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G.O.P. Leaders in House Pull Tax Bill, Citing Lack of Votes[W: 414]

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It really doesn't matter - like I said I could set an astronomically high budget (or allow my Congress to do so) and we could call anything my congress did not spend a "surplus."

All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything.

A person who makes $1.000 dollars a month can spend $1,500 dollars a month and call that their budget while they borrow the rest when they only spent $700.00 on the month while calling that a "surplus."

Sorry if these ideas are too complicated for you to understand.

So,do you really think that a government is run like a HOUSEHOLD?:shock:"All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything."
 
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It really doesn't matter - like I said I could set an astronomically high budget (or allow my Congress to do so) and we could call anything my congress did not spend a "surplus."

All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN

A person who makes $1.000 dollars a month can spend $1,500 dollars a month and call that their budget while they borrow the rest when they only spent $700.00 on the month while calling that a "surplus."
No, you cannot. Surpluses and deficits are expressed purely in the form of revenues and expenditures. Outlays that exceed tax receipts are filed under the "deficit"' category.

Right, which occurred in both FY99 and 00.

No, they cannot.
 
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So,do you really think that a government is run like a HOUSEHOLD?:shock:"All that matters is that you DONT SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN, hence budgets don't mean anything."

Yes I do - microeconomics matter!!!

In what universe do you believe economics ends at government? Oh yeah you believe in dictated economies like every progressive commie does that is why you run the printing press 24-7 - when you need more money you just print it. Then you wonder why people buy gold? Sorry a dollar is not worth a dollar just because you say it is.
 
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No, they cannot. Surpluses and deficits are expressed purely in the form of revenues and expenditures. Outlays that exceed tax receipts are filed under the "deficit"' category.

Right, which happened in both FY98, 99, 00 and 01.

No, they cannot.

Really? maybe I can just set my personal budget at 1 trillion and then call everything I didn't spend a surplus despite the fact I could be in the red?

No, because I don't borrow money. I view defaulting as stealing.
 
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Yes I do - microeconomics matter!!!

In what universe do you believe economics ends at government? Oh yeah you believe in dictated economies like every progressive commie does that is why you run the printing press 24-7 - when you need more money you just print it. Then you wonder why people buy gold? Sorry a dollar is not worth a dollar just because you say it is.

What in the world makes you think macroeconomics responds to thrift? There is no evidence that virtue (or what you consider virtue, which in tea party parlance is something like poverty and lack of productivity) has anything to do with how macroeconmics works. Indeed, credit is the engine of macroeconomic events, and tea baggers for some reason don't think credit is good thing (despite that fact that it is the basis of modern capitalism and its wealth creation).
 
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Really? maybe I can just set my personal budget at 1 trillion and then call everything I didn't spend a surplus despite the fact I could be in the red?

No, because I don't borrow money. I view defaulting as stealing.

So you think Donald Trump, Henry Ford, Walt Disney and GM are all theives? They all went bankrupt.
 
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Yes I do - microeconomics matter!!!

In what universe do you believe economics ends at government? Oh yeah you believe in dictated economies like every progressive commie does that is why you run the printing press 24-7 - when you need more money you just print it. Then you wonder why people buy gold? Sorry a dollar is not worth a dollar just because you say it is.

Our country runs on debt.The only time that we had zero debt was On Jan. 8, 1835,when Andrew Jackson was prez. By 1837, we were headed into a depression that lasted six years before the economy began to grow again..Debt is good for a country,at least our founding fathers thought so.
 
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What in the world makes you think macroeconomics responds to thrift? There is no evidence that virtue (or what you consider virtue, which in tea party parlance is something like poverty and lack of productivity) has anything to do with how macroeconmics works. Indeed, credit is the engine of macroeconomic events, and tea baggers for some reason don't think credit is good thing (despite that fact that it is the basis of modern capitalism and its wealth creation).

I didn't say macroeconomics I said MICROECONOMICS - apparently you don't know anything about economics.

Don't argue with people on topics you have no understanding of.
 
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Our country runs on debt.The only time that we had zero debt was On Jan. 8, 1835,when Andrew Jackson was prez. By 1837, we were headed into a depression that lasted six years before the economy began to grow again..Debt is good for a country,at least our founding fathers thought so.

