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House votes: Michigan is going to become a 'right-to-work' state for all

Gov Snyder was against removing union rights in that state. The Republicans lost seats in the legislature and are a lame duck crew until January. Snyder just made it clear that he is a pawn. Someone yanked that bitches choke chain and he reversed himself and this was rammed through so fast no one was allowed to debate it. There's some hidden figures taking action in Michigan and this lame duck legislature and pawn of a governor are their tools. This organized and was rammed through far too quick to be otherwise.

I heard that the gov warned union leaders that if they attempted to push through the (failed) referendum on placing union rights in the constution, he would pursue a right to work law. So, it doesn't seem that this should be too big a surprise to them.
 
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The GOP has evolved into merely being a Koch Brother's front. Charles and David Koch pwn the GOP... heart and soul. And the parts that aren't owned by the brothers are being bitchslapped into step by these organizations listed above like Grover Norquist's American's for Tax Reform who threatens GOP members with being primaried if they don't do the lock-step as they are told.


If you want to see yet another angle on the Koch brother's conspiracy behind the GOP...

John Birch Society

Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was one of the founding members.​


That is the Koch brothers' daddy. A conspiracy minded view of this would be to see that the GOP is now being morphed by the Koch brothers into the John Birch society.
 
I don't understand why Union folk are so angry about this. Does "Right to Work" mean it's illegal to start or invite in a union? Or does it simply mean that now folks can choose to join or NOT join unions?
 
I'm always game for a good conspiracy theory (and no I'm not being sarcastic). Let me know if you find any leads as to the identities of the hidden figures.



Michigan, considered a cradle of unionization, has struggled economically in epic, humiliating ways for decades now. Not to say I'm implying direct cause and effect, but the correlation is somewhat undeniable. So, "pay the price?" What has the state got to lose anymore, for chrisake?

Alot of Republicans in elected office is what they will be giving up. This is not going to stand for long. It will go the way of DOMA, Don't ask , don't tell, laws restricting womens rights and any other teaparty B.S. we got because the young people didn't vote in 2010. Laws can be overturned as easily as they are passed.
 
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I will say this about this move... Republicans will pay a price in Michigan for this.

Half of Michigan left. Detroit is Beirut. Unions have destroyed this state beyond recognition.

And you want to make it worse?
 
Alot of Republicans in elected office is what they will be giving up. This is not going to stand for long. It will go the way of DOMA, Don't ask , don't tell, laws restricting womens rights and any other teaparty B.S. we got because the young people didn't vote in 2010. Never again.

The tea party didn't invent don't ask, don't tell.



Among other things you listed.
 
So why all of this negativity?


Honestly, was michigan doing all that well under the current climate? If something isn't working, shouldn't you change it?
 
I love how these alleged "liberal" progressives back the notion that people shouldn't have a choice to join a labor union or not.

They're a bunch of hypocrites.

In their silly minds a woman should be allowed to have the choice to kill her fetus but a worker SHOULDN'T have the choice to join a union or not.

As usual progressives are the gift that keeps on giving. I could write a book about progressive hypocrisy - especially on the issue of labor and unions.

This book by Jonah Goldberg addresses this issue..

Liberal Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Americans for Prosperity

"Five years ago my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start the Americans for Prosperity." -- David Koch


CATO Institute

The Heritage Foundation

As of February 2011, Heritage reported 710,000 supporters.[44] Heritage Foundation is also a part of the Koch Foundation Associate Program.​


FreedomWorks

FreedomWorks originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).​


ALEC


Tea Party

"The Washington Examiner describes Koch as the “financial engine of the Tea Party”​


Koch strategy retreat

See Koch Event 2010-06 Attendees for the names and affiliations of roughly 200 participants from the June 2010 meeting in Aspen Colorado, including hedge fund executives, Republican donors, and free-market evangelists[55] - and for the actions some have taken.

Earlier guests included politicians and Supreme Court justices (Scalia & Thomas).

The politicians included Governors Haley Barbour and Bobby Jindal; Senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn and Representatives Mike Pence, Tom Price and Paul Ryan.​


The Center to Protect Patients Rights

Americans for Tax Reform

The GOP has evolved into merely being a Koch Brother's front. Charles and David Koch pwn the GOP... heart and soul. And the parts that aren't owned by the brothers are being bitchslapped into step by these organizations listed above like Grover Norquist's American's for Tax Reform who threatens GOP members with being primaried if they don't do the lock-step as they are told.


If you want to see yet another angle on the Koch brother's conspiracy behind the GOP...

