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OnWisconsin said:
If you don't want to join a union dont join one.. How damn hard is that. I'm an Ironworker. No one forced me to join, infact I wanted to join. If I didn't want to pay union dues, then I easily could have found another line of work.
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Why should someone be forced to consider an entirely different line of work because they don't want to join an organization? Why can't an ironworker just be an ironworker?
 
winston53660 said:
The Texas Independent added, “the median hourly earnings for all Texas workers was $11.20 per hour in 2010, compared to the national median of $12.50 per hour.”

You should try reading the articles sometimes.
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Hell of a lot easier to live on 11.20 per hour almost ANYWHERE in the south, Texas included, than it is to live on even 15 bucks an hour in CT.


Just saying.
 
KevinKohler said:
Why should someone be forced to consider an entirely different line of work because they don't want to join an organization? Why can't an ironworker just be an ironworker?
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Not sure how many places still allow it but you used to not have to join the Union, just so long as you paid Union dues. That was very illustrative of what the game is all about for the unions.
 
Fisher said:
Not sure how many places still allow it but you used to not have to join the Union, just so long as you paid Union dues. That was very illustrative of what the game is all about for the unions.
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Unions are a for profit business. Look at the lifestyles of some of the top union heads, for many of the larger ones in this country, and this would be clear to even a union supporter.
 
Conservative said:
You just don't get it nor do you understand minimum wage. TX pays the Federal Minimum wage and California isn't counted because the state has its own. You try to live in California on $8 per hour compared to TX at $7.25. Stop buying what you are told and get the facts. It is the Federal Minimum wage that is counted by the BLS not the individual state minimum wage. California has more than a million more on California minimum wage than TX has on the Federal Minimum wage.
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Umm get the facts Rick Perry created more minimum wage jobs than threst of the country because of right to work. You keep talking about fact yet you provide no links, really all your doing at this point is blowing hot air. Texas is anti Union state created by Republicans we all know the other crap Perry and Republicans have done. Do we need to get in to the wasted money on toll roads. Poor education bad health insurance, Alll do to right to work.
 
MaggieD said:
You cannot agree to a contract that contains illegal provisions.
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In a true free market, there's no such thing as an illegal contract. As long as all parties are in agreement, it's legal, and any available means of enforcing that contract must also be legal.

Any system that makes specific contracts illegal is not a true free market. NO exceptions.
 
solletica said:
In a true free market, there's no such thing as an illegal contract. As long as all parties are in agreement, it's legal, and any available means of enforcing that contract must also be legal.

Any system that makes specific contracts illegal is not a true free market. NO exceptions.
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You are wrong. I cannot enter into an enforceable contract with someone that says I can abuse his child three times a week. I cannot enter into an enforceable contract that you will pay me $15,000 a week for 3 pounds of cocaine. These things have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not our economy is based on "a true free market."
 
MaggieD said:
You are wrong. I cannot enter into an enforceable contract with someone that says I can abuse his child three times a week.
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In a pure free market, this will be allowed as long as the child is also involved in the contract negotiations.

MaggieD said:
I cannot enter into an enforceable contract that you will pay me $15,000 a week for 3 pounds of cocaine.
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Yes, in a pure free market, there's no such thing as illegal drugs, so this will be allowed.
 
TaraAnne said:
Umm get the facts Rick Perry created more minimum wage jobs than threst of the country because of right to work. You keep talking about fact yet you provide no links, really all your doing at this point is blowing hot air. Texas is anti Union state created by Republicans we all know the other crap Perry and Republicans have done. Do we need to get in to the wasted money on toll roads. Poor education bad health insurance, Alll do to right to work.
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A job is a job which beats the hell out of taxpayer funded unemployment. I don't know where you get your information but obviously Think Progress is hardly a credible source. Why don't you and Winston get a U-Haul and move out of the state that you seem to dislike so much. Let me know how much greener the grass is in other states. I have been in everyone of them and you aren't going to find a better state than TX to live in and work in.

You want links? Go to BLS and do your own research, Find out how many Federal Minimum wage jobs there are in the state of TX and then find out the size of the labor force. Get back to with the answer plus the answer as to holds those minimum wage jobs in TX. Doesn't appear that you understand personal responsibility like most very liberal people. I hope I am around when you realize how wrong you have been.
 
MaggieD said:
You are wrong. I cannot enter into an enforceable contract with someone that says I can abuse his child three times a week. I cannot enter into an enforceable contract that you will pay me $15,000 a week for 3 pounds of cocaine. These things have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not our economy is based on "a true free market."
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In a true free market you can do whatever you want. We arent talking about a true free market, though, but a free market under the united states constitution, where all parties have agreed to certain limitations such as that the govt protects the lives of all citizens, including children. And certain rights which can not be infringed upon, such as forced labor.
 
