• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter

TurtleDude said:
and many of us would see people like you as primary targets in such a war
Click to expand...

So your saying you would shoot unarmed civilians to maintain your right to own guns... very nice! Do you speak for all gun owners?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
You cannot legalize "hard" drugs effectively, because nobody would go into their "recreational use" production for fear of lawsuits, no matter how many "warning labels" you affix. Can you imgaine a manufacturer of heroine, cocaine, extascy or meth lasting more than a month or two before getting sued? Now weed may get legalized, since it is far less of an addictive poison, but the "hard" drugs - no way.
Click to expand...

I certainly would not legalize it in that sense. My flavor of legalization would be more or less decriminalization.
 
It doesn't matter if they are addicting or not, that is not the argument he is trying to make. He is trying to say that banning drugs or alcohol does not work, so what makes you think putting a ban on guns would? A criminal is gonna get them no matter what. I would also like to add, if guns were banned you would just create another business for the cartels, as well as destroy the economy more.
 
Capster78 said:
This source of gun trafficking pales in comparison to what occurs between legal owners / distributors and illegal owners.
Click to expand...
How do you know when we only find out about the botched operations?
 
TurtleDude said:
you think a a few thousand pilots or tankers are immune from millions of people armed with extremely accurate rifles and that those individuals can live in their planes and tanks ad infinitum?

do you think that the people who push such a war are immune as well

I hate to clue you in on reality but there are people out there -that if they can see you up to a mile a way can kill you with a single rifle shot. and for many of them a quarter mile is a chip shot. you think you can stay 800 yards away from anyone for a long length of time?
Click to expand...

Im scared. While the government can see you from thousands of miles away and can accurately take you out from even further if it had to. I don't think your mile away sharp shooters have anything that can combat that. Either way, the situation you suggest would never occur because the government would never declare war on the populace.
 
Capster78 said:
So your saying you would shoot unarmed civilians to maintain your right to own guns... very nice! Do you speak for all gun owners?
Click to expand...

I am saying if we are at war, those who instigated the war would be legitimate targets

you cannot sit behind your computer demanding the government kill and jail people for owning guns and if that nightmare happens, then claim its unfair if some gun owner decides to splatter your head all over the computer that you have been using to demand a war on gun owners.
 
TurtleDude said:
we are a lot safer than places where only the government and criminals have a monopoly on firepower.
Click to expand...

:roll:
Governments that have much tougher firearm controls are a lot safer than us.
 
Capster78 said:
Im scared. While the government can see you from thousands of miles away and can accurately take you out from even further if it had to. I don't think your mile away sharp shooters have anything that can combat that. Either way, the situation you suggest would never occur because the government would never declare war on the populace.
Click to expand...


remind me of your military experience or your civilian law enforcement experience

are you a college kid or a HS kid talking like this?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
How do you know when we only find out about the botched operations?
Click to expand...

Do you have any proof that would support the accusations that there is some kind of undeground opperation between law enforcement and criminals to that vast of a scale?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
:roll:
Governments that have much tougher firearm controls are a lot safer than us.
Click to expand...

like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?

do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me of your military experience or your civilian law enforcement experience

are you a college kid or a HS kid talking like this?
Click to expand...

No, but I am intimately familiar with military capabilities. Thats all you need to know.
 
Capster78 said:
I certainly would not legalize it in that sense. My flavor of legalization would be more or less decriminalization.
Click to expand...

It may lower the "street cost" a bit (helping curb addict property crime somewhat) but violent crime "turf wars" would still exist and that still means no taxation, and no age of buyer or quality/dosage control.
 
TurtleDude said:
like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?

do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?
Click to expand...

Actually, china does have a vastly lower crime rate than we do.. The other countries are in the middle of civil unrest, so of course their numbers are higher.
 
Capster78 said:
Actually, china does have a vastly lower crime rate than we do.. The other countries are in the middle of civil unrest, so of course their numbers are higher.
Click to expand...

and china murders thousands of its own citizens with impunity. what do you think would have happened the US government did what the PRC did in Tiananmen square
 
TurtleDude said:
like China? or Mexico? or Columbia? or South Africa?
Click to expand...
EFFECTIVE GUN control in industrialized modernized states with an adequate police force.

do you consider government sanctioned atrocities to be crime?
Click to expand...
Yes i do, crimes against humanity. But i can see where going down this jaconian path....
 
Capster78 said:
Thats fine with me. Id rather you believe that than tell you what I know :)
Click to expand...



I think that is about as likely as your claim of being a centrist. and if you work for the government you are in violation that you took to uphold and defend the constitution.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It may lower the "street cost" a bit (helping curb addict property crime somewhat) but violent crime "turf wars" would still exist and that still means no taxation, and no age of buyer or quality/dosage control.
Click to expand...

Well, it would be much harder for them to have these "turf wars" if obtaining weapons were much harder and as a result much more expensive along with the decline in profit from drug sales to purchase weapons.. This would make it much more difficult for these things to occur.
 
TurtleDude said:
I think that is about as likely as your claim of being a centrist. and if you work for the government you are in violation that you took to uphold and defend the constitution.
Click to expand...

What am I in violation of?
 
what i find amazing is that lefties claim to be for the "common man" or the average person yet they only want the rich and those well connected to be able to have weapons sufficient to protect against crime

its disgusting
 
Capster78 said:
Do you have any proof that would support the accusations that there is some kind of undeground opperation between law enforcement and criminals to that vast of a scale?
Click to expand...
Do you have proof that millions, thousands, or even hundreds of legal PERSONAL gun owners are constantly and haphazardly equipping criminals? Would a big time gang leader/mafia don seek to steal guns from normal people 1 by 1? Or seek to buy out 1 to a handful of people close to the manufacturer or some entity with a means to accrue vast amounts of guns?
 
TurtleDude said:
what i find amazing is that lefties claim to be for the "common man" or the average person yet they only want the rich and those well connected to be able to have weapons sufficient to protect against crime

its disgusting
Click to expand...

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Yup TD thats what all "lefties want".
 
TurtleDude said:
and china murders thousands of its own citizens with impunity. what do you think would have happened the US government did what the PRC did in Tiananmen square
Click to expand...

Again... you may want to check the wiring in your bunker. THEY MAY BE LISTENING!!!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom