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Firearm Found Inside Mpls. School Staff Member’s Locker

All us crazies are trying to do is show the loony left that there are other ways to look at a problem.

BTW the teacher in the pic is carrying an assault rifle. But if she were carrying a pistol, she could still effectively defend those children. Just need to compose yourself and aim.

I was talking about the teacher that brought the gun to the school. I find it funny you think that a pistol could defend children against a ar-15 you must not a have a clue about fire power. For years we have heard the same thing from the gun nuts when a shooting occurs. Get more bigger and better guns. Tell me for years this has been preached and we still have these problems so clearly more guns are not the solution.
 
I see problems with arming teachers in general, but not with a very limited select number including officer personnel.

Even cops literally sometimes leave their side arm laying somewhere. Many teachers could be easily overwhelmed on a surprise, that teacher then being the source of the firearm including for some drug wacked out kid or parent.

There are enough people with former military and/or police experience at most schools, that such a background combined with specific training makes "armed security" within the school staff a viable alternative. But there are many questions too, such as what type of firearm so the children aren't also hit. A 45 with a laser sight? 9mm with 15 round mag? Shotgun?

A bring-what-you-got and just having a conceal carry permit is NOT enough. These would have to be specifically qualified and particularly specifically trained staff members with specifically issued firearms. I'd suggest 1911 45acps with laser sights (since most people under stress are terrible handgun shooters, even most cops - but a laser sight addresses that). A big, knockdown bullet BUT with little wall penetrating ability.

For larger schools, why not make the Asst Principle a law enforcement qualified position? Literally have a dual role uniformed officer - who then also address behavior issues in general? Large schools need that anyway.

Thus, to find the right personnel? The first question would be "any former Marines, former Army Rangers, or former law enforcement officers on staff?"
 
Nothing like living in a thrid world country is that what it has come to! I am sure the teacher in question was dumb enough to believe that a pistol would do any good against and assult weapon. Talk about bring a spoon to a knife fight. Wow the crazies are coming out of the wood work,

Before calling someone else dumb in your statements, you might want to consider improving your own knowledge. The skill and bravery of the user is always the difference, not the type of gun, in a close environment.

There is no significant difference between rates of fire for most pistols (very large calibers can slow you down some) vs semi-automatic "assault rifles". With semi-automatic pistols, there is often not even a large difference in capacity. The semi-automatic "assault" rifle will normally have better accuracy, if properly used, and greater range. Once you enter a building, range usually becomes a non factor and at those short ranges, the rifle doesn't offer a significant difference in achievable accuracy. In a close environment, like a room, a pistol can actually be the better and more effective choice, depending of course on caliber of the pistol.

That is why I use my pistol (Dessert Eagle, .44 Mag, three 8 round magazines, 240 grain Hollow-points (I know, too large, but it is the only handgun that naturally fits my hand)) for home defense inside my house, not my M-4 "Assault" rifle (my small/medium sized game hunting rifle and close range deer rifle).
 
You must get whiplash having sworn to protect the Constitution, and then trying to kill the right to keep and bear arms at the same time.

Am I trying to do that? I'm simply pointing out that gun owners should take a second to think about their fairly common mantra of needing guns for those who break the laws, while so many of them break the law themselves in regards to where they bring their weapon.

By the way that oath does not prevent me from having a wide range of political beliefs should I choose to have them, and your opinion on what the Constitution means is not what I've sworn to support and defend
 
Before calling someone else dumb in your statements, you might want to consider improving your own knowledge. The skill and bravery of the user is always the difference, not the type of gun, in a close environment.

There is no significant difference between rates of fire for most pistols (very large calibers can slow you down some) vs semi-automatic "assault rifles". With semi-automatic pistols, there is often not even a large difference in capacity. The semi-automatic "assault" rifle will normally have better accuracy, if properly used, and greater range. Once you enter a building, range usually becomes a non factor and at those short ranges, the rifle doesn't offer a significant difference in achievable accuracy. In a close environment, like a room, a pistol can actually be the better and more effective choice, depending of course on caliber of the pistol.