No our country does NOT run on debt.......

Do you have any concept on what makes currency valuable? Seriously??

Saying "our country runs on debt" is one of the most delusional things I have ever heard in my life... You may as well say the typical family depends on credit cards (and that is somehow logical within itself).

Funny how I get by without credit cards.
 
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So you think Donald Trump, Henry Ford, Walt Disney and GM are all theives? They all went bankrupt.

So?

That is common, 90% of businesses fail. That is why I'm disgusted by the labor unions. People and investors lose millions trying to build a business and the second one becomes successful the greedy progressive unions come running in talking about "fair share" yeah well sorry they didn't fail 10 times to FINALLY build a successful business - they didn't lose millions - no they extorted millions.
 
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No our country does NOT run on debt.......

Do you have any concept on what makes currency valuable? Seriously??

Saying "our country runs on debt" is one of the most delusional things I have ever heard in my life... You may as well say the typical family depends on credit cards (and that is somehow logical within itself).

Funny how I get by without credit cards.

"Do you have any concept on what makes currency valuable? Seriously?? "

yes i do but evidently you don’t.Where do you think the money for our wars came from?Ask China how much interest were paying on the money that we borrowed for Iraq, Afghanistan.my war,Vietnam,was on borrowed money,WW2, borrowed money.

Do you think we shouda saved up enough money before we declared war on Japan after they attacked Pearl Harbor? You're a ****ing delusional twit if you think that this country does not now,and hasn't since our revolution INTENTIONALLY.and at times striven to run on credit. At time its been a practice to run UP credit.AGAIN,INTENTIONALLY.
 
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Between 2000 and 2010, there were,649 million votes cast in general elections,47,000 UFO sightings and 13 credible cases of in-person voter fraud.So in winger land somehow that justifies 1,000 bills to tighten voting laws in 46 states.

Like i said in my other post, the only way that reps can win is by voter suppression, on the state level and that window is closing by the day/week.The republican party might as well change there name now...or possibly recycle an old name.Might want to check and see if the copyright for the Whig party is still available.

Here would be a good motto for your new party, an old keepsake of the tea party. I believe i seen a early tea party member,all decked out with what looked like a revolutionary war hat,with teabags dangling from it and he was carrying a sign which had the following quote on it "IF REALITY DOESN'T SUPPORT OUR IDEOLOGY,THEN WE'LL INVENT OUR OWN REALITY".Might be a good motto for your new party when you get it off the ground.:peace
This is a great point. Republicans win when we suppress the illegal alien vote, the illegal felon vote, the illegal dead vote, the democratic party vote early and vote often vote...

Sometimes even you stumble upon the truth.We cannot win elections against the massive fraud perpetrated by the union-supported democratic party.
 
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This is a great point. Republicans win when we suppress the illegal alien vote, the illegal felon vote, the illegal dead vote, the democratic party vote early and vote often vote...

Sometimes even you stumble upon the truth.We cannot win elections against the massive fraud perpetrated by the union-supported democratic party.

You must have,in your glee overlooked this part of my post eh?"window is closing by the day/week. "
 
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No our country does NOT run on debt.......

You are talking nonsense. Debt greases the gears of all modern economies, and is the preferred method of corporate financing (the global credit market is roughly twice the size of the global equity market in terms of value).

Do you have any concept on what makes currency valuable? Seriously??

I doubt you do.

Funny how I get by without credit cards.

What you do IRL is of no consequence to this discussion.
 
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You must have,in your glee overlooked this part of my post eh?"window is closing by the day/week. "
Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play.
 
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Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play.

why not go full bore stormfront ideology and revert to allowing only white male landowners to vote?
 
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Earlier I wrote, "Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play."

why not go full bore stormfront ideology and revert to allowing only white male landowners to vote?

It appears that I can leave the nonsensical to you. You do it so much better than I ever could.
 
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Earlier I wrote, "Two more things will help. We see more states becoming right to work states. That will strip the democratic party of massive amounts of laundered dollars. Second, more states will have voter photo ID laws so one will have to prove one's eligibility to vote. That is very bad news for one party.

I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer.

If you want to vote in a local election prove you pay their taxes. If you want to vote at the state level prove you are a net taxpayer. And for the national level only those of us who actually pay should be able to vote. You no pay. You no play."



