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Two Gunmen at Newtown, Conn., Elementary School Shooting, One Dead [W:449/490/584]

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There are 20 parents burrying their children this coming week. You mother****ers think you can stave off this **** till the kids are in the ground? That too much for you?

Tell it to the Mayor of NYC, Bloomberg, or the Mayor of Boston, MA. And that is just the tip of the iceberg from the gun-control politicians out there.

Your keyboard outrage is duly noted though.
 
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As we've seen all over the internet and the mainstream media...yes, it's too much for them.

I know. I have to drive through the media army to get to work. The school is about 2 miles from where I work. I have one employee who's little brother is dead. And all I can think about is how much I hate everyone right now. It's like, they (the media) are just FIGHTING to get at any little raw nerve, any table scrap of emotion to wring out and display. We're opening a brand new BJs here, and all is somber, except for the mother****ers clawing their way towards anyone willing to talk, or better yet, cry on camera about it. I just...I hate everyone right now.


Sorry. End rant.
 
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I know. I have to drive through the media army to get to work. The school is about 2 miles from where I work. I have one employee who's little brother is dead. And all I can think about is how much I hate everyone right now. It's like, they (the media) are just FIGHTING to get at any little raw nerve, any table scrap of emotion to wring out and display. We're opening a brand new BJs here, and all is somber, except for the mother****ers clawing their way towards anyone willing to talk, or better yet, cry on camera about it. I just...I hate everyone right now.



Sorry. End rant.
Dont let the vultures get to you. :( :( :( They really dont matter. **** them.
 
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I know. I have to drive through the media army to get to work. The school is about 2 miles from where I work. I have one employee who's little brother is dead. And all I can think about is how much I hate everyone right now. It's like, they (the media) are just FIGHTING to get at any little raw nerve, any table scrap of emotion to wring out and display. We're opening a brand new BJs here, and all is somber, except for the mother****ers clawing their way towards anyone willing to talk, or better yet, cry on camera about it. I just...I hate everyone right now.


Sorry. End rant.

What a mess. I watched to Medical Examiner's press conference today. The Press tried every angle they could to wring emotion out of him. Really stupid questions posed to a very clearly, and understandably, dry individual. It was pathetic.
 
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I know. I have to drive through the media army to get to work. The school is about 2 miles from where I work. I have one employee who's little brother is dead. And all I can think about is how much I hate everyone right now. It's like, they (the media) are just FIGHTING to get at any little raw nerve, any table scrap of emotion to wring out and display. We're opening a brand new BJs here, and all is somber, except for the mother****ers clawing their way towards anyone willing to talk, or better yet, cry on camera about it. I just...I hate everyone right now.


Sorry. End rant.

I spent the day yesterday watching the coverage by your local channel 3 CBS station online. They did good. They were compassionate and respectful, they didn't jump on every rumor, but they tried really hard to give accurate information.
 
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I understand that the media has a job to do. Hell, I used to be one of those camera wielding crazies trying to get "the shot", in order to put food on the table.


I think its just...I'm really angry. I hate every aspect of this story, more so than any other mass shooting, not even because it was a LOT closer to home...

I hate the deliberate targeting of such young children...I hate the inevitable fall out of gun control that is likely to happen as a result...but I think that, more than anything, I hate that any form of retribution is eliminated. If he was alive, tied down in the woods, and someone handed me a gun, I would absolutely pull that trigger, no doubts in my mind about it at all. I want to kill or make suffer everyone that kid ever cared about. And I can't. So my hate has no where to go. I've been pretty snappy since yesterday.
 
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you are speculating. "the typical gun safe" I have costs about 2200 dollars and takes about an hour to break into. and of course if you use a torch on the wrong one you could end up blowing up 4000 rounds of 7.62 NATO Quad which would ruin your whole day. plus, me, my kid or the wife would probably cut you to ribbons with a 12 bore while you are drilling on the safe since they are all connected to a wireless state of the art alarm system

Oh yeah?

I have a force shield!!!! SO THERE!!!!!!!!
 