That is why I use my pistol (Dessert Eagle, .44 Mag, three 8 round magazines, 240 grain Hollow-points (I know, too large, but it is the only handgun that naturally fits my hand)) for home defense inside my house, not my M-4 "Assault" rifle (my small/medium sized game hunting rifle and close range deer rifle).

Oh contraire mon frere.
A rifle has a much better sight plane and accuracy goes up considerably even in close quarters, a plus if children are in the mix. SWAT teams don't enter a building with pistols. few homes have halls as long as a school's or rooms as big as classrooms, and a headshot on a hostage taker is better done with a rifle than pistol, especially your 44 mag. Big difference between your house and a school, (I am with you on home defense pistols), if pistols were better in schools SWAT would go in with them.

Next the proper term for the M-4 is M4, no dash and even more accurately you have an M4orgery, as the M4 is capable of select fire. (I should call my AK an AKish ;) )

Last most savvy 'gun' owners know there are a literal turd ton of aftermarket sleeves that can upscale the grip area of damn near any pistol made. No need to use one of the least handy pistols in home defense unless the larger caliber makes you feel better. (I am willing to bet you have not fired that handcannon in a dark room before- blinding comes to my mind.)
 
Oh contraire mon frere.
A rifle has a much better sight plane and accuracy goes up considerably even in close quarters, a plus if children are in the mix. SWAT teams don't enter a building with pistols. few homes have halls as long as a school's or rooms as big as classrooms, and a headshot on a hostage taker is better done with a rifle than pistol, especially your 44 mag. Big difference between your house and a school, (I am with you on home defense pistols), if pistols were better in schools SWAT would go in with them.

Next the proper term for the M-4 is M4, no dash and even more accurately you have an M4orgery, as the M4 is capable of select fire. (I should call my AK an AKish ;) )

Last most savvy 'gun' owners know there are a literal turd ton of aftermarket sleeves that can upscale the grip area of damn near any pistol made. No need to use one of the least handy pistols in home defense unless the larger caliber makes you feel better. (I am willing to bet you have not fired that handcannon in a dark room before- blinding comes to my mind.)

Ok, tech talk aside, my point is that a pistol vs an "assault" weapon is not the equivalent of bringing a spoon to a knife fight.

You can talk all the technical details and try to confuse that point all you want. But I disagree with some of your points and you are attempting to confuse the real point. You are trying to compare average citizens to a SWAT team. You have introduced "headshot to a hostage taker" which I don't see where you got that from because if it a hostage taker, teachers would of course wait until police arrive instead of taking actions themselves.

Technically I own a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S.

Before purchasing my pistol, I looked at various makes/models/calibers and grip options. Sub compacts I can only grip with 2 fingers instead of 3 and the trigger falls on pad between the second and third joint of my trigger finger. The most comfortable sub-compact to date has been a .40 Baratta sub-compact. Of non-sub compacts, I looked at many different manufactures and in .40, .45, and 10 mm. In each and every case, the trigger would naturally end up somewhere on the third joint of my trigger finger, regardless of grips used. And in many cases my pinky finger would only be partially, not fully on the grip. I knew the DE fit naturally and comfortably without any modification, so although I wanted a 10 mm or a .40, I went back to .44. I simply got tired of searching and having to mod other handguns when an un-modded one would do just fine and I never found a suitable combination of gun/grip mods.

How "handy" it is depends entirely on the individual.
 
Ok, tech talk aside, my point is that a pistol vs an "assault" weapon is not the equivalent of bringing a spoon to a knife fight.

You can talk all the technical details and try to confuse that point all you want. But I disagree with some of your points and you are attempting to confuse the real point. You are trying to compare average citizens to a SWAT team. You have introduced "headshot to a hostage taker" which I don't see where you got that from because if it a hostage taker, teachers would of course wait until police arrive instead of taking actions themselves.

