shirking our moral responsibility to teach young people how that would affect their lives, but are also giving tacit permission to commit the act.

The cost of condoms at any outlet that sells them is less than a dollar per condom. I don't think from what I know of teens that a dollar is their issue.
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I was implicitly stating that putting condoms in school isn't facilitating or pushing kids to have sex..thats nature
 
Henrin said:
True.

I just think its a good solution to the teen mother/stay in school problem. She can get more work hours that she needs while still getting an education.
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That is a good idea. However, kids this age have minds of their OWN. This would be up to the teen mother, and obviously they don't make very good choices to begin with. And who will take care of the baby while this mom is in school and/or working like some have suggested. Do any of you know how EXPENSIVE daycare is?

THAT is one reason why these girls collect welfare instead of work. Work just doesn't pay when they have to pay for daycare, costing probably between 150-200 dollars per week for full-time daycare. Of course, through welfare, these girls can get daycare vouchers if they go to school or work, but a lot of them just don't do it.
 
Fruityfact said:
I was implicitly stating that putting condoms in school isn't facilitating or pushing kids to have sex..thats nature
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I agree. Condoms won't make them have any more sex. The kids that would use them are probably already sexually active.
 
Mathematician said:
...and you're free to willingly donate to the condom funds of other people's kids.
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You mean like I unwillingly donate to the financial support of their children and free treatment of their social diseases? Gee, what a bargain! I might get to keep $10K of the $40K I currently pay in taxes!
 
Maenad said:
Your children are free to abstain.
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Why should they if tax payer contributions fund their sexcapades? Why not just have sex become an alternative course to PE. You could call it intercourse. They're both good exercise.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1061284955 said:
Why should they if tax payer contributions fund their sexcapades? Why not just have sex become an alternative course to PE. You could call it intercourse. They're both good exercise opportunities.
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What makes you think it isn't already?
 
j-mac said:
Well, that would be silly. Maybe if this is what we are faced with we need to as parents, and as I did with my own children talk about how having a child before they were established in their lives was a really selfish act, and would harm not only their long term progression in life, but how it wasn't fair to the child.
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Hopefully, we all do/did try to teach our children well. My parents tried to teach us. Of course I didn't listen, and I enjoyed every minute of it. :2razz: For reasons I cannot understand, I was about as lucky as one man could be. At least I think I was. I haven't been back to Rock Hill, York, Spartanburg or Ocean Drive in years. There might be people over there trying to find me.

We need to get back to values in this country, and I am not talking about the off the wall tv preacher values either, but the wisdom of those of us who have experienced life rather than throwing up our hands and proclaiming that it is beyond our control.
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I hear you, but I am also afraid the genie is out of the bottle for the time being. The pendulum will swing back the other way, but probably not in our lifetimes.

Not horrible at all, but it can be a choice with consequences that have long term ramifications that immature minds are not ready for.
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I could not agree more. With puberty now starting at 10 or so for some kids, young and stupid has an entirely different meaning. I don't think I even knew about sex when I was 10. No one wants to raise a baby who is raising a baby. That is a reality parents of children face these days. That's one reason I think the free condoms are a good idea.

And if God wanted children to procreate outside of marriage, and at levels of immaturity to not be able to care for the life they create he wouldn't have placed so much emphasis on the act being specific for the purpose of building a family. Think about it, was God really saying 'allow your children to have sex, and reproduce because it's fun'?
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Well, it is fun. But I've always been more partial to practicing than actually reproducing.

Times are different and my kids are grown. All in all I preferred being young in the world I grew up in. It probably isn't as much fun being a kid these days.


:eek:t Go Dawgs!
 
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