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26 reported killed in Newtown [W:72/89]

As I recall, a lot of people put certain rights to privacy/etc over the rights of little children to live, now. Roe v Wade.

Just sayin'.

Just being the devil's advocate here. The world would be a whole lot better if that Adam Lanza had been aborted. Hard but true.
 
Just being the devil's advocate here. The world would be a whole lot better if that Adam Lanza had been aborted. Hard but true.

Can't argue with that, but then again it isn't something you can tell via ultrasound.
 
I work in a place that has secured entrances, including bullet resistant glass and armed police officers....and there are no young lives being protected there. There was some security at the school, but it failed. There was obviously an inadequate response to the breakdown in security. Taking guns away from the general public is not going to stop this senseless violence, so we should be looking at how to mitigate it, deter it, and respond to it in a manner which reduces the risk to the lives of the innocent.

Hey. Ye of one clue. I have not advocated taking away anyone's guns. That you may work in a pillbox does not mean that such can possibly be the solution to our vulnerable schools. How long will that retrofit take ?

There was no security breakdown in Newtown, btw. None.
 
Hey. Ye of one clue. I have not advocated taking away anyone's guns. That you may work in a pillbox does not mean that such can possibly be the solution to our vulnerable schools. How long will that retrofit take ?

Who cares how long it takes?

There was no security breakdown in Newtown, btw. None.

No breakdown huh? How did all those kids get shot?
 
But I digress. This morning, one of the parents of one of the children that was brutally murdered by gunshot, through tears, talked about the need for Americans to take action and do something to prevent anther shooting tragedy. Are you prepared to call him a nut? Uncaring? Insincere?
I am willing to place the parents comments into proper perspective of a grieving parent, and not one in the perspective in which we should make laws about.
There is no rational law that would have stopped this from happening. None.
 
Is it true the killer's mother was a survivalist?

Is it also true the killer wasn't let in and that he broke a window to get in, instead?
 
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As I recall, a lot of people put certain rights to privacy/etc over the rights of little children to live, now. Roe v Wade.

Just sayin'.
No, it looks like you're trying to derail the thread. Just sayin.
 
No, it looks like you're trying to derail the thread. Just sayin.

Single-issue obsessives add nothing to political discourse.

He's not intentionally trolling when he tries to make it about abortion. To him and people like him, discussing any other issue derails discussion about abortion, which is the only thing that matters to them.
 
Single-issue obsessives add nothing to political discourse.

He's not intentionally trolling when he tries to make it about abortion. To him and people like him, discussing any other issue derails discussion about abortion, which is the only thing that matters to them.

No, he's just pointing out that you can't have political discourse with people who only pretend to care about children's right to life.
 
No, he's just pointing out that you can't have political discourse with people who only pretend to care about children's right to life.

When someone refuses to acknowledge the difference between a first trimester fetus with no self-awareness and a sweet, joyful 6 year old ... their pleas that they are the only ones who really care for children fall on deaf ears.
 
Is it true the killer's mother was a survivalist?

Is it also true the killer wasn't let in and that he broke a window to get in, instead?

Not sure on the first,

But as far as the window goes, they say he used half a magazine to cut a walkthrough hole through the window. He was met by the school psychologist and principle on the other side...
 
When someone refuses to acknowledge the difference between a first trimester fetus with no self-awareness and a sweet, joyful 6 year old ... their pleas that they are the only ones who really care for children fall on deaf ears.

Obama's position on abortion is that the child should be tossed in a closet to starve to death if it accidently survives an abortion

Obama armed Drug Cartels in Mexico who used those weapons to kill innocent women and children in Mexico

Obama armed terrorists in Libya and Syria

Obama's "Gun Control" at the consulate in Benghazi left it defenseless as the terrorists stormed in with weapons he supplied them to murder our ambassador

You Collectivist Authoritarians on the Left are more pissed off at guns and the NRA then the murderer. His name was Adam Lanza. He was severely mentally ill. Blame him.

Obama killed “Readiness and Emergency Management” Funding for Schools

Obama Administration Killed “Readiness and Emergency Management” Funding for Schools

Democrats killed legislation that would have potentially seen the Adam Lanza was properly treated for his mental illness in CT

AN ACT CONCERNING THE CARE AND TREATMENT OF PERSONS WITH PSYCHIATRIC DISABILITIES.
 
Just being the devil's advocate here. The world would be a whole lot better if that Adam Lanza had been aborted. Hard but true.

You are wrong

The world would be a better place if he had been properly treated and committed for his severe mental illness
 
Just being the devil's advocate here. The world would be a whole lot better if that Adam Lanza had been aborted. Hard but true.