Technically I own a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S.

Before purchasing my pistol, I looked at various makes/models/calibers and grip options. Sub compacts I can only grip with 2 fingers instead of 3 and the trigger falls on pad between the second and third joint of my trigger finger. The most comfortable sub-compact to date has been a .40 Baratta sub-compact. Of non-sub compacts, I looked at many different manufactures and in .40, .45, and 10 mm. In each and every case, the trigger would naturally end up somewhere on the third joint of my trigger finger, regardless of grips used. And in many cases my pinky finger would only be partially, not fully on the grip. I knew the DE fit naturally and comfortably without any modification, so although I wanted a 10 mm or a .40, I went back to .44. I simply got tired of searching and having to mod other handguns when an un-modded one would do just fine and I never found a suitable combination of gun/grip mods.

How "handy" it is depends entirely on the individual.

I never said spoon or knife, so quit tring to type words into my posts.

I was pointing out the technical points those with a bit of know understand and is why certain weapons work better than other in certain environments.

When it comes to pistols if you have a bit more know you would have known the pistol grip sleeves do what you want, are easy to install, difficult to mess up and bring your finger to the proper point better than a naked pistol... FYI those with a bit of know also know the 7 Ps... Proper Prior Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I can use waaaay too much finger in almost every 'snyper' rifle I have gotten behind, however proper practice has my finger automatically going to the porper placement- called muscle memory among the ruck humpers.

My hands are not big but I CAN put way too much finger into the trigger guard of my full sized XD45. training and practice till I have to really work at it to get it wrong. Perhaps you should read a bit on John Farnham.

next they make extended magazines both that hold extra rounds and those that are just 'filler' so no more pinky dangle. The sub compacts are not made for home defense so why bring them into this? They are for concealment, something your hand cannon would never do.

Again proper tool for the job. Doesn't take a lot of technical to see that. You seemed to have gone out of your way to make the 44mag the only possible weapon to use.

Once again I'd ask... have you ever fired your home defense cannon in a dark room?
 
I never said spoon or knife, so quit tring to type words into my posts.

I was pointing out the technical points those with a bit of know understand and is why certain weapons work better than other in certain environments.

When it comes to pistols if you have a bit more know you would have known the pistol grip sleeves do what you want, are easy to install, difficult to mess up and bring your finger to the proper point better than a naked pistol... FYI those with a bit of know also know the 7 Ps... Proper Prior Practice Prevents Piss Poor Performance. I can use waaaay too much finger in almost every 'snyper' rifle I have gotten behind, however proper practice has my finger automatically going to the porper placement- called muscle memory among the ruck humpers.

My hands are not big but I CAN put way too much finger into the trigger guard of my full sized XD45. training and practice till I have to really work at it to get it wrong. Perhaps you should read a bit on John Farnham.

next they make extended magazines both that hold extra rounds and those that are just 'filler' so no more pinky dangle. The sub compacts are not made for home defense so why bring them into this? They are for concealment, something your hand cannon would never do.

Again proper tool for the job. Doesn't take a lot of technical to see that. You seemed to have gone out of your way to make the 44mag the only possible weapon to use.

Once again I'd ask... have you ever fired your home defense cannon in a dark room?

The spoon/knife comment was in the post I was specifically responding to and created the post that you responded to. If you didn't read what I was responding to, how did you plan to keep your statement in context with what I was saying?

Further, yes, a rifle, even a short barrel is going to have greater accuracy than a pistol. But that is not always a practical distinction. If you set a 2 inch group at 50 feet (except hallways, a very long shot inside a building) with a pistol, but set a 1/2 group with a rifle, is there actually a practical difference? I personally cannot set that type of grouping, but I can generally stay in the "black" of the target (approximately 6 inch radius) at 30 yards. Overlay that target with a human center of mass, you get a dead human. If you overlay it over an average human head, I would still hit in the head, just not necessarily a take-down shot. So for me, over approximately 20 yards, there starts to be a practical difference, depending on ammunition type.

