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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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There's a gun show loophole on age restrictions? I don't think there is...is there?

of course not-by now you know that the anti gun advocates are complete and total liars
 
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There's a gun show loophole on age restrictions? I don't think there is...is there?

It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.
 
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It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.

Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers
 
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Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers

Which is how many gun show dealers skirt the backround check law. They call their sale a private one and don't need to do any paperwork. I remember how nervous a 'private' seller got when I asked for a bill of sale. proof of sale seemed to be the bane of his business where everyplace else I have done business and the other gunshow booths gladly gave receipts for non firearm purchases.
 
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Which is how many gun show dealers skirt the backround check law. They call their sale a private one and don't need to do any paperwork. I remember how nervous a 'private' seller got when I asked for a bill of sale. proof of sale seemed to be the bane of his business where everyplace else I have done business and the other gunshow booths gladly gave receipts for non firearm purchases.


You are absolutely right-some dealers do that. and they get prosecuted for that. seen it dozens of times. and here is another way to get busted

you set up at a gun show and claim you are selling your own collection

billy comes by with a nice colt and you say how much-and he says 500 and you say deal and pay him

you then put that pistol on your table


SAC Pete T of the ATF comes up and says how much for the colt and you say 600

guess what you just got nailed for being a dealer.

and I have seen 5 people get nailed for that. now the shows I attend now require anyone renting a table at the show conduct background checks. meaning private sellers have to pay a dealer to do it which means you don't see any more private sellers renting tables. They carry around a couple guns with signs saying FOR SALE. they don't do it in the parking lot with much regularity because the security prevents that
 
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You are absolutely right-some dealers do that. and they get prosecuted for that. seen it dozens of times. and here is another way to get busted

you set up at a gun show and claim you are selling your own collection

billy comes by with a nice colt and you say how much-and he says 500 and you say deal and pay him

you then put that pistol on your table


SAC Pete T of the ATF comes up and says how much for the colt and you say 600

guess what you just got nailed for being a dealer.

and I have seen 5 people get nailed for that. now the shows I attend now require anyone renting a table at the show conduct background checks. meaning private sellers have to pay a dealer to do it which means you don't see any more private sellers renting tables. They carry around a couple guns with signs saying FOR SALE. they don't do it in the parking lot with much regularity because the security prevents that

That does require an ATF agent being at the gunshow, good job if they do hit shows that often and can prove bad purchases and arrest those who doing them!

Requiring backround checks is what many people want as law not just some shows agreeing to do so. Closing the loophole is a correct step.
 
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It is the same loophole as making sure the purchaser isn't a felon. There is no proof the seller checked anything about the purchaser. A form where the seller at least records the basic information to show at least some checking was done.

How so? The seller sold the guns to a person of legal age. How is that a "loophole"?

The seller isn't responsible for what the buyer does with the guns post purchase.
 
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a throwaway bit of psychobabble

why is it that the only people making posts like yours are "very liberal" progressive socialist or clearly loony left?

Its because you think pushing gun bans will punish people who oppose your politics and your agenda

Yes you called me a socialist Turtle among other things so stop lying!
 
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Yes you called me a socialist Turtle among other things so stop lying!

It's kinda hard to bitch about it after you called us, "teabaggers".
 
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Until 1993 no one conducted a background check

when it was discussed, congress refused to extend the new background requirements to private sellers


I don't think the private sellers are going to be so lucky this time:

[h=1]Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform[/h]"More than three-quarters of states have no laws requiring background checks or documentation during private party sales, increasing the risk of weapons falling into the hands of convicted felons, juveniles or those who are mentally ill. As lawmakers in Washington examine gun control measures in the wake of last week's school massacre in Connecticut, many advocates and researchers are pushing to extend federal regulations requiring background checks and registrations to private gun sales.
"Fixing this would be one of the single most important things we could do to address overall gun violence," said David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "A lot of people don't understand that this is the way the world works. It means that people who everybody agrees shouldn't get guns have little trouble getting guns."
Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform
 
