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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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poweRob said:
NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."​

He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
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Leave it to the NRA to not do a damned thing, and to their fans to think it was a great idea. Armed guard are already in our ghetto schools, and they still have shootings. A mad gunman shot up a damned military base a few years back and OMG he got victims. So I don't think more people with guns is the solution to this problem as even prepared people with guns don't stop mad gunmen.
 
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tererun said:
Leave it to the NRA to not do a damned thing, and to their fans to think it was a great idea. Armed guard are already in our ghetto schools, and they still have shootings. A mad gunman shot up a damned military base a few years back and OMG he got victims. So I don't think more people with guns is the solution to this problem as even prepared people with guns don't stop mad gunmen.
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it sure makes more sense to tell people who already break capital murder laws that they will be in trouble for having a certain type of gun. the shooting at the military base involved victims who all were DISARMED

nice try but again the facts get in the way of your hate the NRA rant
 
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Zyphlin said:
Not my fault you're so far up your own ego on these type of topics that you don't bother to read the threads you're posting in let alone others. From a few posts up.



You're Catawba, just with a different color of body paint and a different team chant to bellow out while the two sides of the soccer hooligan type of clash go at it. Grab the nearest dead body and start wielding it like a club and make sure to keep pushing that political message...there's points to be scored. Your side can do not wrong, must be defended in all things at all times at all costs, and anything they do in error must not be pointed out because by god you can't attack your side. You may argue the positives of your side more intelligently, but you're just as slovenly beholden to pushing the party line and wearing blinders to your sides own issues while going out of your way to excuse and justify it.

The NRA is as shameful in this as the anti-gun folks, who I've largely had issues with and spoken my issues towards since this thing began. From the start I've been critical of the idiotic notion of focusing on guns or blaming guns for violence...and that same level and type of idiocy being applied to Video Games and Movies deserves the same type of scorn. For weeks we had people on this forum defending against the anti-gun folks, making arguments like blame the person not the weapon, or suggesting that some people are just evil and it has nothing to do with guns. Yet the NRA comes out and spends part of their "statement" ranting and raving about violent video games and movies as being to blame.....and not a peep, rather, lets all just clap along and applaud the NRA and go after those that dare to suggest their ****ty views are ALSO ****ty.
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Only thing I can think of is its some hair-brained way of delegitimizing the 2nd amendment people's voice by attaching something really, really stupid to that message. Give the mainstream news something to sink their teeth into and trumpet to the world.

I have a hard time believing anyone truly believes the video game/movie thingy. That's saying that the average person cant distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality.
 
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I thought this was a good response to the NRA statement today:

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dirtpoorchris said:
Only thing I can think of is its some hair-brained way of delegitimizing the 2nd amendment people's voice by attaching something really, really stupid to that message. Give the mainstream news something to sink their teeth into and trumpet to the world.
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What will be interesting is to see if the people on the left that were previously being critical of violent video games and even suggesting we do whatever it takes to stop their "non-stop violence" suddenly either go silent on that topic or completely shift gears now that the NRA is throwing scorn and blame upon it for violence that occurs.

You know, I'm not even a guy who gives much a **** about guns in my personal life but am largely pro-gun in general political. Had the NRA simply came out and largely defended the reason why gun control in response to this is idiotic, called for a focus on mental illness or parental involvement if they wanted to go on the offensive a bit, and basically express their sympathy for this situation I'd be having nothing negative to say what so ever and may've actually been applauding them. But when they attempted to get on some kind of moral soap box, proclaiming moral indignation over the notion the Media/politicans doesn't treat violent video games and movies in a similar fashion and suggesting that those things are actually more worthy of such coverage/action and scapegoating something else as part of the "Blame" for these kind of things, THAT'S what gets my goat and moves me out of a position where I can support them.

Not to mention the whole "armed guard" thing in and of itself is a rather idiotic notion, not to mention one essentially encouraging greater government spending and further federal mandates to the education system. And, of course, beyond that it's basically attempting to capitalize on this to respond by making a political argument that favors their specific political agenda....the type of thing NRA supporters were condemning the Democrats for doing regarding the tragedy.
 
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lizzie said:
Oh for God's sake. They would be there to protect them, not have "power over them."
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Does this forum have a :lol: limit?
 
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Zyphlin said:
What will be interesting is to see if the people on the left that were previously being critical of violent video games and even suggesting we do whatever it takes to stop their "non-stop violence" suddenly either go silent on that topic or completely shift gears now that the NRA is throwing scorn and blame upon it for violence that occurs.

You know, I'm not even a guy who gives much a **** about guns in my personal life but am largely pro-gun in general political. Had the NRA simply came out and largely defended the reason why gun control in response to this is idiotic, called for a focus on mental illness or parental involvement if they wanted to go on the offensive a bit, and basically express their sympathy for this situation I'd be having nothing negative to say what so ever and may've actually been applauding them. But when they attempted to get on some kind of moral soap box, proclaiming moral indignation over the notion the Media/politicans doesn't treat violent video games and movies in a similar fashion and suggesting that those things are actually more worthy of such coverage/action and scapegoating something else as part of the "Blame" for these kind of things, THAT'S what gets my goat and moves me out of a position where I can support them.

