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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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Wiggen said:
Ahhh, an amendment to the Dumbest Analogy of the Year contest. And using the colorful 'Home Butt Sex' as an example of just how enlightened you are.
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it's surely not a very enlightened idea..... but then again, neither are gun bans.
 
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I am not a gun control guy. I don't think it would help much at all because it takes guns away from responsible people. Do you think criminals or mentally unstable people will have trouble finding or using one? No. It is unrealistic.

That being said...what the NRA came out with today was asinine. You think having an armed cop will save lives? Funny because the first thing I thought of was a crazed individual and a cop in a storm of bullets. Before the backup could arrive, many died due to being caught in the middle of that gun fire. Tragedy still happens.

The trouble is that people can't seem to conceptualize a hard, but true statement. There is very little we can do. No amount of legislation filled with red tape and kick backs will stop it. No amount of guns will stop it.

We should grieve for loss of life, but understand the danger of giving governments more power.
 
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poweRob said:
NRA Newtown response: National program to place armed security in schools

LaPierre in part blamed mass shootings on "vicious, violent video games" such as "Bulletstorm," "Grand Theft Auto," Mortal Kombat" and "Splatterhouse." He also reached back in time to place blame on movies like "American Psycho" and "Natural Born Killers" for portraying "life as a joke and murder as a way of life."​

He went on to say that congress should put armed officers in every school in America. Who'd a thunk that a lobby for gun manufacturing comes up with the solution that we need to sell more guns? What a shocker.

Anywhoo... I find it interesting that he chose to put a stupidity rift on this issue between his lobbying for the gun manufacturing industry and the video game, movie and music industries. He made it appear as "Guns? it's not gu.... LOOK OVER THERE!"
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The whole thing was very bizarre and insensitive. He comes off as too extreme and out of touch with reality, not a good spokesperson.

I think the NRA has a PR nightmare on its hands.
 
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Fenton said:
No stupidity is blaming the NRA for the deaths of 27 innocent lives.

Disgusting is using 27 innocent lives to push your political agenda.

You libs never cease to amaze me at the depths of depravity and souless leaching you'll do to get your political point across.

Parents are burrying their kids today. Would you care if you couldn't make some political hay with that ?

Doubt it.
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Ask those parents if they think banning a semi-automatic weapon is a good idea.

Political hay - what in the hell are you talking about? Bringing up the idea that there ought to be some control over what kinds of weapons are available to any clown with money is 'making political hay'? What is with you people and your obsession with owning military style weapons? Is it some kind of manly thing?
 
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Wiggen said:
A late entry, but surely a strong one, for this year's 'Incredibly dumb analogy' contest.
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Actually, I thought your post to be pretty stupid myself. Now how about adding something to the debate ... or is that a "Conservative" thing ?
 
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Wiggen said:
Ask those parents if they think banning a semi-automatic weapon is a good idea.

Political hay - what in the hell are you talking about? Bringing up the idea that there ought to be some control over what kinds of weapons are available to any clown with money is 'making political hay'? What is with you people and your obsession with owning military style weapons? Is it some kind of manly thing?
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Also ask those parents if they wish there had been an armed security person posted inside the school ?

See how that works ? ;)
 
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mr4anarchy said:
The whole thing was very bizarre and insensitive. He comes off as too extreme and out of touch with reality, not a good spokesperson.

I think the NRA has a PR nightmare on its hands.
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Their membership is expanding. Gun sales through the roof right now. Ditto for magazines and ammo.

You were saying .......... :)
 
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Redress said:
So still being able to own 99% or so of guns is "fairly restrictive? Interesting.
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In the same sense that being able to own millions of matchbox cars but not a car capable of transporting your family somewhere is "fairly restrictive", yes. We are discussing here a restriction that is significant because of the type. It is a departure from the original intent of the Second Amendment, which was designed to give the civilian populace parity with military forces.

Here is some fact based(ie not opinion like you like so much) reading: FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts
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Woops? You just argued the exact same thing I've been saying :).
 
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What is a gun show loophole. The last two times I bought a gun at a gun show I had to fill out the paper work and wait 15 minutes for a background check with the NICS.
 
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BTW One week ago Adam Lanza killed 27 including himself. The media and many politicians have been insisting we need to make it harder for people like Lanza to obtain weapons. Adam Lanza attempted to purchase a rifle from Dick's the tuesday before he went on his massacre. They turned him away. The system worked yet it failed. The sales person at Dick's should have called the authorities. A red flag at the FBI NICS background check office should have informed local authorities that Lanza was attempting to purchase a weapon. They did not. They share the blame for what happened last Friday. Lanza should have been stopped before he was able to kill.
 
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Thrilla said:
it's surely not a very enlightened idea..... but then again, neither are gun bans.
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At least someone gets my sarcastic point.......

BTW: For the Record..... I could care less if homosexual people have butt sex or not. It does not affect me.

Just like guns, of all types, and in whatever magazine capacity they can think of, in the hands of sane people does not affect me.
 
