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NRA Newtown response [W:818]

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I would correct that to "can work" in some places, and they do have a cost in terms of limiting freedoms.

I am a big backer when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but could sleep at night knowing that a law banning things like assault rifles is in place.
 
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Indeed...especially in Chicago.

That example is rather weak. If Chicago weren't an island of this law surrounded by the everything feeding into it opposing the law... I'll just say, a city can't do it alone.
 
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I am a big backer when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but could sleep at night knowing that a law banning things like assault rifles is in place.

Oh god, now you did it! Now every gun nut is going to swarm and point out, correctly, that by definition assault rifles are illegal in the US.

Personally, I do not think more restrictive gun laws are needed in the US. Schools really are pretty safe, and I think that freedoms come with certain costs inherent.
 
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Look, it's the semi-automatic, automatic weapons in the hands of psychos and children who are psychos from parents teaching them that are the problem. We need MORE regulations on who gets to buy a gun. The gun lobby wants you to look away from their sales and at video game sales.

Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets. Who was the last nutjob with a fully automatic weapon, btw ?

We had guns galore 40-50 years ago, and did not have these types of crimes in even remote frequency to now. It is the decay of society, the "anything goes" theme of modern liberalism, and such as the internet which provides peer-group participation for the nut jobs, that is the difference from then to now.

But liberals blame this new invention we call "guns".
 
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Canada's divorce rate is just about half what ours is in the United States. Don't just say other countries have all those things. How many of their children are on Prozac and other mind-altering drugs? How many single-parent households do they have? Do their cable channels have the kinds of horrific vio-porn we have here in the U.S.? I don't know. Do you? Criminal Minds (a network show) regularly has shows depicting serial killers as if they are everywhere. Canada? I don't know. Do you?

Jesus Maggie. That's what you're coming up with? Really?
 
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Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets.

How many of the 62 mass shootings in the last 30 years were carried out in gun free zones?
 
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Just like our drug laws have made it difficult for the bad guys to get drugs?

So, legalize drugs, is what you're saying?

Or are you saying that because bad people will get guns, we shouldn't try to stop bad people from getting guns?
 
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Nonsense. Its any gun in the hands of the nutjobs, and then their ability to find soft targets.

It's ******s who would never even tried to pull it off if they had to do it without a gun.

Eighty Deuce said:
Who was the last nutjob with a fully automatic weapon, btw ?

Well the issue lately has been high capicity clips... I think that would be pretty much all of the latest ones.

Eighty Deuce said:
We had guns galore 40-50 years ago, and did not have these types of crimes in even remote frequency to now. It is the decay of society, the "anything goes" theme of modern liberalism, and such as the internet which provides peer-group participation for the nut jobs, that is the difference from then to now.

But liberals blame this new invention we call "guns".

Society isn't in decay. Things weren't better when you were a child.
 
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That example is rather weak. If Chicago weren't an island of this law surrounded by the everything feeding into it opposing the law... I'll just say, a city can't do it alone.
This discussion suggests the opposite of your conclusion that guns tend to migrate from easy to get to high crime locations.

MAIG certainly wouldn't want to use crime statistics to make its case. Maryland's murder rate is third highest among the states 75 percent higher than Virginia's, 47 percent higher than Pennsylvania's, 46 percent higher than North Carolina's and 67 percent higher than West Virginia's. No rational person is going to believe that "weak" gun laws in those other states cause Maryland's crime problem, when they don't cause the same or worse within their own borders.

As it turns out, there is no correlation between a state's crime rate and whether it has any of the 10 state level gun laws the group advocates. In fact, murder rates average 70 percent higher in major U.S. cities where seven or more of the 10 MAIG supported laws apply, than in cities where none of those laws are in force. And while BATFE considers firearm trafficking most likely to be indicated when a gun ends up in a criminal's hands within two years of its original sale, firearms traced by BATFE are 11 years old, on average.

