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Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan [W:867]

Excon said:
Bs!
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Right like Crowder and his videos arent known for not doing these types of acts?

Trying to stop the Union thugs from tearing down a tent and damaging it is not looking for trouble.
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Ken Spitzley, a state agriculture department employee, told HuffPost that he walked to the protest at the state Capitol during a break from work and that he witnessed Crowder getting in protesters' faces.

"He was just after everybody," said the 56-year-old Spitzley, a procurement technician whose workplace is represented by the United Auto Workers. "There was no question he was there just to start a fight, to start some kind of trouble."

In an interview, Crowder said he was provoking protesters merely with his presence as a conservative and his pointed questions on right-to-work legislation. He described the assault as "brutal" and completely undeserved.

"I definitely provoked them," Crowder said. "I was asking them basic questions."

Sptizley offered one specific anecdote that Crowder disputed. According to Spitzley, Crowder had an exchange with two pro-union men wearing blue jeans, hard hats and Carhartt clothing. One of the men accused Crowder of working for Amway, the family company of Michigan businessman Dick DeVos. Crowder joked that he sells soap.

"He said, 'I sell soap. I should sell you some,'" Spitzley said, quoting Crowder.
Steven Crowder Punched: Man Claims Fox News Contributor Goaded Other Union Protesters


Right.... :roll:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Right like Crowder and his videos arent known for not doing these types of acts?



Ken Spitzley, a state agriculture department employee, told HuffPost that he walked to the protest at the state Capitol during a break from work and that he witnessed Crowder getting in protesters' faces.

"He was just after everybody," said the 56-year-old Spitzley, a procurement technician whose workplace is represented by the United Auto Workers. "There was no question he was there just to start a fight, to start some kind of trouble."

In an interview, Crowder said he was provoking protesters merely with his presence as a conservative and his pointed questions on right-to-work legislation. He described the assault as "brutal" and completely undeserved.

"I definitely provoked them," Crowder said. "I was asking them basic questions."

Sptizley offered one specific anecdote that Crowder disputed. According to Spitzley, Crowder had an exchange with two pro-union men wearing blue jeans, hard hats and Carhartt clothing. One of the men accused Crowder of working for Amway, the family company of Michigan businessman Dick DeVos. Crowder joked that he sells soap.

"He said, 'I sell soap. I should sell you some,'" Spitzley said, quoting Crowder.
Steven Crowder Punched: Man Claims Fox News Contributor Goaded Other Union Protesters


Right.... :roll:
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And you believe that? :doh
And of course asking basic questions is provoking, huh? :doh

Which has nothing to do with him trying to prevent the Union thugs from taking down and damaging the tent.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Tony swinging on him.
As the evidence shows.
 
Excon said:
And you believe that? :doh
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Unless you have anything to counter this claim, sure...
Why should i not?


And of course asking basic questions is provoking, huh? :doh
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Depends on what he is asking how he is asking it how prescient he is etc.

Which has nothing to do with him trying to prevent the Union thugs from taking down and damaging the tent.
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Never said it has anything to do with him not trying to stop the tent from being taken down.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with Tony swinging on him.
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Ok...

As the evidence shows.
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I agree the evidence does show that there was a fight and an assault.
But to overlook the actions of Crowder and other accounts is quite one sided.
 
Excon said:
I am not surprised you didn't take me up on the offer to say his name.
It would have required you to actually view the videos.

His first name can clearly be seen. It is Tony.
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Tony C o (something) g a or g o.
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So in the process of admitting it was his name and NOT an orga izarions patch you tell me I didn't watch the video. You know, the vjdeo where I told you his name was visible.

So what else are you wrong about?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
But to overlook the actions of Crowder and other accounts is quite one sided.
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Not in reference to Tony swinging on him.
Tony was preventing him from interfering with the person trying to take down the tent.
Crowder had moved away from and was facing the opposite direction of Tony who was having interactions with another person when Tony fell by his side.
Tony then reacted as if Crowder had pushed him down when he had not, and started swinging.
That is all on Tony and not Crowder. Period.
 
