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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

Captain America said:
I think we should have a national, "Punch a Fox News Reporter In The Face Day."

With balloons, bands, kettlecorn and fireworks.
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Yeah? Well I think we should have "Beat Rachael Maddow with a pipe" day...There, doesn't that sound all adult and stuff? :roll:
 
j-mac said:
Yeah? Well I think we should have "Beat Rachael Maddow with a pipe" day...There, doesn't that sound all adult and stuff? :roll:
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I rather like the idea. I wonder how many marshmellows we could stuff in her mouth?
 
FOX News presents....................................

It's the Geraldo Piniata Show!! :mrgreen:
 
j-mac said:
No. At one time I was for about 4 years, now I am not a member of any union.
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I was in a construction trades union in Milwaukee and Chicago. The employer paid well and I had great benefits. I always thanked the union for that. Paying union dues were the least I could do. I didn't mind at all.

Who would have ever thought, that in the end, it would end up being the union that screwed me. To the tune of several thousand dollars. They freakin' STOLE it from me.

Now I hate unions.
 
Captain America said:
I was in a construction trades union in Milwaukee and Chicago. The employer paid well and I had great benefits. I always thanked the union for that. Paying union dues were the least I could do. I didn't mind at all.

Who would have ever thought, that in the end, it would end up being the union that screwed me. To the tune of several thousand dollars. They freakin' STOLE it from me.

Now I hate unions.
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apparently the union leadership didn't need you anymore...
my father was pro-union, until he became shop steward and started seeing things the regular rank and file doesn't get to see...
 
j-mac said:
No. At one time I was for about 4 years, now I am not a member of any union.
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Ah, yes... I remember the day you handed in your union card.


 
OpportunityCost said:
You are presenting inflammatory rhetoric and attempting to bait me into an emotional response to make a point. The problem with that would be that Im not buying.

Let me know when you get around to making reasoned arguments instead of emotional ones.
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You have yet present any argument at all. Indeed, you have offered nothing to the discussion but pathetic digressions about forum etiquette.

But by all means, let me know when you think you have a reasoned argument so that I can trounce you.

I suspect that your grandstanding about forum rules is little more than a front for intellectual cowardice. Is my suspicion correct?

It is time for you to stand and deliver.
 
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Sig said:
Ah, yes... I remember the day you handed in your union card.


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Nope, not me brother....20 years driving tractor trailer, not one blemish. I was a union member when I first started out driving for a Pepsi distributor. It was not the full on teamster driver union though it was a division of the teamsters, their Warehouse side....
as a consequence they couldn't have cared less for us, negotiations were a joke, and their representation was nearly non existent other than them making sure they got their dues.

But I do take note of you trying to slander my career...
 
Sig said:
You have yet present any argument at all. Indeed, you have offered nothing to the discussion but pathetic digressions about forum etiquette.

But by all means, let me know when you think you have a reasoned argument so that I can trounce you.

I suspect that your grandstanding about forum rules is little more than a front for intellectual cowardice. Is my suspicion correct?

It is time for you to stand and deliver.
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Your posting is loathsome....Good for us I guess that Flame baiters like you never seem to last long here.
 
j-mac said:
Nope, not me brother....20 years driving tractor trailer, not one blemish. I was a union member when I first started out driving for a Pepsi distributor. It was not the full on teamster driver union though it was a division of the teamsters, their Warehouse side....
as a consequence they couldn't have cared less for us, negotiations were a joke, and their representation was nearly non existent other than them making sure they got their dues.

But I do take note of you trying to slander my career...
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Pepsi driver?... Wait, now I remember you!



 
j-mac said:
Your posting is loathsome....Good for us I guess that Flame baiters like you never seem to last long here.
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I'm a lot like herpes. I keep coming back.

BTW: Have you figured out what RTW is all about yet?
 
j-mac said:
Nope, wrong again....As usual.
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Wrong as usual?...

You're trying to flame bait me!...

I'm telling the mod!... ​
 
Excon said:
Wrong!
Just simply wrong!
Reality is that you have been trying to take it off topic with bs that has nothing to do with Tony hitting Crowder.
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Talking about Corwder and what he was doing before the attack?
Thats not on topic?



It has been about the assault from the beginning.
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So this whole thing is about during the assault the actual fist meeting the face and hitting Crowder in the face? Nothing before it nothing after?


Not about the legislation.
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I havent brought up the legislation, however the OP article did so therefor its on topic
The points you were trying to make had nothing to do with Crowder being hit and were "off topic". (in your book of course)


"Before, during, after" is as it applies to Crowder being hit, not other peripheral bs that has nothing to do with his being hit.
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I feel like Crowder and his tactics and another witnesses account applies here.. Dont you? Or is that "other bs"?
 