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I understand that the media has a job to do. Hell, I used to be one of those camera wielding crazies trying to get "the shot", in order to put food on the table.


I think its just...I'm really angry. I hate every aspect of this story, more so than any other mass shooting, not even because it was a LOT closer to home...

I hate the deliberate targeting of such young children...I hate the inevitable fall out of gun control that is likely to happen as a result...but I think that, more than anything, I hate that any form of retribution is eliminated. If he was alive, tied down in the woods, and someone handed me a gun, I would absolutely pull that trigger, no doubts in my mind about it at all. I want to kill or make suffer everyone that kid ever cared about. And I can't. So my hate has no where to go. I've been pretty snappy since yesterday.


Well, Kevin, I am so sorry to hear of your co worker, and their loss. The town sounds like they are closing ranks to provide comfort, and support which is good...These parents are going to need everyone, in the time to come.
 
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What a mess. I watched to Medical Examiner's press conference today. The Press tried every angle they could to wring emotion out of him. Really stupid questions posed to a very clearly, and understandably, dry individual. It was pathetic.

What the hell do you expect? He's paid to medically examine in a dry cut manner and give dry cut results. Just because he isn't going to go crying on camera as a professional, doesn't mean he isn't saddened.
 
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What the hell do you expect? He's paid to medically examine in a dry cut manner and give dry cut results. Just because he isn't going to go crying on camera as a professional, doesn't mean he isn't saddened.

I think that you grossly misread my post. I noted that he was understandably dry. That was my choice of words. What I found absurd was the Press trying to squeeze some sound-bite of outrage, or cause him to break down on camera. Did you watch the video of the press conference to better know the context ?

Try reading, and watching, again, without being such a dick. ;)
 
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I understand that the media has a job to do. Hell, I used to be one of those camera wielding crazies trying to get "the shot", in order to put food on the table.


I think its just...I'm really angry. I hate every aspect of this story, more so than any other mass shooting, not even because it was a LOT closer to home...

I hate the deliberate targeting of such young children...I hate the inevitable fall out of gun control that is likely to happen as a result...but I think that, more than anything, I hate that any form of retribution is eliminated. If he was alive, tied down in the woods, and someone handed me a gun, I would absolutely pull that trigger, no doubts in my mind about it at all. I want to kill or make suffer everyone that kid ever cared about. And I can't. So my hate has no where to go. I've been pretty snappy since yesterday.

That just means you're normal.
 
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I think that you grossly misread my post. I noted that he was understandably dry. That was my choice of words. What I found absurd was the Press trying to squeeze some sound-bite of outrage, or cause him to break down on camera. Did you watch the video of the press conference to better know the context ?

Try reading, and watching, again, without being such a dick. ;)

Ah. You see... missing a single word changed that entire interpretation.

Yes, then yes.
 
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I understand that the media has a job to do. Hell, I used to be one of those camera wielding crazies trying to get "the shot", in order to put food on the table.

Just because they're getting paid to do it doesn't mean they should do it. It's despicable.
 
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What a mess. I watched to Medical Examiner's press conference today. The Press tried every angle they could to wring emotion out of him. Really stupid questions posed to a very clearly, and understandably, dry individual. It was pathetic.


I saw that press conference too with the medical examiner. It was kind of a bizarre interview. There were a couple spots where he had this quarky little nervous laugh. One when mentioning this was only the second time in his career he has talked on camera and the other time when he was talking about his name and his grandfather. In light of having 20 young dead bodies laying only yards away it just seemed weird for him to be laughing.

But to be fair. I think having just done autopsies on 7 little bodies one would be so tightly wounded up that the escape of the nervous laughter could be a release of stress.

What a tough job. I also feel for the first responders who had to enter those rooms and find the carnage. I have no idea what kind of private hell they are going through.
 
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Rumors attribute this quote to Morgan Freeman:

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

He probably didn't say it, but whoever did deserves a round of applause.
 
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If you can afford guns you should be required to have a safe place to keep them in. Is that asking too much in this day and age?
How do I get to them if I need them?
When seconds count, the police are minutes away.
 