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I don't think the private sellers are going to be so lucky this time:

[h=1]Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform[/h]"More than three-quarters of states have no laws requiring background checks or documentation during private party sales, increasing the risk of weapons falling into the hands of convicted felons, juveniles or those who are mentally ill. As lawmakers in Washington examine gun control measures in the wake of last week's school massacre in Connecticut, many advocates and researchers are pushing to extend federal regulations requiring background checks and registrations to private gun sales.
"Fixing this would be one of the single most important things we could do to address overall gun violence," said David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "A lot of people don't understand that this is the way the world works. It means that people who everybody agrees shouldn't get guns have little trouble getting guns."
Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform

So, what's this going to do?
 
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I don't think the private sellers are going to be so lucky this time:

[h=1]Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform[/h]"More than three-quarters of states have no laws requiring background checks or documentation during private party sales, increasing the risk of weapons falling into the hands of convicted felons, juveniles or those who are mentally ill. As lawmakers in Washington examine gun control measures in the wake of last week's school massacre in Connecticut, many advocates and researchers are pushing to extend federal regulations requiring background checks and registrations to private gun sales.
"Fixing this would be one of the single most important things we could do to address overall gun violence," said David Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "A lot of people don't understand that this is the way the world works. It means that people who everybody agrees shouldn't get guns have little trouble getting guns."
Private Gun Sale Loophole Creates Invisible Firearms Market, Prompts Calls For Reform

yeah its going to be just as effective as banning 'private sales' of narcotics.
 
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So, what's this going to do?

be ignored by most of the people who are a problem right now

and then the hysterics will claim we need complete gun registration and un-announced inspections of what you own to prevent people from selling stuff they have owned for years to other people
 
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be ignored by most of the people who are a problem right now

and then the hysterics will claim we need complete gun registration and un-announced inspections of what you own to prevent people from selling stuff they have owned for years to other people

The anti-gunners want nothing less than to make gun ownership too expensive for the common folk.
 
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So, what's this going to do?

Its going to make it a little harder for criminals and crazies to buy guns.
 
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yeah its going to be just as effective as banning 'private sales' of narcotics.

We'll see. There is nothing to lose by trying!
 
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Its going to make it a little harder for criminals and crazies to buy guns.

That's what we've heard about all these other laws that have been passed: background checks, gun-free zones, etc.

How well has that worked out? Have we had more, or fewer mass shootings since the inaction of these laws?
 
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We'll see. There is nothing to lose by trying!

that would be like some bible thumper saying we ought to try getting rid of aids by banning gay sex

to them there is nothing to lose by trying

Of course to someone like you, constitutional rights mean nothing when those rights are ones that conservatives advocate.

I guess the next time you engage in one of your "look at me" protests I should tell the police to open fire=it might stop a riot and again I lose nothing for them trying to do that
 
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Except our rights, but screw that. Huh?

How? Responsible gun owners will still be able to purchase guns.
 
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Except our rights, but screw that. Huh?

haven't you figured at that is the entire purpose of Catawba's factually devoid rants-he doesn't care about crime-indeed many criminals have a mindset that the far left identifies with-his entire goal is to harass law abiding gun owners because MANY of us don't agree with his welfare-socialist peacenik hate america agenda
 
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How? Responsible gun owners will still be able to purchase guns.

that's as stupid as saying a ban on the Jewish Faith is no big deal-Jews could always become Episcopalians or attend a Unitarian service
 
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The anti-gunners want nothing less than to make gun ownership too expensive for the common folk.

That sounds oddly like the Jolly old England, prior to the English declaration of rights.;)
God forbid we go back to the good old days.
 
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That's what we've heard about all these other laws that have been passed: background checks, gun-free zones, etc.

How well has that worked out? Have we had more, or fewer mass shootings since the inaction of these laws?

We won't know until we require background checks and waiting period in every state. Currently, 3/4 of the states do not require background checks at private gun sales.
 
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