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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

I don't think reiterating that punching someone is bad will work... as it is readily apparent that you people do not believe it is bad...

sorry folks, you have shown yourself to be advocates of assault when the assault is perpetuated by a person whose political agenda you agree with....you'll have to live with the fact that you support and celebrate unjust violence .. no way around that simple fact.

Assault is not cool.

Two men fighting is another thing entirely.

Its quite possible that tonys fall was caused by crowder.

Tony sure seems to think so.

In other words, I'm not convinced it WAS an assault.

I think crowder went there to start.some **** and was successful.

I'm not the type who believes the state's force monopoly should confer upon assholes the right to say and do anything they please. Makes for an uncivil society.
 
Thank you for the opinion of you, Excon and Fox news. No else, including the police believe Crowder's story!
Besides you being wrong about "everybody"...

Including the police?
Link it!

Because as far as I know, willing to investigate and press charges is different than not believing it. :doh
 
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Thank you for the opinion of you, Excon and Fox news. No else, including the police believe Crowder's story!

I do not support unjust violence.. I do not support assault.

now that we have put your lies to bed.... you need to explain why you and your merry band of "liberal" cohorts here do support assault.... you need to explain why you celebrate unjust violence perpetrated by people whose politics you agree with.

I don't believe your claim that the police don't believe his story ...you're a dishonest person and therefore an untrustworthy source.
 
Assault is not cool.

Two men fighting is another thing entirely.

Its quite possible that tonys fall was caused by crowder.

Tony sure seems to think so.

In other words, I'm not convinced it WAS an assault.

I think crowder went there to start.some **** and was successful.

I'm not the type who believes the state's force monopoly should confer upon assholes the right to say and do anything they please. Makes for an uncivil society.

the video shows an assault.... <shrugs>

I think he went to stir some **** myself.... which is his right as a citizen and journalist.... that's not a valid justification for assault though.

two men fighting is not another thing entirely... as anyone in a barfight, having been arrested for assault, will attest to

Crowder wasn't fighting the union guy though... the union guy simply assaulted him.
the union guy is clearly in the wrong... crowder might have been being an asshole, but being an asshole is not illegal....assault, however, is.
 
the video shows an assault.... <shrugs>

I think he went to stir some **** myself.... which is his right as a citizen and journalist.... that's not a valid justification for assault though.

two men fighting is not another thing entirely... as anyone in a barfight, having been arrested for assault, will attest to

Crowder wasn't fighting the union guy though... the union guy simply assaulted him.
the union guy is clearly in the wrong... crowder might have been being an asshole, but being an asshole is not illegal....assault, however, is.

Yes, and it has gained us the phenomena of assholes hiding behind the law to antagonize people.

It used to be called "fighting words".

Now its "you can't punch me in the mouth, no matter what i say, or the cops will get you."

Elevates the assinine to the sacrosanct. By law.
 
No it is not.
Their positions make it impossible.


That is pure speculation by you.

Wrong.

You are only seeing what supports your pksition.

Yoir blinders are perfect.
 
Wrong.

You are only seeing what supports your pksition.

Yoir blinders are perfect.
Wrong!

Your delusional observations have been noted.
 
Yes, and it has gained us the phenomena of assholes hiding behind the law to antagonize people.

It used to be called "fighting words".

Now its "you can't punch me in the mouth, no matter what i say, or the cops will get you."