Excon said:
Not in reference to Tony swinging on him.
Tony was preventing him from interfering with the person trying to take down the tent.
Crowder had moved away from and was facing the opposite direction of Tony who was having interactions with another person when Tony fell by his side.
Tony then reacted as if Crowder had pushed him down when he had not, and started swinging.
That is all on Tony and not Crowder. Period.
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If only we ALL had that same camera in your head that runs footage that fills in the gaps where the actual camera is pointing elsewhere then comes back and Chowder is holding his hands up in the air facing a guy whose hands and knees were on the ground. :lol:

It's AMAZING that you see so many more things that no one else can see. Absolutely amazing. You should get into Tarrot cards too. You have the gift.
 
What if...? said:
So in the process of admitting it was his name and NOT an orga izarions patch you tell me I didn't watch the video. You know, the vjdeo where I told you his name was visible.

So what else are you wrong about?
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I'll give you that one as I misinterpreted what you had said.
That is all my own fault.

Though I am not wrong about the unedited video and what it shows.
I posted the frames from it to show just that.

Crowder did not push him to the ground.
Nor could he have.
 
Excon said:
Your hyper-partisan ship is showing.
It doesn't say that.

Nor does it change the fact that Tony swung on Crowder.


:doh
And of course you want to believe that even though it isn't backed up by anyone.
Nor would it change the facts as to Tony swinging on Crowder.

As it was impossible for Crowder to push Tony to the ground as their positions show.
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Maybe he tripped him, using one of his secret MMA moves. There's any number of ways he could have caused poor Tony to fall.

Tony certainly thought it was him.
 
poweRob said:
If only we ALL had that same camera in your head that runs footage that fills in the gaps where the actual camera is pointing elsewhere then comes back and Chowder is holding his hands up in the air facing a guy whose hands and knees were on the ground. :lol:

It's AMAZING that you see so many more things that no one else can see. Absolutely amazing. You should get into Tarrot cards too. You have the gift.
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You are still wrong!

The camera shows the direction he is facing before Tony falls. Away from him.
It also shows Tony in a verbal altercation with someone else and the crowd looking on.
The camera shows there is distance between the two with another in that distance.
The camera shows the direction Crowder is facing when Tony falls to his side. Away from him.

Crowder would have to be able to time shift to do what you accuse him of.

It was impossible for Crowder to have pushed him to the ground. Their own positions make it impossible.
 
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Maybe he tripped him, using one of his secret MMA moves. There's any number of ways he could have caused poor Tony to fall.

Tony certainly thought it was him.
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Bs! Their positions make it impossible.
And Tony was having a verbal exchange with another. The two were not engaged in any way at the time he fell.
 
Excon said:
Bs! Their positions make it impossible.
And Tony was having a verbal exchange with another. The two were not engaged in any way at the time he fell.
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You can clearly see crowders arm shoving into Tonys chest, then less than a second later Tony goes down. There's no one between Tony and the tent. So did the tent shove him down?
 
What if...? said:
You can clearly see crowders arm shoving into Tonys chest, then less than a second later Tony goes down. There's no one between Tony and the tent. So did the tent shove him down?
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Bs! You do not see his arm "shoving" into Tony's chest.
What a ridiculousness and absurd assertion. Which must be why Catawba likes it.

The point in question is @ the 1:37, 1:38 mark in the following video. All he is doing is moving his forearm up.


And that very same thing is at the 1:32 mark in the video from the OP. (You know the one that is unedited at the portion in question.)
He moves away from Tony at that point. Which is also where we can see Tony in a verbal exchange with the other guy.
AS I said. Their positions make it impossible for Crowder to have pushed Tony to the ground.
Did you get that yet? Impossible!


Stop with this absurdity.
Tony is at fault for swinging on Crowder.
 
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Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
 
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Moot said:
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Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
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:doh Holy ****! :doh

You can't be serious. You must think you are playing a stupid game or something.


Regarldless. Since you have posted your statement as if you were serious, so you must be.