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Muddy Creek said:
Look, it's the semi-automatic, automatic weapons in the hands of psychos and children who are psychos from parents teaching them that are the problem. We need MORE regulations on who gets to buy a gun. The gun lobby wants you to look away from their sales and at video game sales.
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Current gun laws worked in this instance. When Adam Lanza tried to buy a gun, he was denied. CT Gun Control Laws, which are already some of the strictest on the books didn't magically convince Lanza to not make the decision to commit murder.

Typical emotional Collectivist Authoritarian response to anything = pass more laws/more Government Control/removal of Individual Rights
 
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Top Cat said:
As you drift further and further to the right, the world appears smaller and smaller in your rear view mirror. The myopia of the right and the NRA is laughable. You're embarrassing yourselves.
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people like you don't do a very good job demonstrating your true motivations

you hate the NRA, not the criminals who spill the blood you anti gun extremists welcome to fuel your jihad against those who don't buy into your far left welfare socialist agenda

its all about sticking it people who don't agree with you on many issues

its not about making America safe

people like you want to use the government to hassle, harass, oppress and probably even kill those who reject your mindset
 
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Middleground said:
Hey Maggie... you don't think Canada and the rest of the world get those games? So how do you explain that? Look at my signature...
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Actually I agree with Maggie D. There is a desensitizing effect on kids who play and are exposed to violence through movies and the internet. Do all Canadians think that exposing a young mind, of any age to a violent filled movie, games or internet is a good idea ?

Is it your opinion that that our society or yours benefits from a arbitrary exposure to blatant violence ?

And guns ? Canada has the luxury of being America's Top Hat and pushing socialist ideology and policies that would be economically impossible if if were up to Canadians to defend their selves with any considerable self funded military.

Before Texas became a conceal carry State we got to listen to the empty headed liberals tell us how our State would, because of our new law devolve into a Wild West style every man for himself nightmare.

It didn't happen and in fact has led a society that has the means to protect itself from criminals who with or with out gun laws threaten our citizens.

You'll never empty our country of firearms, especially when our politicians refuse to protect our Southern borders so give those who would abide by the existing laws and conform to their second amendment rights the chance to protect themselves and their families.
 
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TurtleDude said:
that is how the law was for over 150 years. the "loophole" was making dealers do something they had never done until 1968
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Looks like that is coming to an end. :cool:
 
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Eighty Deuce said:
Their membership is expanding. Gun sales through the roof right now. Ditto for magazines and ammo.

You were saying .......... :)
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On Wed and today, i spent a total of four hours at the biggest gunshop in Cincinnati because its where I shoot. I saw over 200 "assault weapons" be sold along with hundreds of normal capacity (20/30) shot magazines. MOST of the buyers did not have "assault weapons" though one guy bought FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS (two AR 15s, one FN-FAL and two handguns) and said he had spent TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS since the Newtown massacre. He said he planned on reselling some of the guns if the ban comes since he could "make lots of money:"

the liberal dems are responsible for putting millions of more magazines on the street. plus the makers of both guns and magazines are hiring on for 24/7 production to crank out as much as they can while the dems are dicking around with whatever idiocy they come up with

if the dems and the turd in chief had not whined about guns, this wouldn't be happening. but now the dems and the Brady scumsuckers are going to put at least 5 million more guns and tenX as many magazines into private circulation and since many people are buying those guns for resale, that means lots of guns that are harder to "trace"

good job Dems
 
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Catawba said:
Looks like that is coming to an end. :cool:
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why don't you have the honesty to tell people why you are spending so much time braying in favor of more stupid gun laws?

You can never enforce private sales being subjected to a check. unless all guns are registered-probably a dream of yours but its not gonna happen.
 
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Caine said:
At least someone gets my sarcastic point.......

BTW: For the Record..... I could care less if homosexual people have butt sex or not. It does not affect me.

Just like guns, of all types, and in whatever magazine capacity they can think of, in the hands of sane people does not affect me.
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I thought your example was perfect. It accurately illustrated the absurdity of the liberal argument here for gun control.

It really pisses them off when you do that .... :)
 
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Case study on the effectiveness of gun bans. Chicago and Washington DC how is it working out for them? In places where guns are banned murder and violent crimes go up. Go ahead ban guns, the blood will be on your hands.
 
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Middleground said:
Drug laws mostly don't work. However, gun control laws do seem to.
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News to me. Chicago, Detriot, DC... all but gun-ban cities, yet with very high murder rates.
 
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SgtRock said:
Case study on the effectiveness of gun bans.
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In the UK in 2009 there were 39 homicides with guns, in the US there were over 9,000.
 
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Goshin said:
News to me. Chicago, Detriot, DC... all but gun-ban cities, yet with very high murder rates.
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she is right Goshin. where some make mistakes is arguing that gun restrictions do not decrease crime. and if that was the PURPOSE of those laws than your argument would be sound

in reality, the purpose of the chicago laws is to disarm HONEST PEOPLE and make the lives of criminals safer therefore causing crime victims to clamor for more government

that is the REAL motivation of the gun haters and their laws ARE WORKING TO DO WHAT MOTIVATES THEM
 
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Catawba said:
In the UK in 2009 there were 39 homicides with guns, in the US there were over 9,000.
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more dishonesty. there was far less crimes of violence before the UK started banning guns

we get more guns and less crime, they have less LEGAL guns and more crime
 
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