Elevates the assinine to the sacrosanct. By law.

fighting words doctrine is still in effect... it didn't go anywhere.

unfortunately, nothing Crowder said comes close to fighting words.... it can't be used as a defense for his assault
 
fighting words doctrine is still in effect... it didn't go anywhere.

unfortunately, nothing Crowder said comes close to fighting words.... it can't be used as a defense for his assault


It is funny how they ignore almost everything that occurred that day.
Tony had it in for Crowder as can be seen below,


*UNEXTRACTABLE "UNEDITED" VIDEO
Violence in Michigan | Fox News Video

*ORIGINAL CROWDER VIDEO
UNIONS ASSAULT ON CAMERA!! - YouTube

*INSIDE VIEW
Inside view as unions tear down AFP tent - YouTube

*SHOT FROM REAR OF CROWD
AFP tent gets destroyed during R2W protests in MI - YouTube

*UNION GUYS LOOSENING STRAPS RIGHT BEFORE COLLAPSE
Union thugs in MI collapse AFP tent - YouTube

*INCONSEQUENSIAL CROWD BEHAVIOR SOME TIME BEFORE CONFRONTATION
Union members taunt and close in on AFP tent at MI State Capitol - YouTube

*CROWDER ARGUING WITH ASSAILANT 01
Steven Crowder documents union captain tactics - YouTube

*GINGER GUY BLOCKING PHONE
Beat your asses! RTW protestor grabs at iphone - YouTube

*UNION GUYS LOOSENING TENT STRAPS - INSIDE VIEW
Union members loosen straps from AFP tent - YouTube

*LONG AFTER THE WHOLE THING IS DONE
RTW Supporters clean up Union mess from tent collapse - YouTube

*GINGER BAITING COPS
Protestor Taunts Police Outside Governor's Office At Right-To-Work Protest - YouTube

*CUTTING UP TENT FOR SOUVENIERS
Cutting Up AFP Tent on Michigan Capitol Lawn - YouTube

*CROWDER ARGUING WITH ASSAILANT 02
Steven Crowder's attacker VERBALLY attacks him a hour earlier. - YouTube


*FOOTAGE FROM INSIDE THE TENT
Footage from Inside: Union thugs attack AFP Tent - YouTube

*THIRD ANGLE ON THE FIGHT (3:00) & TENT COLLAPSE FROM INSIDE


*CAMERA PHONE OF COPS ARIVING AFTER THE FACT
Cutting the AFP Tent - YouTube

*AFTER TENT COLLAPSE W/ GINGER
Michigan Right to Work Protest Devolves into Anarchy - YouTube

*TEARING DOWN TENTPOLES AND ATTACKING A WOMAN?
A fight breaks out after protesting union members tear down - YouTube

*AFTER POLICE MOVING IN, UNION GUY THROWS SOMETHING AT THEM
Michigan "Right to Work": Union Protester Throws Object at Michigan State Police - YouTube

*ALTERCATION OUTSIDE ... UNION DOODS COME INSIDE AND KNOCK STUFF OVER
Lansing Union mob attacking tent - FULL VIDEO - YouTube

*ANOTHER VIEW FROM INSIDE TENT
Inside tent before the union mob destroys it - YouTube


From: Crowder files complaint with Michigan state troopers
 
i just watched the **** out of the videos... and i'm not seeing Crowder pushing anyone

it's pretty tough to see anything clearly, but the notion of crowder pushing tony doesn't seem to be the case.


in any event.. i don't really care too much... that mob was unruly... as idiot mobs sometimes get..... not a very proud moment for any of us to watch people act as animals.
 
Besides you being wrong about "everybody"...

Including the police?
Link it!

Because as far as I know, willing to investigate and press charges is different than not believing it. :doh

Its already been linked in this thread, you should try to follow along. The police implied Crowder had ulterior motives for his claims.
 
If you are going to respond to me, please stay within the topic.
Obama has nothing to do with Tony hitting Crowder.

it has to do with how mobs are used by the Libs and Obama.. hence why Obama has not condemned this violence..
 
Which brings us right back to a bully getting what he deserved.

total nonsense as always from you... any radical violent Obamabot ahole is your hero
 
Its already been linked in this thread, you should try to follow along. The police implied Crowder had ulterior motives for his claims.

so the police are a lot like you huh?,,, do they also belong to a union?
 
I do not support unjust violence.. I do not support assault.

now that we have put your lies to bed.... you need to explain why you and your merry band of "liberal" cohorts here do support assault.... you need to explain why you celebrate unjust violence perpetrated by people whose politics you agree with.