Thereby showing everybody the fact that Moot is dishonest in debate.
Hell. She can ever read it on the picture. "Hannity" in the corner and "FNC CONTRIBUTOR STEVAN CROWDER ASSAULTED AT PRO-UNION RALLY IN MI".


In my very first two replies to you, I told where it could be found.

Excon said:
Moot said:
Steve Crowder provoked the fight.....

"I went out here to prove the left for who they truly are. Certainly, these union thugs. And I’ve achieved that."

....thats why he had to heavily edit the video.
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His statement does not mean he provoked a fight.

Secondly, you have no idea if the video is heavily edited or not. You want to say edited, sure, go ahead.
It is after all intended to show who these thugs truly are, which it does achieve. Of course editing is essential to time constraints and to highlight the important parts.
And you might want to watch the video that was in the OP's article as it shows what can be seen of what happened w/o editing.
Fox News contributor punched in face at pro-union protests in Michigan | Fox News
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Excon said:
Moot said:
The video shows the union man was on the ground before he jumped up to punch Crowder. Something occured before the altercation that was edited out by Crowder.

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:doh
Again. Watch the video that was in the OP's article as it shows what can be seen of what happened w/o editing.
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And umpteen times after.

And you even replied that you had watched the video. (Even though it was obvious that you had not.)

And now you ask where said information can be found, when you were already told, and said that you had watched it?
That is clearly you being dishonest in debate.


And how many times after that did I tell you again?
More than 20? Or was it just 18?

Regardless, it has been pointed out to you more than several times, over and over again, that the video in the OP's link was the unedited version.

As the link to the article which contains the video has been again provided for you above, Go and watch it.
He falls and is getting off the ground around the 1:35 mark.
 
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Meh, you're right that part is in the OP video. But it still isn't clear if Crowder pushed the guy or was just moving out the way.



So, Crowder alledgedly pressed charges today. I wonder how it will hold up in court since....

1. Crowder has admitted he went to the protest to provoke.

2. The large AFP tents appear to be set up in the middle of the protest to provoke and were largely empty.

3. The video shows people with vests calmly taking down the tent before the altercation.

4. The video shows Crowder accusing a man of tearing down the tent who isn't even near the tent.

5. Crowder has admitted to pushing people.

6. The video shows someone did push the man down to the ground before he punched Crowder.

7. Crowder admitted he wasn't that hurt after getting punched. He didn't go to a doctor to verify any injuries.

8. Crowder challenged the pro-union protestor to a fight on national TV.

9. Conservative activists have a history of filing false charges for publicity.


Thats just Crowders own evidence against himself. Somehow I don't think Crowders charges are going to stick. I think it will be thrown out and another publicity stunt bites the dust. If the man does come forward, it will be his word against Crowder who threw the first punch but again, the video shows someone pushed the man first.
 
Moot said:
Meh, you're right that part is in the OP video.
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:doh
Sad.

Moot said:
But it still isn't clear if Crowder pushed the guy or was just moving out the way.
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Bs! It is more than clear that he didn't push Tony, as their positions made it impossible.



Moot said:
So, Crowder alledgedly pressed charges today. I wonder how it will hold up in court since....
Just fine as he has video, and eye witness evidence.


1. Crowder has admitted he went to the protest to provoke.
Not in the sense you are using, he did not.

2. The large AFP tents appear to be set up in the middle of the protest to provoke and were largely empty.
Those tents were set up legally. They were also used by Union supporters. (See interview with Hot Dog vendor. )
Nor would it matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.

3. The video shows people with vests calmly taking down the tent before the altercation.
No. It shows Union workers taking it down.

4. The video shows Crowder accusing a man of tearing down the tent who isn't even near the tent.
At this time there is not enough to know if the guy had been involved or not.
Nor would it matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.

5. Crowder has admitted to pushing people.
Yes, In defense of the Tent. Allowable.
And since he did not push Tony, it would not matter to Tony assaulting Crowder.

6. The video shows someone did push the man down to the ground before he punched Crowder.
No it does not. That is your assumption.
It shows Tony falling to the ground. He could have tripped over something, been tripped, pushed or
simply lost his footing.