Not to mention the whole "armed guard" thing in and of itself is a rather idiotic notion, not to mention one essentially encouraging greater government spending and further federal mandates to the education system.
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Ah duh, Wayne la Pierre is not a Libertarian; he's conservative. Enroaching upon all other liberties except gun ownership is one of the fundamental goals of the GOP.
 
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solletica said:
Ah duh, Wayne la Pierre is not a Libertarian; he's conservative. Enroaching upon all other liberties except gun ownership is one of the fundamental goals of the GOP.
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another really stupid comment
 
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solletica said:
Ah duh, Wayne la Pierre is not a Libertarian; he's conservative. Enroaching upon all other liberties except gun ownership is one of the fundamental goals of the GOP.
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And thank you for this wonderfully ignorant stereotype based answer that is ignorant of the fact that I'M a conservative and part of the GOP
 
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Clinton Pledges Funds to Add Police to Schools - Los Angeles Times

Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.
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Zyphlin said:
Please, explain to me how politics "Forced" the NRA to respond.

I'm all ears.
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"Compelled" is a synonym for "forced". Does that make it easier ?

The NRA are the American gun owners. Our voice. That we pay for. The defenders of Amendment #2, as written and intended. Why do you get all wrapped around the axle on some petty and inconsequential word choice ? Why the confusion over something simple ?
 
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Zyphlin said:
And thank you for this wonderfully ignorant stereotype based answer that is ignorant of the fact that I'M a conservative and part of the GOP
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Ah yes, being part of the GOP. . .

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We can see why the RKBA is so important to Republicans :rolleyes:
 
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Thrilla said:
my oh my.... Clinton and NRA agree on policy...

Liberal Democrat heads explode in confusion....
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meh... Clinton was wrong quite a bit IMO.
 
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TurtleDude said:
another really stupid comment
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What's stupid is how us freedom-loving Libertarians keep letting the right wing bureaucraps stick their interventionist, militaristic, bedroom-policing hands in our pockets all the while stating that they're "pro-freedom" simply because they happen to support gun ownership.

Maybe it's time to use our guns to defend our pockets :)
 
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TurtleDude said:
it sure makes more sense to tell people who already break capital murder laws that they will be in trouble for having a certain type of gun.
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Oh so we should not have any laws. That is pretty much the premise of every damned law we have. Please, stop withe really bad logic. I said that the response from the NRA was pointless. Armed guards don't stop gunmen. It did not stop it for the military, and it does not stop shootings in bad neighborhoods. not to mention the idea costs money. money you don't want to spend because you are a friggen conservative so we cannot even do the NRAs idea because none of their dip**** members would vote for the tax increases required to put armed guards in every single school. how many armed guards are we going to have? one for each school? To properly secure an entire school from attack you would need one on each entrance at least. Even that sucks because any person with some intelligence would just snipe the armed guard at one entrance and go in that way. by the time the other chicken **** armed guards stopped pissing themselves he would be out of bullets.

It was a stupid idea created by a bunch of people who are really only there to sell guns and not to bother with any safety around them.
TurtleDude said:
the shooting at the military base involved victims who all were DISARMED
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It is a friggen military base, are you telling me there are no guards there? Are you telling me those guys are not trained to respond quickly to gunshots? You are a liar like always.
TurtleDude said:
nice try but again the facts get in the way of your hate the NRA rant
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hey, do you want to pay the extra taxes to put armed guards in every school? Do you want to train them? Do you want to increase school funding? give me a break with this conservative BS. The NRA did nothing today but prove they are brainless twits who should not even be involved in ping pong safety. Oh, and they are in big trouble because today an armed gunmen killed a woman at a church putting up christmas lights. yah, wait until the churchgoers start realizing crazed gunmen can kill them pretty damned easily at sunday mass. That will be the end of the Gun Rights lobby. You will lose all your support. It is all fine to christians when it is little kids being gunned down, but when the guns start shooting up churches they will start caring.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
I wouldn't want to no gun zone to be absolutely lifted. I would want it so only guards and teachers/staff are allowed weapons. Still dont want random people walking through school with a gun.
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I with you part way. I want only trained guard/policeman with a gun in the school. Am happy if this is what the NRA is proposing. Am not happy with that "armed society is a polite society" because we have so many morons in this society that shouldn't be in a ten foot radius of a gun. Like it or not the more guns the more chance for an accident.

We have armed policemen in our high school nows so adding them to the elementary school doesn't seem far fetched. Having a policeman in the school also allows children to see LEO in a more friendlier way as opposed to the guy flipping his lights on after dad or mom run the speed limit.
 
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CriticalThought said:
Yup, I got that from the Bush years. Whenever conservatives want to spend a virtually unlimited amount of money with no end in sight, they use the term "national security" to justify it even if it goes against evidence or is based on faulty intelligence.
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:roll: Typical. We shouldn't protect our children from gunmen because I Hate Bush.

Um...yeah I don't think that is true at all, but I would love to see your data. My guess is that your augment is completely based on anecdotal evidence from your own particular district and is not representative of the country at all.
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Well your guess would be wrong :)

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Like all government projects, education has grown a morbidly obese bureaucracy.
 
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