I don't believe your claim that the police don't believe his story ...you're a dishonest person and therefore an untrustworthy source.



Show me the beef! Where's the police report? No police report, no case!
 
i just watched the **** out of the videos... and i'm not seeing Crowder pushing anyone

it's pretty tough to see anything clearly, but the notion of crowder pushing tony doesn't seem to be the case.


in any event.. i don't really care too much... that mob was unruly... as idiot mobs sometimes get..... not a very proud moment for any of us to watch people act as animals.

As you say, the critical moment is obscured.

But tony was arguing with a guy right next to the tent. Chest to chest.

Then you can see crowder from the neck down passing etween them, with his right forearm touching tonys chest. Theres MAYBE room for a pwrson between tonys argument and the tent.

Then a moment later crowder is going the other way as tony falls.

Claiming crowder had nothing to do with tonys fall is speculation not supported by evidence. Tony certainly thinks he, and not the guy he was arguing with, was responsible.

Regardless of what excon says.
 
Its already been linked in this thread, you should try to follow along. The police implied Crowder had ulterior motives for his claims.
First of all, nothing you have attributed has been linked to in this thread. Absolutely nothing. Which is why I called you on it. Secondly, I suspected you were referring to the report where it was reported that the Police were more than willing to prosecute.
Which is why I mentioned a portion of what was actually provided in that report.

You are again being dishonest and misrepresenting what the Police have said.
It appears that all you can do is be dishonest and misrepresent.


What the police actually said was

“There is video footage of him being assaulted. We don’t know who the suspect is, but we could do a several month investigation and find the suspect,”


“I saw Mr. Crowder’s interview on Sean Hannity and he wants to have an MMA-sanctioned fight with this individual,” he said. Crowder told Hannity that if the suspect doesn’t come forward for the MMA fight (which he said would be held for charity), Crowder would “press charges.”

Adamczyk did not sound impressed by the plan.

“You can’t leverage the law for personal gain,” he said. “Either you’re the victim, or you’re not. So if he’s the victim of an assault, and he wants to file a complaint, we will definitely investigate it.”



Adamczyk doesn’t understand why Crowder wouldn’t report the crime to the police and get the perpetrator prosecuted. He stressed that the MSP will not go forward with an investigation unless a crime is reported, and “there are all types of personal reasons” people sometimes don’t report a crime, he said.

“If somebody broke into your house, wouldn’t you immediately report it to the police? If someone assaulted you or your family member wouldn’t you report it immediately to the police?” Adamczyk said. “Well, why wouldn’t you, unless there’s a personal agenda there.”



Not at any time did they allude to not believing Crowder as you previously said. Which had nothing to do with your present claim of "ulterior motives", which the Police also did not allude to.

The Police spoke of a possible agenda because he didn't understand why Crowder had not come forward at the time, and we all know why that is. He made an either or challenge to the guy to come forward on his own.

And since Crowder has come forward and pressed charges, you can bet that such speculation no longer applies and is now where it belongs. In a trash can.


But way to misrepresent what the police say. It figures you would.

I suppose you are now going to say that the Police do not believe there is footage of him being assaulted as they say there is.
 
Then you can see crowder from the neck down passing etween them, with his right forearm touching tonys chest.
Wrong. He did not pass between them.
Crowder was to Tony's side at the time. He was not between them.
Why do you have to be dishonest about the facts?

Claiming crowder had nothing to do with tonys fall is speculation not supported by evidence.
Wrong!
The evidence clearly shows Crowder's back to Tony, and then Tony falling to Crowder's side.. Their position make it impossible for Crowder to have pushed Tony to the ground. Impossible.
As already stated.
Crowder would have had to be in a position (which he was not) to get leverage to push Tony to the ground.
He would have had to know exactly where Tony was in order to put his hand on him to shove him to the ground.
Both of these things were and are impossible as their position do not allow it. It was impossible. As Crowder's back was to Tony.

