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4 dead in Blair Co. shooting; 3 troopers injured

danarhea said:
There is actually an irony here. This mass shooting happened at the same time the NRA was holding their press conference in which they called for armed personnel in every school.
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It does not meet the definition of a mass killing:

"The victims were shot at separate locations, and investigators said they are processing five different crime scenes."
Even the number is too low. Four dead including the shooter.
 
Misterveritis said:
This does not meet the definition of a mass killing:

"The victims were shot at separate locations, and investigators said they are processing five different crime scenes."

The victims had the right to self defense. Perhaps they were not armed.
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Maybe they weren't on horseback or waiting for a stagecoach too, but that's not my point; the point is if people are shot in some area, Pro-gun says we should put people with guns in that area or arm people. Sooner or later gun proponents will have all of us wearing six-shooters and riding horses; I thought we were past this sort of thing. :confused:
 
Earlier I wrote, "t does not meet the definition of a mass killing:

"The victims were shot at separate locations, and investigators said they are processing five different crime scenes."
Even the number is too low. Four dead including the shooter."

ttwtt78640 said:
That depends on your definition; see this link's definition: A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones
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They were shot at separate locations. I have been using five as the number even if one includes the shooter. This looks more like a shooting spree. I suppose we should determine what the fbi uses in its definition.
 
RLN said:
Maybe they weren't on horseback or waiting for a stagecoach too, but that's not my point; the point is if people are shot in some area, Pro-gun says we should put people with guns in that area or arm people. Sooner or later gun proponents will have all of us wearing six-shooters and riding horses; I thought we were past this sort of thing. :confused:
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I suppose we can agree to disagree.

I do not see any way to stop all murders. I was focused on the lesser problem of mass killings.

For those who believe, as I do that my very existence is why I have a right to defend myself, then I benefit directly by concealed carry and you benefit indirectly.
 
Misterveritis said:
Earlier I wrote, "t does not meet the definition of a mass killing:

"The victims were shot at separate locations, and investigators said they are processing five different crime scenes."
Even the number is too low. Four dead including the shooter."



They were shot at separate locations. I have been using five as the number even if one includes the shooter. This looks more like a shooting spree. I suppose we should determine what the fbi uses in its definition.
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That is why I included the reference site. Some, like the "DC sniper" used both rifles, handguns and accomplices and killed serially but in a very close time frame. Some are captured but most kill themselves or force police to do it. I am unsure what the "proper" definition is myself.

Whether mass, spree or serial most of these bizzarre folks seem to be thrill killers, rather than doing it for any classic "motive", although the "DC sniper" intended to off his ex-wife as one of the "random" victims; at the time she lived just 6 miles from me and his accomplice struck at a bar/liquor store just 3 miles away.
 
I bet your idea is shot down.


Capster78 said:
Install guns on cars, guns on buildings, guns on trees with cameras.. Then put guns on the guns so that the guns can protect themselves from other guns.. Then, you need to have guns pointed at those guns to protect themselves from themselves and other guns guns.
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Misterveritis said:
I suppose we can agree to disagree.

I do not see any way to stop all murders. I was focused on the lesser problem of mass killings.

For those who believe, as I do that my very existence is why I have a right to defend myself, then I benefit directly by concealed carry and you benefit indirectly.
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Sir, you are correct. And I sincerely hope that it works out to both our benefits. God Bless. Be safe. :peace
 
RLN said:
Maybe they weren't on horseback or waiting for a stagecoach too, but that's not my point; the point is if people are shot in some area, Pro-gun says we should put people with guns in that area or arm people. Sooner or later gun proponents will have all of us wearing six-shooters and riding horses; I thought we were past this sort of thing. :confused:
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If we were all packin', this sort of thing wouldn't happen as much.

There will always be bad people in the world. The only thing that will change will be the ability of decent people to protect themselves.
 
apdst said:
If we were all packin', this sort of thing wouldn't happen as much.

There will always be bad people in the world. The only thing that will change will be the ability of decent people to protect themselves.
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Sir: to be frank with you, there will be times that a person that's packing (so to speak.) may be able to make a difference, but most of the time it would be better off if that person stay out of it because that person may harm others in the process. I don't care how much training one gets on the shooting range; it doesn't prepare them for the emotional impact of that very moment when the shooting starts. If you do not believe me try going to ranges where they simulate that sort of thing where you have silhouettes of good guys and bad guys popping out in front of you; and to intensify that situation the instructor will give you a limited amount of time to get through the course. I think that you will find out just how many good guys you will hit in the end.
 
RLN said:
Sir: to be frank with you, there will be times that a person that's packing (so to speak.) may be able to make a difference, but most of the time it would be better off if that person stay out of it because that person may harm others in the process. I don't care how much training one gets on the shooting range; it doesn't prepare them for the emotional impact of that very moment when the shooting starts. If you do not believe me try going to ranges where they simulate that sort of thing where you have silhouettes of good guys and bad guys popping out in front of you; and to intensify that situation the instructor will give you a limited amount of time to get through the course. I think that you will find out just how many good guys you will hit in the end.
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So hypothetically speaking, let's say you're in a school while a shooting was occuring. The guy next to you pulls out his gun and says "I'm going to stop this!" You would grab him by the arm and say "No, bro, you'll do more harm than good, just stay."
 