In any case, the assertion, made by another not necessarily you, that a pistol is not effective against an "assault" rifle and that the person with the rifle wins every times, is clearly a false statement.

For teachers, what is the practicality of a pistol vs trying to lug around a rifle? If, with few exceptions there is no practical difference in the ability to adequately respond to an armed aggressor, then go with portability and availability.

There is a huge difference between your reference to a rifle trigger position under conditions where you actually have time to think and check, vs in the dark at night with an intruder in your house with fear and adrenaline pumping up you system. Hey, if we could all afford the amount of practice to ensure that kind of muscle memory under those conditions, great. Some of us cannot afford that kind of practice, even with a .22.

As I stated, I tried different things. And my intent was to purchase a .40 or 10 mm, but after over a year of searching and trying as many combos as I could, I got frustrated and just made a decision.
 
I was talking about the teacher that brought the gun to the school. I find it funny you think that a pistol could defend children against a ar-15 you must not a have a clue about fire power. For years we have heard the same thing from the gun nuts when a shooting occurs. Get more bigger and better guns. Tell me for years this has been preached and we still have these problems so clearly more guns are not the solution.
At the ranges most engagements are likely to occur at within gun free buildings handguns are fine. The goal is not to have one-on-one engagements. The goal is for the targeting problem to be very difficult. We do not want one obvious person to have a concealed carry permit. We want dozens of school workers to be trained and armed for their self defense.

How many guns were present at Sandy Hook?
More guns in the hands of the right people, the school workers, might have been the right answer. If you goal is to prevent mass killings then more guns carried by more people is a good answer. If you have some other goal then you will also likely have some other answer.
 
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At the ranges most engagements are likely to occur at within gun free buildings handguns are fine. The goal is not to have one-on-one engagements. The goal is for the targeting problem to be very difficult. We do not want one obvious person to have a concealed carry permit. we want dozens of school workers to be trained and armed for their self defense.

How many guns were present at Sandy Hook?
More guns in the hands of the right people, the school workers, might have been the right answer. If you goal is to prevent mass killings then more guns carried by more people is a good answer. If you have some other goal then you will also likely have some other answer.

Honestly, I wouldn't even bother with Tara.
 
At the ranges most engagements are likely to occur at within gun free buildings handguns are fine. The goal is not to have one-on-one engagements. The goal is for the targeting problem to be very difficult. We do not want one obvious person to have a concealed carry permit. We want dozens of school workers to be trained and armed for their self defense.

How many guns were present at Sandy Hook?
More guns in the hands of the right people, the school workers, might have been the right answer. If you goal is to prevent mass killings then more guns carried by more people is a good answer. If you have some other goal then you will also likely have some other answer.

So then explain Columbine and the Arizona shooting both had guns in the right hand and nothing happen. I do recall in Arizona it was an unarmed man that tackled the gun man. Seem to me you aree grasping at air trying to prove a point. Just like anytime there is a shooting the NRA and the rights answer is more guns. Talk about beating your head against the wall
 
So then explain Columbine and the Arizona shooting both had guns in the right hand and nothing happen. I do recall in Arizona it was an unarmed man that tackled the gun man. Seem to me you aree grasping at air trying to prove a point. Just like anytime there is a shooting the NRA and the rights answer is more guns. Talk about beating your head against the wall

How can you point to a few instances and use those few as proof that guns do not help? When someone holds back a crazie for a few seconds cant that maybe save someone else's life?

I assume most these massacres don't involve the crazies being decked out head to toe in armor. But even if so, look at the North Hollywood Bank shootout. Zero deaths and 1 of the gunmen killed before the cops got a high power weapon. It seems like your argument is "Not everyone is a CoD hero incarnated into the real world, getting 50 headshots on someone with a Juggernaut Perk" When you cant deny the fact that guns help keep crazies with guns at bay.

