No, both are actually correct. It is ineffective and immoral. There is no logical problem noting this. By insinuating that there is, you do create a strawman. You may disagree with one or both, but not that one has to argue one or he other.
I didn't insinuate there was a logical problem, I insinuated it was funny. Do you even know what a strawman is?
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I insinuated it was funny cause it reminded me of girls in high school:
Girl #1: I hate Emily, she's a moron!
Girl #2: Oh, she's actually on the Dean's List this semester...
Girl #1: She's ugly, though!
Girl #2: A lot of guys say she's really hot.
Girl #1: It's probably cause she's a slut!
Girl #2: I think she's actually only kissed that one guy, I'm sure she's never done anything more with anyone else.
Girl #1: She's a bitch, she talks behind people's backs.
Girl #2: I've never heard her do that...
Girl #1: Hey, do you like Justin Beiber?
Girl #2: Uhhh...no.
Girl #1:
EMILY ****ING LOVES HIM! Let's hate her together.
It's just an example of people being against something and throwing any argument they can at it? Immoral? No, you don't agree?
THEN IT DOESN'T WORK. Sadly, Boo, the experts don't agree. Maybe people who say torture can work sometimes like Justin Beiber, though, so you can try to attack them with that.
So what is YOUR argument? Assuming you can state it in a sentence or 3?
I already stated it. Did you miss it? Use what works. Making someone physically uncomfortable is fourth down the list, after making them want to help you out of ideology (#1), making them want to help you for a reward, usually financial (#2), making them help you only because you put them in emotional distress (#3). But the idea that there's
NEVER EVER a time in which #1-3 would fail but #4 would not is ****ing laughable. Why would someone even propose such an argument?
Well, probably because
don't you just hate Emily! (They try to use anything they can to support their argument, even if it makes virtually zero sense)
That assault is legal under certain conditions? Conditions to be determined by some government talking head? Some government sycophant? As long as there is a memorandum signed by a superior officer, any sort of human mistreatment is legal?
What? I don't give a **** about morality. Don't care. We all have it, it's all subjective: why bother arguing about it? On that note, my favorite movie is Mrs Doubtfire. Yours? Actually, who cares, it too is all subjective.