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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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Crosscheck said:
I with you part way. I want only trained guard/policeman with a gun in the school. Am happy if this is what the NRA is proposing.
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Proposing? For response to an Active Shooter Scenario, I would rather demand that the individual be trained, with an annual re-certification requirement.

We have armed policemen in our high school nows so adding them to the elementary school doesn't seem far fetched. Having a policeman in the school also allows children to see LEO in a more friendlier way as opposed to the guy flipping his lights on after dad or mom run the speed limit.
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Another excellent point.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
Yeah, PUSH those profits by forcing the government to use MORE tax payer dollars to buy our guns. We already spend MORE in Homeland Security to arm the police than we have been in defense to arm the military.
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That is an absolute crock. The military gets almost half the GDP then add in discretionary spending and they do get half the GDP.

Post some proof of this magic spending.
 
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Crosscheck said:
I with you part way. I want only trained guard/policeman with a gun in the school. Am happy if this is what the NRA is proposing. Am not happy with that "armed society is a polite society" because we have so many morons in this society that shouldn't be in a ten foot radius of a gun. Like it or not the more guns the more chance for an accident.

We have armed policemen in our high school nows so adding them to the elementary school doesn't seem far fetched. Having a policeman in the school also allows children to see LEO in a more friendlier way as opposed to the guy flipping his lights on after dad or mom run the speed limit.
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There was an armed police officer in my kids' middle school ten years ago. I think his title was "resources liason" or something, and part of the point was to allow the kids to see cops in a friendlier way. It's been a successful idea in my community's schools, and there is no reason not to expand it to all schools. It's elementary-schoolers, for example, who are most at risk of parental kidnapping, and they occasionally bring very "interesting" objects to show-and-tell too.
 
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nota bene said:
There was an armed police officer in my kids' middle school ten years ago. I think his title was "resources liason" or something, and part of the point was to allow the kids to see cops in a friendlier way. It's been a successful idea in my community's schools, and there is no reason not to expand it to all schools. It's elementary-schoolers, for example, who are most at risk of parental kidnapping, and they occasionally bring very "interesting" objects to show-and-tell too.
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The only thing police or security guards are going to do at most schools is check for drugs. We saw in california when 2 psychos with assault rifles attacked a bank the police and security guards are outgunned by these weapons. The police who far outnumbered the two shooters were pinned down for something like 45 minutes. Their pistols were ineffective, and even the swat guys wouldn't go in until they were able to formulate a plan. Yet the NRA wants us to put a security guard there and hope that deters a person who is pretty much resigned to dying? Even cops end up running from assault rifles because they have something to live for. This is not to mention these guns are accurate at long distances and one could easily just snipe the people at the door to start their rampage. Even with a concealed handgun it is easy to take out at least three flat footed guards before they even get their gun out to respond with a poorly aimed shaky first shot.

the NRA has made a stupid suggestion that won't do a thing but sell more guns. Plus i have seen these supposedly well trained cops in action and the only place that is safe when most of them are terrified enough to use their weapons is to be the shooter. That is if they put cops there, mall security guards are more likely to shoot themselves than a criminal. The NRA should have just kept silent instead of offering up this crazy bit of BS. Do we really want armed guards and guns around our elementary school children? next thing you know we will have some crazy guard killing a student because he went for his skittles.

It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
 
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So, the only solution we hear from the Libbos is to curb our constitutional rights.

Awesome!
 
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tererun said:
The only thing police or security guards are going to do at most schools is check for drugs. We saw in california when 2 psychos with assault rifles attacked a bank the police and security guards are outgunned by these weapons. The police who far outnumbered the two shooters were pinned down for something like 45 minutes. Their pistols were ineffective, and even the swat guys wouldn't go in until they were able to formulate a plan. Yet the NRA wants us to put a security guard there and hope that deters a person who is pretty much resigned to dying? Even cops end up running from assault rifles because they have something to live for. This is not to mention these guns are accurate at long distances and one could easily just snipe the people at the door to start their rampage. Even with a concealed handgun it is easy to take out at least three flat footed guards before they even get their gun out to respond with a poorly aimed shaky first shot.

the NRA has made a stupid suggestion that won't do a thing but sell more guns. Plus i have seen these supposedly well trained cops in action and the only place that is safe when most of them are terrified enough to use their weapons is to be the shooter. That is if they put cops there, mall security guards are more likely to shoot themselves than a criminal. The NRA should have just kept silent instead of offering up this crazy bit of BS. Do we really want armed guards and guns around our elementary school children? next thing you know we will have some crazy guard killing a student because he went for his skittles.

It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
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Those two gunmen were already in illegal pocession of those automatic weapons. So, at the end of the day, what good did passing a law do?
 