Only briefly noted by MAIG is that most traced guns (70 percent nationally) were originally sold in the same state where they're eventually traced, and that those originally sold in other states generally come from neighboring states, regardless of their laws. (For example, restrictive California is the largest source of guns traced to out of state sources by agencies in Oregon, Nevada and Arizona.) Finally, guns sold in the 10 states that MAIG says are most responsible for interstate gun trafficking, are actually only one third as likely to end up being traced from other states.
 
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Man did go beserk at Fort Hood.
You ARE aware that soldiers don't have free access to their weapons outside of when they are going to the field right?
You ARE aware that soldiers on a military installation aren't given access to ammunition until they are to use it during a training exercise right?
You ARE aware that the training areas are not right in the middle of the "garrison" portion of the base right?
The fact that a shooting happened at Fort Hood doesn't have the meaning you think it does.
 
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2006 Japan had 2 gun homicides. This also indicates that it is quite possible gun control can work.

And how does the illegitimate birth rate compare, Japan to the US ?
Hint: It ain't low because in Japan they make them cut off their dicks ;)

Japan has completely outlawed guns for all practical purposes for a long time. Banning assult rifles here, now, has essentially zero correlation to anything you can glean from Japan's statistics.
 
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Typical liberals.

It's not the glorified graphic violence in Hollywood, the celebrated violence in rap music, the kill-somebody-every-second video games, the overly sympathetic judicial system, or the unlimited coverage and repetition provided by the media.

It's just the guns.

FYI, mass murders happened more frequently 1,000 years ago, when there was no such thing as a gun.
Erod: curious about something. I agree with the 1000 years ago but lets go back 100 years or so when all of those bad things didn't exist (TV; movies; video games; etc; )

Dated April 10, 1891, the article described an elderly man firing a shotgun at children playing in front of St. Mary's Parochial School in Newburgh, NY.

"None of the children were killed, but several were well filled with lead," the report said...

...More than a century earlier, on July 26, 1764, a teacher and 10 students were shot dead by four Lenape American Indians in Greencastle, Pennsylvania, in what is considered the earliest known U.S. mass school shooting...

...Some of the earliest recorded cases include the 1893 killing with guns and swords of 11 people (including an infant) in Osaka, Japan, the 1914 shooting of 7 people in the Italian village of Camerata Cornello, not to mention the case of German spree killer Ernst August Wagner...
Now I know that assault guns didn't exist, but you must admit that more people had firearms on them than today too.(officially or unofficially.) Where was the intervention? Discovery News
 
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And how does the illegitimate birth rate compare, Japan to the US ?
Hint: It ain't low because in Japan they make them cut off their dicks ;)

Japan has completely outlawed guns for all practical purposes for a long time. Banning assult rifles here, now, has essentially zero correlation to anything you can glean from Japan's statistics.

Did the word "can" confuse you? Did you try and read more into what I said than was there?
 
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This discussion suggests the opposite of your conclusion that guns tend to migrate from easy to get to high crime locations.

MAIG certainly wouldn't want to use crime statistics to make its case. Maryland's murder rate is third highest among the states 75 percent higher than Virginia's, 47 percent higher than Pennsylvania's, 46 percent higher than North Carolina's and 67 percent higher than West Virginia's. No rational person is going to believe that "weak" gun laws in those other states cause Maryland's crime problem, when they don't cause the same or worse within their own borders.

As it turns out, there is no correlation between a state's crime rate and whether it has any of the 10 state level gun laws the group advocates. In fact, murder rates average 70 percent higher in major U.S. cities where seven or more of the 10 MAIG supported laws apply, than in cities where none of those laws are in force. And while BATFE considers firearm trafficking most likely to be indicated when a gun ends up in a criminal's hands within two years of its original sale, firearms traced by BATFE are 11 years old, on average.

Only briefly noted by MAIG is that most traced guns (70 percent nationally) were originally sold in the same state where they're eventually traced, and that those originally sold in other states generally come from neighboring states, regardless of their laws. (For example, restrictive California is the largest source of guns traced to out of state sources by agencies in Oregon, Nevada and Arizona.) Finally, guns sold in the 10 states that MAIG says are most responsible for interstate gun trafficking, are actually only one third as likely to end up being traced from other states.