"I seen 2 videos of a bully knocking some geeks out so self defense doesn't work" is the translation I'm getting.
 
How can you point to a few instances and use those few as proof that guns do not help? When someone holds back a crazie for a few seconds cant that maybe save someone else's life?

I assume most these massacres don't involve the crazies being decked out head to toe in armor. But even if so, look at the North Hollywood Bank shootout. Zero deaths and 1 of the gunmen killed before the cops got a high power weapon. It seems like your argument is "Not everyone is a CoD hero incarnated into the real world, getting 50 headshots on someone with a Juggernaut Perk" When you cant deny the fact that guns help keep crazies with guns at bay.

"I seen 2 videos of a bully knocking some geeks out so self defense doesn't work" is the translation I'm getting.

I pointed to two and you could only point to one so tell me how is your view any better. I could have named a number of events yet it is no use with Republicans they are hell bent on ruining this country either by God, Gun, or bankruptcy!
 
I pointed to two and you could only point to one so tell me how is your view any better. I could have named a number of events yet it is no use with Republicans they are hell bent on ruining this country either by God, Gun, or bankruptcy!

*shakes my head* Just stop.
 
So then explain Columbine and the Arizona shooting both had guns in the right hand and nothing happen. I do recall in Arizona it was an unarmed man that tackled the gun man. Seem to me you aree grasping at air trying to prove a point. Just like anytime there is a shooting the NRA and the rights answer is more guns. Talk about beating your head against the wall

I, for one, am not making sense of this. Are you saying that, other than the shooters, there was another armed person at these attacks who did not shoot the perpetrator/s?

If so, then perhaps I missed that article/s that mentioned that fact.
 
We all have the right to defend ourselves. That right includes teachers. We can deal with the right of self defense as a separate issue form their being members in public sector unions.

yes we do, but as the courts say not with a firearm in all places. We have gone over the list plenty enough times. Now instead of thinking of a firearm in the hands of amateurs, perhaps pepper spray could have ended the gunman's shooting spree, at least made it a lot more difficult.

One rather disquieting new aspect has been the use of body armor by the 'crazed' gunman- not too crazy to think of that- so it would take a head or femur artery shot to be somewhat quick about ending the shooting spree. Even taking out a leg won't stop the shooter if he is determined. (If you use the most loonies are ******s then pepper spray becomes an effective option)

It isn't the Teachers are Union members as must as right wing radicals are always decrying these Union folks as commies bent on undermining the Constitution, planting socialism, making us a nation of takers rather than rugged individualists who believe you will only git mah 'gun' when you pry it out of my cold, dead fingers.

So many right wingers have spent so much time regurgitating such tripe it is amusing to now see them thinking enough teachers will arm themselves to do on the cheap what should be done by professionals.
 
Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.
 
Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.

Hmmm...

Maybe you are right. If those old folks...those grandmas are as addled as you make them out to be, we probably shouldn't be letting them near our kids under ANY circumstances. Especially not to teach them.
 
especially those addled old biddies that think FDR saved the nation with his socialist manifesto... ;)
 
Somehow I don't think Stop or My Mom Will Shoot was meant to actually be a documentary about how gun owners can save the world. Sorry, but no one out there made grandma a cop, or even trained her in responsible procedures for stopping an armed gunmen. instead about the only thing I could see the dimwitted old woman doing is endangering the lives and safety of the kids and teachers in the school by bringing a loaded gun onto campus where she is much more likely to accidentally discharge it and hit another person than to actually ever face down an armed gunmen.

It just amazes me how some people thinking an elderly armed woman is actrually going to do much along the lines of stopping a rampaging madman when the gun is in her friggen locker. Gee, I hope the killer has the courtesy to attack while she is placing or removing the gun from her locker, otherwise it is pretty much a gigantic waste of time on all levels.

I wish gun owners would get it through their heads, you are not heroes. You are not going to save lives. You are a danger to your self and others when you act in such foolish fashion. No one asked you to do a damned thing, and you will only be in the way if you try. Yet more evidence that most gun users cannot behave responsibly with their weapons and that because there is only a small minority of them that can make logical, rational, and wise decisions with their firearms that we need to remove those firearms from their possession because they are clearly not able to behave with them. Oh, and also that the elderly need to be restricted from doing things that endanger society like driving, owning firearms, and anything else where their age softened brains cause them to do radically idiotic things.

ROFLMAO.

You deny that armed intervention ever saved lives, even though very recently it did. In Oklahoma City, one of the places I live part-time, it is not unusual or even that rare that the intruder during home invasions comes out on the losing end.

You accuse all gun owners of "wanting to be heroes" even though a large number of them, I would say the vast majority of them, are happy to never ever have to fire their personal protection arms in anger. Not to mention that with the "Troops to Teachers" program, some of those teachers are proven heroes, already. Many, many gun owners are veterans.

Yes, it is so difficult to figure out how to down a gunman. Lets see, take stance with most of body behind some kind of barricade. Lift weapon to firing position and disengage safety. Line up the front post with the notch in rear sight (if you have a glock or similar, make the three dots form a straight line) over the center mass of shooter, hold breath and squeeze the trigger. Repeat until gunman is down and no longer firing. To be more effective, please practice the technique at the local range.

This woman broke the law. In doing so, she should be arrested. But, with the media coverage and a bit of support, maybe, just maybe, she can now force the issue through the courts and we might even see SCOTUS take up the issue.
 
Or.......
You could lend a little bit of perspective on life:
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Yes, i agree, why don't we take up Isreal's gun laws.

1. You have to get a permit for each gun you own and part of your application process is to show you have need of a gun. I like guns is not a valid reason either.
2. In order to be approved for your firearm you need to go through training, strict police investigation, and even go through medical evaluation.
3. You have to re-apply every 3 years and your application is not guaranteed. This re-application requires all the same testing and training as your original application.


So yeah, that sounds good. plus Isreal limits their approval to areas of war like conflict which are in close proximity to palestine and syria. That teacher's purpose for having a firearm is to protect the children in case of a terrorist attack, not for the crazy psycho who might shoot up a school as most Isreali schools do not have gun weilding teachers. Isfreal refuses over 80 percent of gun license applications. isreal does not consider gun ownership to be a right of the people.

I can pretty much go along with those types of restrictions.

Of course, I don't know if I would trust my kid to someone with a rifle slung over their shoulder. I have heard enough stories of gun idiiots shooting themselves or their kids in poor handling of their firearms to rely on that person being one of the safe ones. I also do not know about putting a person in charge of a bunch of curious children, and then having a loaded firearm around. kids are curious and that just seems like a recipe for disaster here in america. Perhaps isreal's teachers are better educated on gun safety, but i have talked to american teachers, and i am far from impressed by their intelligence on the subjects they are certified to teach. I am certainly not going to be to keen on their education on gun dangers. i mean half these teaching dolts think creationism is a friggen fact. i don't need them praying the bullet wound away instead of calling 911 because they thought god was better at fixing my child than a doctor.

But hey, I would give it a chance if, like this guy suggested, we go to a Isreali stance on gun ownership.
 
ROFLMAO.

You deny that armed intervention ever saved lives, even though very recently it did. In Oklahoma City, one of the places I live part-time, it is not unusual or even that rare that the intruder during home invasions comes out on the losing end.

Yeah, i do. gee, a minority of the time. Actually less than one percent of crime is prevented by armed intervention by a citizen. So no you are still not a hero, and you are more likely to get robbged, shoot yourself, shoot someone innocent, or just plain not be around your gun than you are to ever act as a hero. No, quit claiming because it happened once you are some sort of hero for owning a gun. Even the VP of the US is more likely to shoot someone in the face than to stop someone from harming him.
You accuse all gun owners of "wanting to be heroes" even though a large number of them, I would say the vast majority of them, are happy to never ever have to fire their personal protection arms in anger. Not to mention that with the "Troops to Teachers" program, some of those teachers are proven heroes, already. Many, many gun owners are veterans.