It appears that I can leave the nonsensical to you. You do it so much better than I ever could.

Speaking of nonsensical.in post #197 you say “If you are unable to vote on the appointed day then get an absentee ballot and fill it out. “

now you say “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Is this an additional hoop that you want to throw in front of the poor and seniors? Besides, I thought that the 24th Amendment disallowed the poll tax as a prerequisite for voting.Also, how are you going to worm around the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?:peace
 
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Speaking of nonsensical.in post #197 you say “If you are unable to vote on the appointed day then get an absentee ballot and fill it out. “
Isn't that precisely why we have absentee ballots? We do not need nor can we again afford to have an election period that runs for weeks. It allows for way too much mischief.

now you say “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Is this an additional hoop that you want to throw in front of the poor and seniors? Besides, I thought that the 24th Amendment disallowed the poll tax as a prerequisite for voting.Also, how are you going to worm around the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment?:peace
It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
Each locality would need to create their rules.

Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.
 
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Isn't that precisely why we have absentee ballots? We do not need nor can we again afford to have an election period that runs for weeks. It allows for way too much mischief.


It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
Each locality would need to create their rules.

Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.


Sure it is. In the south it was used in the late eighteen hundreds,up to early nineteen hundreds to keep the black and poor whites from voting. Hence the 24th Amendment,intruduced in 1964, that disallowed the tax that you now want to implement.Sad.:(
 
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Sure it is. In the south it was used in the late eighteen hundreds,up to early nineteen hundreds to keep the black and poor whites from voting. Hence the 24th Amendment,intruduced in 1964, that disallowed the tax that you now want to implement.Sad.:(
A poll tax is a fee one pays for voting. This is evidence that one is paying the costs of the government that is being voted for. It is not asking for more money. It asks only for proof that the voter is a net tax payer. There is no additional cost beyond what one already bears.
 
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A poll tax is a fee one pays for voting. This is evidence that one is paying the costs of the government that is being voted for. It is not asking for more money. It asks only for proof that the voter is a net tax payer. There is no additional cost beyond what one already bears.


Silly me. I coulda sworn that you said this in post #242 “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Note the bolded part, and take a peek at what i underlined .:roll:
 
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Silly me. I coulda sworn that you said this in post #242 “I would like to see one more thing. At every level in order to vote one must prove that one is a net taxpayer. “Note the bolded part, and take a peek at what i underlined .:roll:
Of course. I have consistently said that. To be eligible to vote one must be a citizen and prove one is a net taxpayer for that election.

Every election could have different rules. In some property taxes might be the proof. In others evidence that one made purchases in an area (water, gas, electricity...). For the state level depending on the tax structure it could be the 1040 to show you are a net taxpayer. If there is no income tax them prove you purchased things that require a sales tax.

For the national level prove you are a net tax payer. It should be easy to do. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
 
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Of course. I have consistently said that. To be eligible to vote one must be a citizen and prove one is a net taxpayer for that election.

Every election could have different rules. In some property taxes might be the proof. In others evidence that one made purchases in an area (water, gas, electricity...). For the state level depending on the tax structure it could be the 1040 to show you are a net taxpayer. If there is no income tax them prove you purchased things that require a sales tax.

For the national level prove you are a net tax payer. It should be easy to do. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Now were getting into semantics.Taking the term that YOU USED."Net taxpayer".NET,being the qualifier for, PAYER.
Now lets see how you monkey dance outta this one.This is almost as lame as your ONE TERM PREZ bit.:2wave:
 
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It is not a poll tax. If you haven't paid for government you should have no say in determining how the money is to be spent. On the day you vote you show up with your evidence that you are a net taxpayer.
Each locality would need to create their rules.

Nationally show up with your 1040. If you are a net taxpayer you vote in the national elections. Otherwise you do not.

There are issues well beyond how money is spent that is determined by elections.

Also, I don't know if I really agree that spending and economic policy is determined by what people vote or believe. I think if anything there's a lot of data that suggests there is a wide gap between what most voters believe should be done and what is actually done. The deal that seems to be coming out of this fiscal cliff seems to be completely the opposite of what voters believe should be the result of any deal.
 
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