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presluc said:
If there are 2 politicians running for office and 1 is for less gun control and the other is for more gun control and the only ones voting is the people that have the right to buy guns would there be some bias in that election???:peace
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That makes no sense at all.

1) Do you want convicted felons and the criminally insane to vote?

2) Do you trust these fine citizens with the right to vote yet would deny them the right to own guns?

3) Do you want the very people with their gun rights limitted to vote for limitting the gun rights of others out of revenge?
 
presluc said:
My circle is America and it's people , what's your's.?
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Clearly, you jest.
You're basing your statement on having the right to own a gun = more likely to vote for a pro-gun candidate.
If you need me to explain how this is unsound, its clear you are not really worth my time.
 
The Mark said:
What are we agreeing to disagree on?
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I'm not one to back down when I make a mistake I'm sorry it seems I took your post the wrong way the fault is mine.

I thought you were saying like all you need is freedom and bingo happiness is right there.

That's like Lennon singing "all you need is love" but love without shelter, food or water basic needs is well?

Freedom is the same way you are free you are broke you have nothing, no place to stay no food to eat but you are free???:peace
 
H. Lee White said:
Clearly, you jest.
You're basing your statement on having the right to own a gun = more likely to vote for a pro-gun candidate.
If you need me to explain how this is unsound, its clear you are not really worth my time.
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See that part in the white vobove your statement , says presluc that means it's to me.
I have responded to your post and answered your questions more than you have answered mine.

If you say I'm not worthy of your chatter, well let me put it this way I'm not going out and rent my clothes and gnash my teeth over that statement, so you don't want to talk to me, STEP OFF.:peace
 
presluc said:
See that part in the white vobove your statement , says presluc that means it's to me.
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I guess I -do- have to explain it to you.

Everyone that has a right to vote also has the right to own a gun.
If your premise were sound, pro-gun candidtes would win the majority of elections.
Clearly that is not the case, and so your premise is proven unsound.
 
Moot said:
Perhaps if the victims of gun violence were allowed to sue the gun manufacturers who by and large are the ones mainly responsible for promoting the gun violence and profiting the most off the blood of gun violence victims, then perhaps they wouldn't have had the incentive to keep promoting those types of weapons to vulnerable, gullible, law abiding citizens like Nancy Lanza.


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What the? Did the weapons malfunction? Did they fail to live up to what they are advertised to do? Did the person firing the weapon not know that if fired at people that it is likely to result in injury or death?

Did the maker of these guns explicitly advertise as the best weapon to kill children with?

This is nonsense. "profiting off of gun violence" Good grief. :roll:
 
H. Lee White said:
I guess I -do- have to explain it to you.

Everyone that has a right to vote also has the right to own a gun.
If your premise were sound, pro-gun candidtes would win the majority of elections.
Clearly that is not the case, and so your premise is proven unsound.
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So does this mean I'M WORTHY AGAIN? LOL

I was under the impression you were leaving.


In response to your post you don't have to do anything AT LEAST NOT FOR ME.

After all any person that would support the selling of guns to people on medication for depression or bi polar disorder.
I'M AFRAID I WOULD HAVE TO QUESTION THEIR MORALS AND ETHICS.
Also their explanations.

In short I think it is you that are unworthy to give me any information that I haven't already heard.
 
j-mac said:
This is nonsense. "profiting off of gun violence" Good grief. :roll:
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Moot isn't concerned with protecting innocent people, he's only interested in disarming the law abiding.
He gleefully uses the blood of 20 schoolkids to support his cause.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That makes no sense at all.

1) Do you want convicted felons and the criminally insane to vote?

2) Do you trust these fine citizens with the right to vote yet would deny them the right to own guns?

3) Do you want the very people with their gun rights limitted to vote for limitting the gun rights of others out of revenge?
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Sorry missed your post.
My response is simple.
Which would you rather have visit your home or workplace an avid metally ill voter with a voters registration,OR
AN AVID MENTALLY ILL PERSON WITH AN AR 15 AND A GLOCK AND A sig?

Think hard now don't hurt yourself.:peace
 
j-mac said:
What the? Did the weapons malfunction? Did they fail to live up to what they are advertised to do? Did the person firing the weapon not know that if fired at people that it is likely to result in injury or death?

Did the maker of these guns explicitly advertise as the best weapon to kill children with?

This is nonsense. "profiting off of gun violence" Good grief. :roll:
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I agree this is nonsense gun manufacturers should not be responsible.