You just tried to make them into heroes twice. No I do not think blowing away some kids in the middle east with a guided missile from miles away makes an armed vetran a hero. First responders, cops, and EMTs are heroes. The modern US military is not a hero, and BTW is one of the actual reasons our founding fathers wanted the states to have a well armed militia because they saw federal troops of the US to be the biggest enemy to freedom we face. before you keep on arguing they are heroes and telling me I should be proud of them think about how big the pile of patriotic thoughtless BS that you are shoveling is.
Yes, it is so difficult to figure out how to down a gunman. Lets see, take stance with most of body behind some kind of barricade. Lift weapon to firing position and disengage safety. Line up the front post with the notch in rear sight (if you have a glock or similar, make the three dots form a straight line) over the center mass of shooter, hold breath and squeeze the trigger. Repeat until gunman is down and no longer firing. To be more effective, please practice the technique at the local range.

Now you have made me LMAO. here is how it goes when you deal with moving targets that don't shoot back. Idiot with a gun hears gunshots, run's half a mile, digs load of crap out of shorts, pulls out gun, freaks out and sprays bullets blindly into crowd of fleeing victims of original shooter. You shot targets so you think you know what it is like to be under attack by a real gunman. Especially one that has an assault rifle and some handguns while you sport your easily jammed cheapo pistol. You are not a hero. If you are unlucky enough to actually be there and armed in this situation you are a panicky shaky ball of nerves and adrenaline who will snap fire at most anything that moves in your stark terror at the thought of an armed gunman. This is why we don't want you armed. We know where the actual gunman is, and we don't need to be shot in the back or whuile we are running by you fumbling with your gun and pittling yourself.

You guys have got to stop this heroic rambo routine. You are not rambo. you do not keep your cool in a live fire situation. You are not saving a world full of kids, and you will most likely be responsible for running little kids over as you dash for safety than anything else in the situation. I have seen you heroic types cowering in fear over paint filled geletin capsules that don't cause death. I have seen you shoot your friends on your team because you were scared ****less. i have seen you panick and run face first into trees. I have seen you bobble your gun and blind fire out of terror. I have seen you pant and wheeze after 15 steps of running with your gun. I have seen you take cover behind twigs.
This woman broke the law. In doing so, she should be arrested. But, with the media coverage and a bit of support, maybe, just maybe, she can now force the issue through the courts and we might even see SCOTUS take up the issue.

No, what she just did is show us all the stupidity of gun owners by committing a felony with her pistol. She will be arrested. She will be tried and convicted. her gun will be taken from her, and her house will be searched for any other firearms. She will never own a gun again because she will be a convicted felon. She will pay fines, lawyers fees, and most likely spend a few years paying the probation department for the joy of going there. She will be restricted in drinking and any drug use will have to not only be reviewed by her doctor, but also by some idiot probation officer. She might even spend some time in jail for her troubles. All so she could put a gun in her locker which she would never get to while the school is locked down during an armed attack. unlike the heroic teachers who died trying to protect the children in CT, she will try to abandon the kids to get to her locker which will be in a room that is locked up because the school is locked down. In her wandering through the halls she will probably end up another victim while her unsupervised children will probably get killed because they are not locked down and are easy victims.

Quit living in gun fantasy land. Seriously, grandma with a gun is not even a concerned for a heavily armed suicidal attacker. She will hesitate if she actually has her gun and is there. If she gets a shot off it will be shaky and miss. meanwhile her only chance is that the shooter is paralized with fits of uncontrollable laughter and the authorities get there before he can recover and arrest him. She would have better luck stripping naked and trying to cause him to asphyxiate on his own vomit after seeing her sagging grandma naughty bits.
 
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