Sig said:
You have yet present any argument at all. Indeed, you have offered nothing to the discussion but pathetic digressions about forum etiquette.

But by all means, let me know when you think you have a reasoned argument so that I can trounce you.

I suspect that your grandstanding about forum rules is little more than a front for intellectual cowardice. Is my suspicion correct?

It is time for you to stand and deliver.
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Your argument is that the union guy was justified in hitting Crowder. Further that Crowder asked for the attack by asking a question.

We have laws that say you are wrong in your interpretation of things and that there is no justification for harming another person. That is where things lay at the moment.

If you can show me a case where asking a question justifies physical violence, you may begin to have a point. So far all we have are ravings that union members are going to get violent etc etc. Long on rhetoric, short on reason.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Cease with the baiting, flaming and personal attacks. Off-topic posts will also be dealt with.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Your argument is that the union guy was justified in hitting Crowder. Further that Crowder asked for the attack by asking a question.

We have laws that say you are wrong in your interpretation of things and that there is no justification for harming another person. That is where things lay at the moment.

If you can show me a case where asking a question justifies physical violence, you may begin to have a point. So far all we have are ravings that union members are going to get violent etc etc. Long on rhetoric, short on reason.
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This isn't a court of law. This is an internet forum.

The fact of the matter is that Chowder provoked the violence with malice and intent aforethought. He went down there with every intention of instigating a violent reaction and he got one. Then he had the nerve to cry about it on Faux News.

This is the point!
 
Sig said:
This isn't a court of law. This is an internet forum.

The fact of the matter is that Chowder provoked the violence with malice and intent aforethought. He went down there with every intention of instigating a violent reaction and he got one. Then he had the nerve to cry about it on Faux News.

This is the point!
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That's not a point any more than "but she wore that dress". One cannot provoke a forcible felony, that's ridiculous. People are responsible for their actions.
 
ecofarm said:
That's not a point any more than "but she wore that dress". One cannot provoke a forcible felony, that's ridiculous. People are responsible for their actions.
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Are you seriously trying to argue that one cannot provoke a punch being thrown at them?
 
Sig said:
Are you seriously trying to argue that one cannot provoke a punch being thrown at them?
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I'd rather leave that to the justice system, formal education and those versed in such, but... ok, I'll give it try.

If you punch someone, it better be in self defense or you've committed a forcible felony and are subject to lethal force (in my state) and felony prosecution. There's really no grey area.
 
Sig said:
This isn't a court of law. This is an internet forum.

The fact of the matter is that Chowder provoked the violence with malice and intent aforethought. He went down there with every intention of instigating a violent reaction and he got one. Then he had the nerve to cry about it on Faux News.

This is the point!
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You are talking about moral right and wrong, and that is up to personal opinion. Legally there is no excuse to assault him unless you are defending yourself or possibly someone else. If that is the case you will most likely have to prove self defense in court. Antagonizing someone is somewhat against the law. It falls under breach of peace type laws and you would really have to prove he intended to antagonize people and provoke this sort of thing. he would probably get off easy.

Remember you don't have any excuse to hit someone just because they say mean things about you. Whether or not you feel you, or someone else, is justified in assault because someone said mean things to them is irrelevant to the law. The guy who assaulted him belongs in jail no matter how annoying his presence was. Seriously, if you hire a lawyer and get off at arraignment you are still probably looking at over a couple of grand for the punch if you are lucky. Court cases, years in a prison made for violent criminals, and a felony assault on your record will make for a really hard time for the rest of your life. Oh, and if the police have enough evidence to prosecute you cannot get the victim to drop charges. The state will prosecute even if the victim forgives you. In this case with video of the event this guy better pray it was his first offense so he might get to plea it down. That is a huge maybe.
 
ecofarm said:
I'd rather leave that to the justice system, formal education and those versed in such, but... ok, I'll give it try.

If you punch someone, it better be in self defense or you've committed a forcible felony and are subject to lethal force (in my state) and felony prosecution. There's really no grey area.
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You are dodging the question.

Assuming you are not from Mars and know a thing or two about human nature, do you think it is possible to provoke someone into punching you in the face?
 
Sig said:
You are dodging the question.

Assuming you are not from Mars and know a thing or two about human nature, do you think it is possible to provoke someone into punching you in the face?
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Depends on the education, and maturity level.
 
Im almost positive I could provoke you to try to punch me in the face. Im almost as certain you could not provoke me to do the same.

"Provoke" as a legal term is nonsensical. Legally, there is no provoking with words. Its either self defense or jail time. Its not dodging the question, it IS the question at hand. If you are civilized human being, you dont take a swing at someone because you dont like what they are saying---if not, you just proved you are a victim of your basest responses instead of a thinking, rational human being.
 
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