I didn't say nor imply that though. I may not have been clear though... I was trying to say that if a city makes a law and the rest of the country is different, that city is buried in laws contrary to them. And unless the manufacturers are in Chicago, those guns are being imported into Chicago from all it's surroundings.
 
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I am a big backer when it comes to personal rights and freedoms, but could sleep at night knowing that a law banning things like assault rifles is in place.

So, because YOU don't enjoy shooting rifles its okay?

I don't like having homo-butt sex. So we should ban it, because I could sleep at night better knowing such unspeakable acts aren't being committed....

:roll:
 
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You ARE aware that soldiers don't have free access to their weapons outside of when they are going to the field right?
You ARE aware that soldiers on a military installation aren't given access to ammunition until they are to use it during a training exercise right?
You ARE aware that the training areas are not right in the middle of the "garrison" portion of the base right?
The fact that a shooting happened at Fort Hood doesn't have the meaning you think it does.

I was in the service.. I am aware. I'm also aware of MP's and guarded gates. My point still stands that they don't all just run to completely unarmed kindergartens.
 
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It's ******s who would never even tried to pull it off if they had to do it without a gun.

Agreed. But they can still do enoumous damage with a couple of Glocks.

Well the issue lately has been high capicity clips... I think that would be pretty much all of the latest ones.

Takes one second to change clips. Magazine size is a political red-herring. Not the only one, btw.


Society isn't in decay. Things weren't better when you were a child.

There were far less school-shootings per capita.

A few other differences as well .............. ;)
 
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That example is rather weak. If Chicago weren't an island of this law surrounded by the everything feeding into it opposing the law... I'll just say, a city can't do it alone.

And DC. There is always an excuse when facts don't fit the agenda. It's against the law to grow dope in the US. We therefore. import it from Mexico.
 
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Blaming video games, the old scapegoat they might aswell have said it's the Jews.
 
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So, because YOU don't enjoy shooting rifles its okay?

I don't like having homo-butt sex. So we should ban it, because I could sleep at night better knowing such unspeakable acts aren't being committed....

:roll:


Rifle? Is tha your euphemism for 'gun that can release a ****load of bullets between nanoseconds'? Why would such a gun be needed besides wanting to turn your deer into Swiss cheese?
 
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Did the word "can" confuse you? Did you try and read more into what I said than was there?

A#1) No.

A#2) No.

You chose Japan as the analogy. Japan allows virtually no guns. That is not what is on the table here.

Further, as I crudely noted, all of Japan's crime rates are hugely lower than ours. Their society is in nowhere near the state of moral decay that ours is.

Want to take a guess as to their rate of "flash mob" crime ? How about arrests for playing "knockout" ? Those crimes have nothing to do with guns.
 
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Agreed. But they can still do enoumous damage with a couple of Glocks.



Takes one second to change clips. Magazine size is a political red-herring. Not the only one, btw.




There were far less school-shootings per capita.

A few other differences as well .............. ;)


It's how Jared Loughner got stopped...

Woman Wrestled Fresh Ammo Clip From Tucson Shooter as He Tried to Reload

Unforunately, he had a high capacity clip so he got of 20 more rounds than had he had a normal clip before he had to change.
 
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Oh god, now you did it! Now every gun nut is going to swarm and point out, correctly, that by definition assault rifles are illegal in the US.

Personally, I do not think more restrictive gun laws are needed in the US. Schools really are pretty safe, and I think that freedoms come with certain costs inherent.

I don't know the answer for sure (does anybody?), but gun violence in the US is staggeringly high.
 
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Japan, at one time, was a world wide criminal. The same is true of Germany. Sheer force showed both countires the error of their ways. There is a lesson there someplace.
 
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And DC. There is always an excuse when facts don't fit the agenda. It's against the law to grow dope in the US. We therefore. import it from Mexico.

How hard is it to find a marijuana farm?
How hard is it to find a gun manufacturering plant?

Apples and oranges is apples and oranges.
 
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