And as the guy with the Red Hard Hat "IS" between Tony and Crowder, it makes it even more impossible.

Tony certainly thinks he, and not the guy he was arguing with, was responsible.
That is pure speculation on your part. Duh!
 
First of all, nothing you have attributed has been linked to in this thread. Absolutely nothing. Which is why I called you on it. Secondly, I suspected you were referring to the report where it was reported that the Police were more than willing to prosecute.
Which is why I mentioned a portion of what was actually provided in that report.

You are again being dishonest and misrepresenting what the Police have said.
It appears that all you can do is be dishonest and misrepresent.


What the police actually said was

“There is video footage of him being assaulted. We don’t know who the suspect is, but we could do a several month investigation and find the suspect,”


“I saw Mr. Crowder’s interview on Sean Hannity and he wants to have an MMA-sanctioned fight with this individual,” he said. Crowder told Hannity that if the suspect doesn’t come forward for the MMA fight (which he said would be held for charity), Crowder would “press charges.”

Adamczyk did not sound impressed by the plan.

“You can’t leverage the law for personal gain,” he said. “Either you’re the victim, or you’re not. So if he’s the victim of an assault, and he wants to file a complaint, we will definitely investigate it.”



Adamczyk doesn’t understand why Crowder wouldn’t report the crime to the police and get the perpetrator prosecuted. He stressed that the MSP will not go forward with an investigation unless a crime is reported, and “there are all types of personal reasons” people sometimes don’t report a crime, he said.

“If somebody broke into your house, wouldn’t you immediately report it to the police? If someone assaulted you or your family member wouldn’t you report it immediately to the police?” Adamczyk said. “Well, why wouldn’t you, unless there’s a personal agenda there.”



Not at any time did they allude to not believing Crowder as you previously said. Which had nothing to do with your present claim of "ulterior motives", which the Police also did not allude to.

The Police spoke of a possible agenda because he didn't understand why Crowder had not come forward at the time, and we all know why that is. He made an either or challenge to the guy to come forward on his own.

And since Crowder has come forward and pressed charges, you can bet that such speculation no longer applies and is now where it belongs. In a trash can.


But way to misrepresent what the police say. It figures you would.

I suppose you are now going to say that the Police do not believe there is footage of him being assaulted as they say there is.



The investigation has just begun, there have been no arrests, and you have already determined guilt. Is that your ideal for a justice system, Excon?

December 17, 2012, 11:35 AM - "Crowder, who initially drew criticism from the state police when he declined to press charges for days after he was punched on camera, asked police Friday to look into the incident.

“As with any complaint, we will now initiate an investigation,” Banner told TPM.
 
The investigation has just begun, there have been no arrests, and you have already determined guilt. Is that your ideal for a justice system, Excon?

December 17, 2012, 11:35 AM - "Crowder, who initially drew criticism from the state police when he declined to press charges for days after he was punched on camera, asked police Friday to look into the incident.

“As with any complaint, we will now initiate an investigation,” Banner told TPM.
And?
Criticism is not disbelief as you stated.

You were being dishonest again. And you were caught.

And as for me, yes I have determined guilt, as that is the only conclusion that the video evidence allows.

Crowder's back was to him when he fell. He got up and assaulted Crowder.

He is guilty and most likely is going to plea to a lesser offense. Bet!
 
The investigation has just begun, there have been no arrests, and you have already determined guilt. Is that your ideal for a justice system, Excon?

December 17, 2012, 11:35 AM - "Crowder, who initially drew criticism from the state police when he declined to press charges for days after he was punched on camera, asked police Friday to look into the incident.

“As with any complaint, we will now initiate an investigation,” Banner told TPM.


Your posts are a joke...
 
And as for me, yes I have determined guilt, as that is the only conclusion that the video evidence allows.


I guess there is no need for an investigation is there?
 
I guess there is no need for an investigation is there?
No one said that, but they are going to come to the same conclusions I have.
 
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