If pregnant women had the ability of pre-cognition, your point might be well-taken, but you pay your nickel, and you take your chances. Unfortunately, our society has stopped institutionalizing people who are a danger to society, and tries to mainstream them by treating them as if they are normal-functioning, and in fact anyone who dares to disparage someone who is not normal, is treated like an asshole who has no heart.
 
Not sure on the first,

But as far as the window goes, they say he used half a magazine to cut a walkthrough hole through the window. He was met by the school psychologist and principle on the other side...

The misinformation that has been reported about this deranged kid and his mother is just mind boggling. First, we hear that the mom was a teacher at the school and there conclusions made by the media that his motive was to get back at his mother by killing what she loved, teaching children. Then it turns she's not a teacher at all, instead she was a recently divorced, unemployed stay at home mom and she was home schooling Adam. Which is odd because other reports say he finished HS when he in the 10th grade and then there are reports of him attending high school and belonging to a computer science club and always carrying a briefcase clutched to his chest in the hallways.

Then it's reported that Nancy Lanza was a gun enthusist who enjoyed taking Adam to target practice to teach him responsibility, but the police reports say there's little to no evidence of her going to any target ranges in the area. Then her ex-sister in law, Marsha Lanza says she had guns to defend herself, but she never felt under threat while adding that "It's the person who does the killing, not the gun."

That last statement by the sister in law is very telling how that entire Lanza family must have thought about guns. But if those guns were not in the house that kid wouldn't have had the method by which to do what he did.
 
I am willing to place the parents comments into proper perspective of a grieving parent, and not one in the perspective in which we should make laws about.
There is no rational law that would have stopped this from happening. None.

I agree, no law. But we can certainly improve security designed to protect children, and that would require no new legislation or infringement on anyone's rights.
 
If pregnant women had the ability of pre-cognition, your point might be well-taken, but you pay your nickel, and you take your chances. Unfortunately, our society has stopped institutionalizing people who are a danger to society, and tries to mainstream them by treating them as if they are normal-functioning, and in fact anyone who dares to disparage someone who is not normal, is treated like an asshole who has no heart.

Yes, I distinctly remember when Reagan defunded mental health institutions and all the patients were put out in the street to fend for themselves. Aside from the severe homeless problem it caused, what was once an extremely rare occurance, mass murders became more common at on average two a year since 1981. Coicidence? I think not.
 
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No, it looks like you're trying to derail the thread. Just sayin.

No, he's showing that Constitutional rights are always rights...not just when they are convienient.
 
The misinformation that has been reported about this deranged kid and his mother is just mind boggling. First, we hear that the mom was a teacher at the school and there conclusions made by the media that his motive was to get back at his mother by killing what she loved, teaching children. Then it turns she's not a teacher at all, instead she was a recently divorced, unemployed stay at home mom and she was home schooling Adam. Which is odd because other reports say he finished HS when he in the 10th grade and then there are reports of him attending high school and belonging to a computer science club and always carrying a briefcase clutched to his chest in the hallways.

Then it's reported that Nancy Lanza was a gun enthusist who enjoyed taking Adam to target practice to teach him responsibility, but the police reports say there's little to no evidence of her going to any target ranges in the area. Then her ex-sister in law, Marsha Lanza says she had guns to defend herself, but she never felt under threat while adding that "It's the person who does the killing, not the gun."

That last statement by the sister in law is very telling how that entire Lanza family must have thought about guns. But if those guns were not in the house that kid wouldn't have had the method by which to do what he did.

Maybe, but he'd probably just have found another method.
 
Single-issue obsessives add nothing to political discourse.

He's not intentionally trolling when he tries to make it about abortion. To him and people like him, discussing any other issue derails discussion about abortion, which is the only thing that matters to them.

He wasn't trying to "make it about abortion". He was illustrating the right to privacy, which is no less relevant to background checks as it is to the abortion debate.
 
No, he's showing that Constitutional rights are always rights...not just when they are convienient.
Funny, he didn't say a word about constitutional rights. But you did. Twenty children were just ruthlessly shot full of holes and all you care about is that someone might take away your toys??? Yes, there is a mental health problem in this country and it's called conservatism.
 
I am willing to place the parents comments into proper perspective of a grieving parent, and not one in the perspective in which we should make laws about.
There is no rational law that would have stopped this from happening. None.


There are ABSOLUTELY laws that would have stopped this from happening.....starting with a ban on asssault rifles.
 
There are ABSOLUTELY laws that would have stopped this from happening.....starting with a ban on asssault rifles.
There is no law that could have prevented what happened.
Period.
Your assertion only turns law abiding citizens into criminals if they do not surrender their property.
It would not stop what happened though.

The preclusion of a certain type of weapon does not mean it would not have happened.
 
He wasn't trying to "make it about abortion". He was illustrating the right to privacy, which is no less relevant to background checks as it is to the abortion debate.
What, are you a mind reader now, too?
 
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