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Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online

'She would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him:' Dysfunctional relationship of Sandy Hook gunman and his mother

Nancy Lanza portrayed as 'survivalist' who stockpiled food, water and guns
She was shot four times in the head, possibly as she slept, by her son
Collection of guns included handguns, assault rifle and two hunting rifles
Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms
Friend: Mrs Lanza 'would get very upset that he wouldn’t let her hug him'

Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.
 
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Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Police say a member of Adam’s family – probably his brother – has told them he suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism.

Really? Suffered?
 
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Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online



Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.

there is not enough here for me to say Aspie or not, but the seclusion thing is a part of the deal. Parents have to get use to this. Austistic kids do not like to be touched especially those lower on the spectrum.

IF this person was low end AI then it could be that he saw nothing wrong with what he did. But then why kill himself. Remorse, Unlikely not part of the profile. Curious.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Yes, Asperger's inhibits social interaction, a normal human function, to be deprived of that is to suffer.

The person does not suffer because they see thier responses as normal. Its not a disease its a neurological, behavioral and learning disorder. Aspies see themselves as NORMAL and the rest of you are off, so no big deal to them. HFA Autistics however and some higher functioning Aspies like me enjoy human contact, but we are the minority.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Well, Fiddy- it's pretty apparent that he was suffering from something.

It's a poor choice of words, which implies that Asperger's is a bad thing and needs sympathy, perhaps even fear (if you start making the connections between those searching for quick correlations and overgeneralizing the conclusions they can derive from those correlations).

Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum, and many people have it (I have something very similar to it). My old college roommate had it. Now, while I did not have a great experience with him, those negatives were not so much Aspergers' as it was about his own conscious choices.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Yes, Asperger's inhibits social interaction, a normal human function, to be deprived of that is to suffer.

Then I would be suffering from what I have. I don't.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

It's a poor choice of words, which implies that Asperger's is a bad thing and needs sympathy, perhaps even fear (if you start making the connections between those searching for quick correlations and overgeneralizing the conclusions they can derive from those correlations).
Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum, and many people have it (I have something very similar to it). My old college roommate had it. Now, while I did not have a great experience with him, those negatives were not so much Aspergers' as it was about his own conscious choices.

The bolded is exactly what many people are proposing to do, with the gun control issue. There is a sizeable number of people who would like to see restrictions placed on people who have what we consider *abnormal* mental and psychological functional status. Whether or not we can call Asperger's something that one "suffers" from, seems to be in the eye of the beholder. I personally think that suffering happens across the board, to differing degrees, and to place people in high-risk categories, based on a history of diagnoses, is a slippery slope, and uncalled for, as there are multiple factors which play into any one individual's mental stability, at any given point in time.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Why is owning 5 firearms "gun crazed?" Is this the new political social labeling of the left against gun owners? I think
just about everyone in my family as at least five - probably several more. This labeling is extreme, its also very misguided
as most gun owners are dedicated to their country, friends and families as much as anyone.


Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online



Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

The bolded is exactly what many people are proposing to do, with the gun control issue.

Why, yes. People become a bit more hyped up during such tragedies. Nevertheless, I consider the consequences of this sort of stigma to be much more detrimental than gun control.

There is a sizeable number of people who would like to see restrictions placed on people who have what we consider *abnormal* mental and psychological functional status.

Yes. From eugenicists to a fearful general public. It's a general tendency that has subsided through the generations, but has always stuck around.

Whether or not we can call Asperger's something that one "suffers" from, seems to be in the eye of the beholder. I personally think that suffering happens across the board, to differing degrees, and to place people in high-risk categories, based on a history of diagnoses, is a slippery slope, and uncalled for, as there are multiple factors which play into any one individual's mental stability, at any given point in time.

Usually those who make those claims about people "suffering" from the disorder are those without the disorder or school of disorders in question.

It is a slippery slope. People need to keep in mind that it could be any number of things that happened to this young man, and they can possibly work simultaneity. Sometimes it's a lack of options in the mental health field, sometimes it's bad choices he himself had made, sometimes it becomes some of a parenting issue, sometimes you don't know.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

The person does not suffer because they see thier responses as normal. Its not a disease its a neurological, behavioral and learning disorder. Aspies see themselves as NORMAL and the rest of you are off, so no big deal to them. HFA Autistics however and some higher functioning Aspies like me enjoy human contact, but we are the minority.

I never said it was a disease, I know it's neurological, you can suffer from something even if it's not a disease.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Yes, Asperger's inhibits social interaction, a normal
human function, to be deprived of that is to suffer.

I have a son who was diagnosed Aspergers.

To say someone suffers from it is to speak from a position of ignorance.

He's extremely bright and a very happy kid. He's the sweetest kindest kid we have and was starting Algebra 2 at the end of his 3rd grade semester.

Tested in 4rth grade with a 143 IQ.

The shooter Friday didn't typify a Aspergers type of mentallity.

They are shy and innately locked into a schedule. Withdrawn and not the type to go out and plan any violent action.

A lot of scientist, physicist, engineers and mathmeticians are "Aspy's"

They dont suffer what they're not interested in and their interest usually winds up being the focal point of their existance.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Really? Suffered?

Stop making something out of nothing. You damn good and well how "suffer" is being used here.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Stop making something out of nothing. You damn good and well how "suffer" is being used here.

I do know damn good how it was being used. It meant the exact opposite of what is proper. Oh, it brings attention to mental health and disability, alright, but it does so with the exact wrong approach.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

People speculated to have Aspergers

Albert Einstein


Alexander Grahm Bell

Benjamin Franklin

Abraham Lincoln

Bobby Fischer

Franz Kafka

People known to have it or had it and grew out of it

Adam Young ( Owl City )

Dan Akroyd

Dawn Prince Hughes Phd

Daryll Hannah
 
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Don't know how many of them are true

Do you care?

...and the source of the new info about Nancy Lanza is...wait for it...Friend of the family Rich Collins who drank in a bar with Adam Lanza's mother

Dear God, are they going to go find her dry cleaner for quotes next? People who were parked next to her at stoplights?
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

Why is owning 5 firearms "gun crazed?" Is this the new political social labeling of the left against gun owners? I think
just about everyone in my family as at least five - probably several more. This labeling is extreme, its also very misguided
as most gun owners are dedicated to their country, friends and families as much as anyone.

Is it just "slightly" ironic that a person with "gun" in their username would "question" the "labeling" of owning 5 firearms as "gun crazed"? LOL......
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

I have a son who was diagnosed Aspergers.

To say someone suffers from it is to speak from a position of ignorance.

He's extremely bright and a very happy kid. He's the sweetest kindest kid we have and was starting Algebra 2 at the end of his 3rd grade semester.

Tested in 4rth grade with a 143 IQ.

The shooter Friday didn't typify a Aspergers type of mentallity.

They are shy and innately locked into a schedule. Withdrawn and not the type to go out and plan any violent action.

A lot of scientist, physicist, engineers and mathmeticians are "Aspy's"

They dont suffer what they're not interested in and their interest usually winds up being the focal point of their existance.

If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

If you have a disorder that makes you abnormal, you're suffering. I don't mean that you experience pain or anything of the sort, like apdst said, you know how suffering is being used, it's a common phrase in the English language.

to undergo or feel pain or distress: The patient is still suffering.
2.
to sustain injury, disadvantage, or loss: One's health suffers from overwork. The business suffers from lack of capital.
3.
to undergo a penalty, as of death: The traitor was made to suffer on the gallows.
4.
to endure pain, disability, death, etc., patiently or willingly.

Come now.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

I never said it was a disease, I know it's neurological, you can suffer from something even if it's not a disease.

No I know you didn't and if I ruffled feathers I apologize. Its just that me and a few other DD people on this are tired of the neanderthals calling it that.

As for the suffering part. if you are unaware of the dilema are you still 'suffering". I am not nor is any DD person I know. We are just here. Suffering implies mental anquish or distress among other things. Although I agree there may be this element it is not from the disorder but the social reactions to it. thus we are not suffering from the disorder but from the social stigma attached to it.
Not exactly the same.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

I have a son who was diagnosed Aspergers.

To say someone suffers from it is to speak from a position of ignorance.

He's extremely bright and a very happy kid. He's the sweetest kindest kid we have and was starting Algebra 2 at the end of his 3rd grade semester.

Tested in 4rth grade with a 143 IQ.

The shooter Friday didn't typify a Aspergers type of mentallity.

They are shy and innately locked into a schedule. Withdrawn and not the type to go out and plan any violent action.

A lot of scientist, physicist, engineers and mathmeticians are "Aspy's"

They dont suffer what they're not interested in and their interest usually winds up being the focal point of their existance.

Right on. very well put and after doing some research I believe this person was low end or mid line Autistic. Poor social skills, resistance to social contact, introverted in the extreme. I would imagine his stress and emotional tolerance were near zero most of the time.

From what I have heard I don't think his mom was much help in his socialization.
 
Re: Dam Lanza - Aperger's Syndrome and "dysfunctional (my title)

It's a poor choice of words, which implies that Asperger's is a bad thing and needs sympathy, perhaps even fear (if you start making the connections between those searching for quick correlations and overgeneralizing the conclusions they can derive from those correlations).

Asperger's is on the Autism spectrum, and many people have it (I have something very similar to it). My old college roommate had it. Now, while I did not have a great experience with him, those negatives were not so much Aspergers' as it was about his own conscious choices.

I am Aspie as is my son, father, brother, nephew. Except for my son we live productive lives and have families and kids. My sons issues are more related to the way he was treated by the school system down here than anything else. He also has something called Agenisis of the Corpus Collosum which results in him being intellectually stuck as an adolescent for the rest of his life.

As I just said in another post after reading more I do not think this person was Aspie. I believe he was either low or mid range Autistic and that has very different issues associated with it.

I still wonder if he thought what he was doing was wrong or just a means to an end. People with this level of disability are almost entirely black and white.
 
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Nancy Lanza: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Sandy Hook, Connecticut killing spree? | Mail Online



Lot's of tidbits in the DailyMail piece. Don't know how many of them are true but I will say this about the DM, it may tend to sensationalize headlines but it's underlying facts usually have some truth to them.

IDK. Like somebody on one of the shows this weekend or in an interview I read, I forget which, made it sound like she often organized and hosted the dice games in her home and spent a lot of time decorating it for holidays. Hard to tell. There is too much conflicting information on these folks in terms of tone and facts.
 
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