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Is this really the solution in the USA?

Remember, Israel is a tiny nation and is surrounded by other nations that would wipe it off of the map if they could.

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I want to take a timeout from the arguments and debates to post a picture here...

In loving memory of the young lives taken far too soon...my heart aches

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What what through whose heads? That crazy people will do crazy things that cause great harm?

Perhaps the unintended side effects of treating youngsters with heavy psychoactive agents?
 
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Maybe gun-haters should require everyone to do what my father-in-law did. His house has a concrete stairway going into his finished basement. He built a room underneath it. Three walls of concrete, a steel door and the whole thing hidden behind paneling. Room enough for his 30 or so firearms. If you didn't know it was there you'd never find it and if you found it, you'd have a hell of a time getting into it. But then, he's a carpenter and he did most of the work building the house. Didn't cost him much extra but his own labor.

The gun-haters would probably be comfortable requiring all houses to cost thousands more...just in case someone wanted to buy a gun.

I want a vault room in the basement also. I don't plan on keeping the current house I own though, maybe my next house.

But, no matter whether it is a gun safe or a vault, unless I had some reason to doubt the mental stability of my relatives, why would I keep anything away from them? If I had children and they were old/mature enough to handle firearms by themselves, why would I lock the firearms away from my children, unless they demonstrated mental problems? If they did demonstrate mental problems, why would I not get them the help they need? If they are 18 or over, sure they can refuse that help, in which case, yeah, it's time to change the combo on the safe.
 
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Perhaps the unintended side effects of treating youngsters with heavy psychoactive agents?

I somewhat agree with you. There is little to no doubt that discipline among children is nothing like it used to be. Today, we are told not to discipline them, but that they have a "problem" and look, the kind and benevolent drug companies have given us these "harmless" magic pills to make them behave.

Children need discipline and control. They, usually, are not going to develop it for themselves. They need parental discipline and control in order to learn self-discipline and control for later in life.
 
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I somewhat agree with you. There is little to no doubt that discipline among children is nothing like it used to be. Today, we are told not to discipline them, but that they have a "problem" and look, the kind and benevolent drug companies have given us these "harmless" magic pills to make them behave.

Children need discipline and control. They, usually, are not going to develop it for themselves. They need parental discipline and control in order to learn self-discipline and control for later in life.

Perhaps more than discipline and control they need exercise. Just as with dogs, physical exercise tires the individual out and usually helps him become quiet and submissive.
 
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Perhaps more than discipline and control they need exercise. Just as with dogs, physical exercise tires the individual out and usually helps him become quiet and submissive.

Quiet and Submissive? Wow, that is definitely two things I don't want in a child. Obedient to rules, yes, submissive, no way. And quiet is usually a condition in children brought on by social isolation and an inability to show/control emotions. Both very bad things, unless you are trying to create sociopaths and psychopaths. Quiet when appropriate, that is learning social discipline, quiet all the time, bad, bad, bad.
 
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Here's some food for thought, re options for family of the mentally ill:

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.

A few weeks ago, Michael pulled a knife and threatened to kill me and then himself after I asked him to return his overdue library books. His 7 and 9 year old siblings knew the safety plan—they ran to the car and locked the doors before I even asked them to. I managed to get the knife from Michael, then methodically collected all the sharp objects in the house into a single Tupperware container that now travels with me. Through it all, he continued to scream insults at me and threaten to kill or hurt me.

That conflict ended with three burly police officers and a paramedic wrestling my son onto a gurney for an expensive ambulance ride to the local emergency room. The mental hospital didn’t have any beds that day, and Michael calmed down nicely in the ER, so they sent us home with a prescription for Zyprexa and a follow-up visit with a local pediatric psychiatrist.
When I asked my son’s social worker about my options, he said that the only thing I could do was to get Michael charged with a crime. “If he’s back in the system, they’ll create a paper trail,” he said. “That’s the only way you’re ever going to get anything done. No one will pay attention to you unless you’ve got charges.”
 
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