RLN said:
Sir: to be frank with you, there will be times that a person that's packing (so to speak.) may be able to make a difference, but most of the time it would be better off if that person stay out of it because that person may harm others in the process. I don't care how much training one gets on the shooting range; it doesn't prepare them for the emotional impact of that very moment when the shooting starts. If you do not believe me try going to ranges where they simulate that sort of thing where you have silhouettes of good guys and bad guys popping out in front of you; and to intensify that situation the instructor will give you a limited amount of time to get through the course. I think that you will find out just how many good guys you will hit in the end.
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Which is completely different than having one bad guy and you know it before you even draw.
 
gunner said:
They just keep coming...

"WENTZVILLE, Mo. (AP) - A Wentzville man is jailed after allegedly becoming agitated during a barber shop discussion of the Newtown, Conn., shooting and allegedly shooting in the direction of a patron.

Assault, armed criminal action and unlawful possession of a weapon charges were filed against 57-year-old Lester Davis of Wentzville following the shooting Tuesday at All Cuts Barber Shop in Wentzville.

A patron made the comment that the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School made him want to kill the suspect. For unknown reasons, police say Davis took the comment as a threat and asked, “You want to murder me?”

Davis then allegedly went to his car, retrieved a pistol and fired three times in the customer’s direction. No one was hurt."

Barber Shop Argument Over Sandy Hook Shooting Leads To Gun Violence

Paul
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Those responcibile gun owners got to love then
 
TaraAnne said:
Those responcibile gun owners got to love then
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You're so right. Now the very rare ones who make the news...those generally aren't representative of the millions of responsible gun owners.
 
TurtleDude said:
do you have proof of that, many gangs have fully automatic weapons. those don't come from legal owners. they come from international black markets and from our own military and police arsenals
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Sure they do, his name is Barack Obama. We had a border guard killed over it.
 
RLN said:
Sir: to be frank with you, there will be times that a person that's packing (so to speak.) may be able to make a difference, but most of the time it would be better off if that person stay out of it because that person may harm others in the process. I don't care how much training one gets on the shooting range; it doesn't prepare them for the emotional impact of that very moment when the shooting starts. If you do not believe me try going to ranges where they simulate that sort of thing where you have silhouettes of good guys and bad guys popping out in front of you; and to intensify that situation the instructor will give you a limited amount of time to get through the course. I think that you will find out just how many good guys you will hit in the end.
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There's absolutely no evidence to support what you're saying. In fact, the evidence disproves your comments.
 
Fisher said:
It would be harder to do a driveby with no cars or roads. With 300 Million guns out there, the "go after the guns" side is quite unrealistic a solution to crime. It is political masturbation.
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See this is to me as unreasonable as the anti-gun side.

The idea that the answer to gun violence in the United States is more and more guns in the hands of more and more people.
 
clownboy said:
Before we go all hogwild here, could this be related to the date and Mayan prediction hammered upon for the last year by the media?
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Well, bizarre human behavior might have been influenced by the Mayan event, no doubt. Mass psychosis is certainly possible.

This event was NOT sponsored by some black government agency, this was just a spontaneous loss of mind by a 18 year convict, some years later, perhaps in response to what happened in Newtown.

Suicidal Vietnam Vet, as the song used to go. :lol:

Still, short of taking away all guns, how in the hell could some vague gun law have prevented this? He was already forbidden by law from possessing a firearm because he was a felon. In a perverse way, that illustrates how impotent the law really can be.

I'm reminded of the words of W.H. Auden, those to whom evil is done, do evil in return.
 
Capster78 said:
Install guns on cars, guns on buildings, guns on trees with cameras.. Then put guns on the guns so that the guns can protect themselves from other guns.. Then, you need to have guns pointed at those guns to protect themselves from themselves and other guns guns.
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This sounds very reasonable, I am sure the gunnies would agree.
 
gunner said:
They just keep coming...

"WENTZVILLE, Mo. (AP) - A Wentzville man is jailed after allegedly becoming agitated during a barber shop discussion of the Newtown, Conn., shooting and allegedly shooting in the direction of a patron.

Assault, armed criminal action and unlawful possession of a weapon charges were filed against 57-year-old Lester Davis of Wentzville following the shooting Tuesday at All Cuts Barber Shop in Wentzville.

A patron made the comment that the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School made him want to kill the suspect. For unknown reasons, police say Davis took the comment as a threat and asked, “You want to murder me?”

Davis then allegedly went to his car, retrieved a pistol and fired three times in the customer’s direction. No one was hurt."

Barber Shop Argument Over Sandy Hook Shooting Leads To Gun Violence

Paul
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Another law abiding citizen or android? WHich ever the points the same.
 
clownboy said:
I agree with that somewhat. Folks are higly stressed right now in general. Poor economy, transportation and food prices climbing, the most stressful of holiday seasons upon us and major changes being hotly debated. Add in the media's perchant for stoking the fires unceasingly, and you have a recipe for the wacky few to explode in messy fashion.
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And of course now the shooter is a loon. Nice deflection. Just a guy who feels that he can answer everything with a gun instead of a mouth.
 
lizzie said:
As much as I hate to say it, we've had it too easy, for too long. People don't understand how to live and survive anymore in tough times, and imo, it's to our detriment generally.
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All I have to say is look at my 1st signature. I think this is a vast oversimplifaction and far to "inclusive"
 
poweRob said:
Things aren't worse now than at any other time. That is a myth perpetuated by getting older.
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the myth is perpetuated by the fact that there is no hole that a person can hide in that the media won't find them. the world is much much smaller than it use to be.
 
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