7. Crowder admitted he wasn't that hurt after getting punched. He didn't go to a doctor to verify any injuries.
Doesn't matter as to the crime. The crime is the crime. Not how much one is or isn't hurt.

8. Crowder challenged the pro-union protestor to a fight on national TV.
And? Good for him. It was after the fact. And it was an either turn yourself in or lets fight challenge.
And he can do what he wants. It wasn't illegal.
And has no bearing on Tony's illegal behavior.

9. Conservative activists have a history of filing false charges for publicity.
OMG! Will the partisan bs never stop?
If true, not in any percentage worth noting.
If true, the same goes for liberals, and it would also not be worth noting.
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Moot said:
Thats just Crowders own evidence against himself. Somehow I don't think Crowders charges are going to stick. I think it will be thrown out and another publicity stunt bites the dust. If the man does come forward, it will be his word against Crowder who threw the first punch but again, the video shows someone pushed the man first.
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The video will corroborate Crowder's account. Just as it will corroborate Crowders eyewitness's accounts as well.
But it wont corroborate Tony's unless he admits to acting unlawfully.
Tony doesn't have a chance except for a lenient Judge.
 
This subject is now taking on the air of the Treyvon Martin case, in the sense that so much is now being just made up out of whole cloth and repeated, IMO, to attempt to turn it into quasi fact because it has been repeated. It is fruitless to further have, or attempt to talk with individuals on opposite sides of this incident, because the same meme will just be regurgitated all over again.

The bottom line for me is:

1. The law is clear, and the MSP said that they would investigate, and prosecute as necessary if charges were filed.

2. Events leading up to, or during the assault at this point are up to a court, if charges, and a case is filed.

3. Doubtful that arguing with people that get a childish chuckle out of changing someone's name immaturely to provoke themselves is going to produce any consensus at all on the matter.

Have a nice day all. I'm out.
 
Moot said:
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Where is the video footage showing the man on the ground? All the videos that I've seen show that part has been edited out and only show the union man getting up as Crowder manuevers into postion in front him.
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Why DID Crowder square off with someone who fell down in a manner completely unrelated to him?
 
Excon said:
Not in reference to Tony swinging on him.
Tony was preventing him from interfering with the person trying to take down the tent.
Crowder had moved away from and was facing the opposite direction of Tony who was having interactions with another person when Tony fell by his side.
Tony then reacted as if Crowder had pushed him down when he had not, and started swinging.
That is all on Tony and not Crowder. Period.
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Your overlooking my points :doh
 
poweRob said:
I think this full circle you keep spinning in is done until even more evidence comes forth exposing your partisan blindness. Beyond the obvious that is already shown you to be wrong.
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your posts are just lies and garbage..you are just making stuff up
 
Travis007 said:
your posts are just lies and garbage..you are just making stuff up
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coming from a guy who didn't get one single thing correct about last election... not just wrong but wwwwwaaaaaayyyyyyy off base, I'll take your claims of accuracy as verifying I'm correct and I'll take the more insulting tone of your post as a badge of honor.
 
What if...? said:
Why DID Crowder square off with someone who fell down in a manner completely unrelated to him?
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Square off?

Tony fell and obviously struck Crowder on the way down as Crowder can be heard remarking, "You just assaulted me Buddy."
He turned to see Tony, a person who was obviously enraged who was getting up while focused on Crowder. And you are asking why he squared off with Tony?
Use your head to watch, observe and think through what is happening in the videos. Not just to knee jerk.

Ridiculous. :doh
 
Excon said:
Square off?

Tony fell and obviously struck Crowder on the way down as Crowder can be heard remarking, "You just assaulted me Buddy."
He turned to see Tony, a person who was obviously enraged who was getting up while focused on Crowder. And you are asking why he squared off with Tony?
Use your head to watch, observe and think through what is happening in the videos. Not just to knee jerk.

Ridiculous. :doh
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You keep leaving oit the why.

Tony was.engaged with someone else.

Crowder goes past him toward the tent then we see tony go down as crowder goes ack away from the tent.

Crowder says he tripped, but he obviously felt crowder was responsible.
 
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