Finding a way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people or people on medication for depression and bi polar disorder is not nonsense it is common sense.:peace
 
H. Lee White said:
I see you refuse to accept the fact you have been proven wrong.
No real surpise.
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If wanting to prevent mentally ill people from buying guns wrong,
if wanting to look into the current gun control laws by professionals to see if anything can be done wrong.
If not being a yes man to the NRA IS WRONG.
If wanting to find a way not to sell guns to people with bi polar disorder or deep depression is wrong
If in fact if asking questions about guns being sold legally and winding up at crime scenes aIS WRONG
If asking that all gun owners should at least be given a manadatory gun safety lesson is wrong.

THEN YES YOU CAN SAY I AM INDEED WRONG.
However if you go through all these wrongs and consider them all right.
Then I wander whose really WRONG HERE?:peace
 
presluc said:
I agree this is nonsense gun manufacturers should not be responsible.

Finding a way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people or people on medication for depression and bi polar disorder is not nonsense it is common sense.:peace
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This is true...We need to do a better job in the area of mental health.
 
I suspect that I look at it this way:

The chance that increased gun control laws and gun purchasing/ownership restrictions might prevent one or two events such as this is not enough to justify those increased restrictions.
 
presluc said:
Sorry missed your post.
My response is simple.
Which would you rather have visit your home or workplace an avid metally ill voter with a voters registration,OR
AN AVID MENTALLY ILL PERSON WITH AN AR 15 AND A GLOCK AND A sig?

Think hard now don't hurt yourself.:peace
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Laws already exist making that act illegal (should the BATFE/police decide to enforce the law) assuming that you meant this "visit" was to result in harmful intent. How are we doing enforcing the all out ban on recreational drug possession and sales? Think hard and don't hurt yourself.
 
j-mac said:
What the? Did the weapons malfunction? Did they fail to live up to what they are advertised to do? Did the person firing the weapon not know that if fired at people that it is likely to result in injury or death?

Did the maker of these guns explicitly advertise as the best weapon to kill children with?

This is nonsense. "profiting off of gun violence" Good grief. :roll:
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Did Freedom Group, the maker of the Bushmaster AR -15 say they were saddened or even show any sympathy regarding the Newtown massacre? I note the NRA sort of did, but they didn't make the guns. So why did the NRA feel the need to speak whereas the gun manufacturers were largely silent and showed no sign of sympathy for the victims killed with the use of their product? Their silence speaks volumes.


Btw, if H. White Lee thinks she speaks for me, she is sorely mistaken. Her defense of the blood for profit gun industry is sickening and pathetic and she should be ashamed. But that would be too much to expect or even ask of her kind.
 
Moot said:
Did Freedom Group, the maker of the Bushmaster AR -15 say they were saddened or even show any sympathy regarding the Newtown massacre? I note the NRA sort of did, but they didn't make the guns. So why did the NRA feel the need to speak whereas the gun manufacturers were largely silent and showed no sign of sympathy for the victims killed with the use of their product? Their silence speaks volumes.
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silence? First off the company isn't owned by Freedom Group, and hasn't been since 2006. I found this little ironic ditty....

Private equity firm Cerberus has put U.S. firearms maker Freedom Group up for sale following Friday's killing of 20 children and 6 adults at the Sandy Hook school shooting in Connecticut.

Freedom Group includes Bushmaster, maker of the rifle used in the shooting at the school in Newtown. Cerberus bought Bushmaster in 2006 before adding another 10 makers of firearms, ammunition and accessories to the group.

"It is apparent that the Sandy Hook tragedy was a watershed event that has raised the national debate on gun control to an unprecedented level," Cerberus Capital Management said in a statement.

Cerberus will hire advisers to carry out a sale of the company, and return the money to its investors, which include the California State Teachers' Retirement System (CalSTRS).

Cerberus to sell Bushmaster gunmaker after Newtown shooting - Dec. 18, 2012
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I'd say selling the company in the wake of the murders is a pretty strong statement....Oh, and returning the money to investors...Including The California state teachers retirement system! Oh BLAMM!

Btw, if H. White Lee thinks she speaks for me, she is sorely mistaken. Her defense of the blood for profit gun industry is sickening and pathetic and she should be ashamed. But that would be too much to ask of her kind.
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I didn't see where she was trying to speak for you...Maybe that is your misreading. In any case take it up with her. I'd concentrate on googling a simple fact that took me less than 10 sec to come up with before you post your rants like above.
 
j-mac said:
silence? First off the company isn't owned by Freedom Group, and hasn't been since 2006. I found this little ironic ditty....