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apdst said:
Those two gunmen were already in illegal pocession of those automatic weapons. So, at the end of the day, what good did passing a law do?
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I will tell you when you tell me what good a mall cop or police are going to do as per the NRAs plan. If you cannot be bothered with keeping up with the conversation than don't get into it. this is a deliberate attempt to derail and avoid answering the simple idea i posed. If you want to argue that point you just made take it to a thread for it. this thread is for debating the absolutely stupid and ineffective idea that the NRA proposed which has only one purpose and that is to sell more guns, and not solve the problem because gun sales go up when these things happen, and dead kids makes sales for their contributors.
 
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apdst said:
So, the only solution we hear from the Libbos is to curb our constitutional rights.

Awesome!
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the only solution we hear from the right is to increase gun sales despite that only adding to the problem. Please, either get to some solutions or go take your one line rhetoric to faux news. perhaps they will buy your pointless and baseless argument. You did not even make your point well, but what can be expected from a message on a complicated matter that is less than the size of a twiter comment.
 
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tererun said:
the only solution we hear from the right is to increase gun sales despite that only adding to the problem. Please, either get to some solutions or go take your one line rhetoric to faux news. perhaps they will buy your pointless and baseless argument. You did not even make your point well, but what can be expected from a message on a complicated matter that is less than the size of a twiter comment.
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Any proof increased gun sales adds to the problem?

Correlation does not equal causation.

Just because there are more guns, and there is an increased violent crime problem..... does NOT mean that the guns are the cause of the problem.
 
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Thrilla said:
would you have a problem with police officers in those positions?
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Nope. Should not be needed at all.. it is a school after all, but if the violence is so bad that schools required heavily armed guard personnel then rather a off duty cop, than a questionable military vet that has not been properly vetted before he or she got the job and might be as "crazy" as a potential shooter. It is in no way an attack against people who served btw, just a sad fact of military service... and one that is not nearly enough talked about even today. PST is real, and a major problem.

And you know as well as I do, that the vetting of these former military personnel will be bad or non existent as it will be pushed over to the private sector who would most likely get paid per armed guard hired and hence be incentivised to let "questionable" personnel in for profit.. and dont tell me that is not what usually happens....

At least with cops there is considerable vetting and psych evaluations.

But at the end of the day... armed guards at schools should not be necessary in a modern society... this aint the freaking wild west.
 
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tererun said:
I will tell you when you tell me what good a mall cop or police are going to do as per the NRAs plan. If you cannot be bothered with keeping up with the conversation than don't get into it. this is a deliberate attempt to derail and avoid answering the simple idea i posed. If you want to argue that point you just made take it to a thread for it. this thread is for debating the absolutely stupid and ineffective idea that the NRA proposed which has only one purpose and that is to sell more guns, and not solve the problem because gun sales go up when these things happen, and dead kids makes sales for their contributors.
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You used an event to prove that we need more restrictive gun laws to prevent gun crimes. I pointed out that laws are already in place making it illegal for those two shooters to posess those weapons.

It's not my problem that your argument doesn't hold water.
 
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tererun said:
the only solution we hear from the right is to increase gun sales despite that only adding to the problem. Please, either get to some solutions or go take your one line rhetoric to faux news. perhaps they will buy your pointless and baseless argument. You did not even make your point well. , but what can be expected from a message on a complicated matter that is less than the size of a twiter comment.
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Crazy people commit these acts. Guns don't make people crazy.

The Columbine shooting happened AFTER the assault rifle ban. Obviously the laws are useless.

Instead of "gun free zones" they should be called "target rich environments".
 
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poweRob said:
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He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.
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It is interesting to read that the price of protecting children by putting an armed officer in each school is too high? Since when did this happen? The left uses "for the children" at every turn... except this!

Look at the ridiculous arguments (like that above) for not protecting kids from deranged lunatics. Such deep thinking.

We have spent trillions upon trillions for Socialist adventures that have bankrupted our nation and made matters worse, but when it comes to:

1. Protecting our borders.

2. Having a strong military...

3. ...and now protecting kids in schools from deranged lunatics who do feed off the media and culture that's be spawned during the last decades... they come off like a certain Rev. Wright... namely...

'No, no, no..."

LaPierre nailed it on each and every issue.
 
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zimmer said:
It is interesting to read that the price of protecting children by putting an armed officer in each school is too high? Since when did this happen? The left uses "for the children" at every turn... except this!

Look at the ridiculous arguments (like that above) for not protecting kids from deranged lunatics. Such deep thinking.

We have spent trillions upon trillions for Socialist adventures that have bankrupted our nation and made matters worse, but when it comes to:

1. Protecting our borders.

2. Having a strong military...

3. ...and now protecting kids in schools from deranged lunatics who do feed off the media and culture that's be spawned during the last decades... they come off like a certain Rev. Wright... namely...

'No, no, no..."

LaPierre nailed it on each and every issue.
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If we cannot protect the fruit of our nation it is time to bring all troops home. The fruit of our nation is more important than preemptive wars against non-armies.
 
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We are saddled with a government that cannot protect it's citizens from violent crime and decay
spawned by a flood of illegal immigrants. Take a pinch of foreign aid and put police in our schools.
Then work to hand the anti-gunners a crushing defeat.
 
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zimmer said:
It is interesting to read that the price of protecting children by putting an armed officer in each school is too high? Since when did this happen? The left uses "for the children" at every turn... except this!

Look at the ridiculous arguments (like that above) for not protecting kids from deranged lunatics. Such deep thinking.

We have spent trillions upon trillions for Socialist adventures that have bankrupted our nation and made matters worse, but when it comes to:

1. Protecting our borders.

2. Having a strong military...

3. ...and now protecting kids in schools from deranged lunatics who do feed off the media and culture that's be spawned during the last decades... they come off like a certain Rev. Wright... namely...

'No, no, no..."

LaPierre nailed it on each and every issue.
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Indeed he did. We have armed guards in our banks, credit unions, and Federal and State buildings in Austin. The San Antonio middle and high schools have armed security guards. As to the financing, get rid of some useless counselors and admin folks, like assistant superintendents. I'm sure there is some revenue there.
 
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tererun said:
The only thing police or security guards are going to do at most schools is check for drugs. We saw in california when 2 psychos with assault rifles attacked a bank the police and security guards are outgunned by these weapons. The police who far outnumbered the two shooters were pinned down for something like 45 minutes. Their pistols were ineffective, and even the swat guys wouldn't go in until they were able to formulate a plan. Yet the NRA wants us to put a security guard there and hope that deters a person who is pretty much resigned to dying? Even cops end up running from assault rifles because they have something to live for. This is not to mention these guns are accurate at long distances and one could easily just snipe the people at the door to start their rampage. Even with a concealed handgun it is easy to take out at least three flat footed guards before they even get their gun out to respond with a poorly aimed shaky first shot.

the NRA has made a stupid suggestion that won't do a thing but sell more guns. Plus i have seen these supposedly well trained cops in action and the only place that is safe when most of them are terrified enough to use their weapons is to be the shooter. That is if they put cops there, mall security guards are more likely to shoot themselves than a criminal. The NRA should have just kept silent instead of offering up this crazy bit of BS. Do we really want armed guards and guns around our elementary school children? next thing you know we will have some crazy guard killing a student because he went for his skittles.

It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
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We can never make schools 100% safe. If a group of mercenaries pulled up at an elementary school and came rushing in with guns blazing and tossing grenades, yes, the one armed school guard would provide weak opposition. BUT even if he could take one bad guy out or at least provide a speed bump then it may or may not save one young life. I know if I was in charge of protecting a 6 year old I would give my life in attempting to save him or her.

As to your one statement
It is much more effective to continue to develop lockdown procedures that will protect the kids until the crazed gunman gets bored and offs himself.
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if my grandson was in that school I do not want to wait until the shooter became " bored and offs himself".
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
The "A" in NRA represents "Association". As in dues-paying members. For whose interests the NRA acts. That's 5, btw.
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So gun comapnies that donate to the NRA are considered members? I am a little confused about this. The NRA used to be about it members and gun safty. Now it more of a mouth pieace for gun compnaies. Saying the NRA represents dues paying member to me is a little of a stretch. So where exactly does that 250 million a year go. Bottom line the NRA had a chance to do something big yesterday instead, they want to limit free speech and blame video games and movies. Now if guns dont kill people niether do video games or movies. Which is a stupid comaprison anyway. I was actually waiting on that idiot to start saying we need god back in school. God holding and assult weapon with an NRA logo in the bottom right hand corner. I do not think it a good idea to make schools look like prisons. They whole speech was stupid and made the NRA look like a bunch of asshats. We need real answers not a mad man pounding the desk. The NRA failed yesterday it failed its members and America!
 
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TaraAnne said:
We need real answers not a mad man pounding the desk. The NRA failed yesterday it failed its members and America!
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Real answers? Any suggestions?
 
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MaggieD said:
Fortunately, we don't need the NRA or anyone else to tell us that violence begets violence. Yes. Violence in video games desensitizes young uncooked minds. There is no question in my mind. Do all young people who play these games by the hour/day/week/year turn into killers? Of course not. Just as all people who have access to guns don't become mass murderers.

You forgot to mention one of the games: Kindergarten Killers. It's been around for ten year. Cute, huh?

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Or perhaps you'd like to play: Super Columbine Massacre?

Put these games together with movies like Hostel's I, II and III, sicko porn-violence movies of a similiar ilk available on our cable tv stations, and you've got an ample buffet on which sick minds can feed.

We are a sick society.
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The anti-gunners probably don't mind the existence of these games, probably play them in their basements.
 
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