John Birch Society

Fred Koch, founder of Koch Industries, was one of the founding members.​


That is the Koch brothers' daddy. A conspiracy minded view of this would be to see that the GOP is now being morphed by the Koch brothers into the John Birch society.

OHMERGERD! You mean rich conservatives give to conservative groups!?!?!!! SOMEONE GET THE PRESIDENT ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY.


:roll: really. you remind me of Glenn Beck and his George-Soros-Is-Behind-Everything special. :roll:
 
I will say this about this move... Republicans will pay a price in Michigan for this.


The desperation and quivering in your post is legion. I'll bet your palms are sweating as you type.

:lamo

Liberals go crazy when they can't STEAL MONEY FROM PEOPLE.
 
OHMERGERD! You mean rich conservatives give to conservative groups!?!?!!! SOMEONE GET THE PRESIDENT ON THE PHONE RIGHT AWAY.


:roll: really. you remind me of Glenn Beck and his George-Soros-Is-Behind-Everything special. :roll:

Gives to? More like founded.
 
The desperation and quivering in your post is legion. I'll bet your palms are sweating as you type.

:lamo

Liberals go crazy when they can't STEAL MONEY FROM PEOPLE.

If making me the topic of the thead is what gets your rocks off. Go for it. All I'm just saying is that this move is an obvious foreshadowing of a reaction to come.
 
I will say this about this move... Republicans will pay a price in Michigan for this.

I am sorry but Gov. Walker was removed from office for opposing the unions when exactly? Unions are all bark.
 
I am sorry but Gov. Walker was removed from office for opposing the unions when exactly? Unions are all bark.

They aren't all bark. They are just weak anymore. And any blame put on unions for fault of anything is just ridiculous. They are but a speck from their hayday in the 40's and 50's when about 1/3 of the U.S. working population was unionized and not so coincidentally the US economy was rolling right along in great fashion with a huge and strong middle class.
 
They aren't all bark. They are just weak anymore. And any blame put on unions for fault of anything is just ridiculous. They are but a speck from their hayday in the 40's and 50's when about 1/3 of the U.S. working population was unionized and not so coincidentally the US economy was rolling right along in great fashion with a huge and strong middle class.

That was before they realized they had already accomplished everything useful, and began to be parasites on their members and host companies, no?
 
If making me the topic of the thead is what gets your rocks off. Go for it. All I'm just saying is that this move is an obvious foreshadowing of a reaction to come.

What are you implying?
 
That was before they realized they had already accomplished everything useful, and began to be parasites on their members and host companies, no?

No. It's when the Republicans decided to go against unions after the 50's (Check out the "Labor" section of the 1956 Republican platform)... So they assaulted unions every since and the union membership dropped and the economy followed it down. No?
 
No. It's when the Republicans decided to go against unions after the 50's (Check out the "Labor" section of the 1956 Republican platform)... So they assaulted unions every since and the union membership dropped and the economy followed it down. No?

This part:

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.

We applaud the effective, unhindered, collective bargaining which brought an early end to the 1956 steel strike,

Confused...sounds supportive to me?
 
Did the Wisconsin legislature flip this past electoral cycle?

1) Wisconsin isn't Michigan
2) Gerrymandering in Wisconsin made sure it didn't.
3) Evidence that Wisconsin Republicans are living on gerrymandered districts... Democrats outpolled Republicans in Wisconsin this last election by 200,000. Yet they are on the minority.
 
That was my point. That was the 1956 GOP policies.

Tsk...tsk, have you even read the 1956 GOP Platform? I expected you to return with this:

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration. In 1954, 1955 and again in 1956, President Eisenhower recommended constructive amendments to this Act. The Democrats in Congress have consistently blocked these needed changes by parliamentary

Which was also included in the platform and union officials referred them to 'slave-labor' acts...now which is your point?

...damn! it seems I'm arguing with myself...:lamo
 
1) Wisconsin isn't Michigan
2) Gerrymandering in Wisconsin made sure it didn't.
3) Evidence that Wisconsin Republicans are living on gerrymandered districts... Democrats outpolled Republicans in Wisconsin this last election by 200,000. Yet they are on the minority.

Of course Wisconsin isn't Michigan...was that rhetorical? Anyway persuant to your response did the Michigan legislature flip in November?

Of couse not...because of gerrymandering in Michigan...remind me who won, how which gave them the ability to gerrymander. Remember 'elections have consequences'.

No evidence needed. It is unfortunate the Dems were not foresighted enough to realize the power of the census...:lamo
 
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