I'd say selling the company in the wake of the murders is a pretty strong statement....Oh, and returning the money to investors...Including The California state teachers retirement system! Oh BLAMM!
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Well, I'd say you're wrong about Freedom Group and I don't see anyone rushing in to buy the company in the wake of the massacre...which is a pretty strong statement too.. Oo, returning money to investors ie;himself, how thoughtful..

".....The Freedom Group’s origins date to 2006, when Cerberus acquired Bushmaster Firearms. The firm then consolidated the fragmented gun industry, acquiring at least six other brands and rolling them into one company to create the Freedom Group, which is based in Madison, N.C. Freedom is on track to post about $900 million in revenue this year....<snip>

Mr. Feinberg has a penchant for investing in military-related businesses. Cerberus’s holdings include the military contractor IAP Worldwide Services and the satellite provider GeoEye. Cerberus also explored an investment in Blackwater USA, the private security contractor since renamed Academi, but a deal never materialized.

A major Republican donor, Mr. Feinberg has Dan Quayle, the former vice president, and John Snow, the former Treasury secretary, on Cerberus’s payroll. Among the former military leaders on Freedom Group’s board is George A. Joulwan, the onetime supreme allied commander of Europe.

Mr. Feinberg is also an avid shooter and hunter — he favors a Remington 700 — and has a membership at the upscale hunting club Mashomack Preserve Club in Pine Plains, N.Y.

A fellow firearms enthusiast and Cerberus executive, George Kollitides, has served as the Freedom Group’s chief executive since March. Mr. Kollitides is a trustee of the NRA Foundation and a director of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association.....read
In Unusual Move, Cerberus to Sell Freedom Group, a Gun Company - NYTimes.com
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Oochie waa waa and blam, blam, thank you maam....Mr. Feinstein, gun enthusiast, investor in military related businesses, major GOP donor, and owner of Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15, the gun used in the Newtown massacre and the fireman shootings. His silence on the matter and trying to distance himself from the massacre is a little more than telling. In fact, he acts just like a man caught with the smoking gun in his hands.

I didn't see where she was trying to speak for you...Maybe that is your misreading. In any case take it up with her. I'd concentrate on googling a simple fact that took me less than 10 sec to come up with before you post your rants like above.
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Well, you aren't me, so why would you see? Posting it was more for her benefit than yours and obviously, I did google which is how I knew about Freedom Group first and you didn't. doh! But if I were you I wouldn't be bragging about defending people with the blood of innocents on their hands...but then I'm not you.

The question still stands: why didn't Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15 send their condolences to the Newtown victim's families?
 
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Moot said:
Well, I'd say you're wrong about Freedom Group and I don't see anyone rushing in to buy the company in the wake of the massacre...which is a pretty strong statement too.. Oo, returning money to investors ie;himself, how thoughtful..



Oochie waa waa and blam, blam, thank you maam....Mr. Feinstein, gun enthusiast, investor in military related businesses, major GOP donor, and owner of Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15, the gun used in the Newtown massacre and the fireman shootings. His silence on the matter and trying to distance himself from the massacre is a little more than telling. In fact, he acts just like a man caught with the smoking gun in his hands.


Well, you aren't me, so why would you see? Posting it was more for her benefit than yours and obviously, I did google which is how I knew about Freedom Group first and you didn't. doh! But if I were you I wouldn't be bragging about defending people with the blood of innocents on their hands...but then I'm not you.

The question still stands: why didn't Freedom Group, maker of the Bushmaster AR-15 send their condolences to the Newtown victim's families?
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Because they had nothing to do with the shooting.
 
The Mark said:
Because they had nothing to do with the shooting.
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Oh, but they did and they know it.....

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Mr. Feinstein looks...apprehensive.
 
Moot said:
Oh, but they did and they know it.....

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Mr. Feinstein looks...apprehensive.
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What?

I...have no idea what you're talking about now...
 
The Mark said:
What?

I...have no idea what you're talking about now...
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That's probably because you didn't bother to read the links or follow the discussion before chiming in. Don't blame me.
 
H. Lee White said:
Your refusal to be intellectually honest is wrong.
Wasting any further time on you is wrong as well. Into the pit.
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This is 3 times you have said goodbye and yet here you are another post to me.

Need I show you to the door?

That's a hint pal.:peace:2wave:
 
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