TaraAnne said:
Umm get the facts Rick Perry created more minimum wage jobs than threst of the country because of right to work. You keep talking about fact yet you provide no links, really all your doing at this point is blowing hot air. Texas is anti Union state created by Republicans we all know the other crap Perry and Republicans have done. Do we need to get in to the wasted money on toll roads. Poor education bad health insurance, Alll do to right to work.
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I understand how actual data gets in the way of Think Progress or the Daily Kos articles but I find it quite concerning how so many buy the rhetoric and do no research. Here are the facts from the Bureau of Labor Statistics for the state of TX. You can find the data on California as well but doubt you want to go there as you will find over a million more making California minimum wage.

Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2011

Minimum Wage Workers in Texas - 2011

Of the 5.9 million workers paid hourly rates in Texas in 2011, 259,000 earned exactly the prevailing Federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, while 214,000 earned less, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. Regional Commissioner Stanley Suchman noted that the 473,000 workers earning the Federal minimum wage or less made up 8.0 percent of all hourly-paid workers in the state. Nationwide, those earning the Federal minimum or less accounted for 5.2 percent of the hourly-paid workforce. (The Texas minimum wage is equal to the prevailing Federal minimum wage.)
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That total is less than 500,000 out of a labor force in the millions. I suggest better research on your part as TX has a labor force of about 11 million
 
KevinKohler said:
Why should someone be forced to consider an entirely different line of work because they don't want to join an organization? Why can't an ironworker just be an ironworker?
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because ironworkers that dont join unions make far less money, therefor, why wouldnt you want to join a union if you were an ironworker... I pay 50 bucks a month in dues.. big deal. I get back far more.
 
OnWisconsin said:
because ironworkers that dont join unions make far less money, therefor, why wouldnt you want to join a union if you were an ironworker... I pay 50 bucks a month in dues.. big deal. I get back far more.
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Didn't answer the question. It's ok, I never expected you to. There's this thing called cognitive dissonance.
 
In the private unions no one is forced to join a union. There is union/non-union of just about every trade out there. If you don't like the benefits a union brings to you then get work through non-union trades.
 
TaraAnne said:
Umm get the facts Rick Perry created more minimum wage jobs than threst of the country because of right to work. You keep talking about fact yet you provide no links, really all your doing at this point is blowing hot air. Texas is anti Union state created by Republicans we all know the other crap Perry and Republicans have done. Do we need to get in to the wasted money on toll roads. Poor education bad health insurance, Alll do to right to work.
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Texas was controlled by democrats from the end of the reconstruction period, until the 1980's. The Texas Right To Work law was passed in 1947.
 
TaraAnne said:
Rick Perry and his Texas jobs boom: The whole story - Aug. 12, 2011

You still havent proven a thing Perry has created more minimum wage job than anyone in the country. Period Those are fact that you cant seem to grasp!
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As I pointed out and you ignored less than 500,000 people in a labor force of 11 million are making TX minimum wage. Any idea who those 500,000 are and why is this an issue for you as obviously you have no idea what their cost of living is nor any other financial obligations. Just like a typical liberal however you know what is best for someone else.

You also ran from the issue of moving out of the state if you don't like what is going on here.
 
lizzie said:
Texas was controlled by democrats from the end of the reconstruction period, until the 1980's. The Texas Right To Work law was passed in 1947.
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Lizze everyone in Texas understands that. They also understand that the Democrats that passed that law are the same one that fought segregation and every other civil rights issue that came down the pike. They were Democrats and then went Republican and raised their children as bible thumpers that are now in control of Perry and some of Texas. The great thing is that it pretty much run out of steam and the state is 4 years away from being blue. Hopefully right to work will go away.
 
Conservative said:
As I pointed out and you ignored less than 500,000 people in a labor force of 11 million are making TX minimum wage. Any idea who those 500,000 are and why is this an issue for you as obviously you have no idea what their cost of living is nor any other financial obligations. Just like a typical liberal however you know what is best for someone else.

You also ran from the issue of moving out of the state if you don't like what is going on here.
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I cant stop laughing at this post! Like I said before and will say again Perry has created more minimum wage jobs in America. The main reason he had to use stimulus money from Obama was to get the budget balanced. He has wasted alot of money on his corporate cronies in the past. You do not seem to grasp the concept I am talking about job creation compared to the rest of the nation. Texas is a service driven economy


Texas on the Brink - Just Where Does Rick Perry's Texas Rank? - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
 
TaraAnne said:
I cant stop laughing at this post! Like I said before and will say again Perry has created more minimum wage jobs in America. The main reason he had to use stimulus money from Obama was to get the budget balanced. He has wasted alot of money on his corporate cronies in the past. You do not seem to grasp the concept I am talking about job creation compared to the rest of the nation. Texas is a service driven economy


Texas on the Brink - Just Where Does Rick Perry's Texas Rank? - Yahoo! Voices - voices.yahoo.com
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You are absolutely unbelieveable, what is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty. There are 1.5 million minimum wage workers in California so where is your outrage? Do you make minimum wage? If so, why and if not why is this an issue for you?

All I see from you is someone baiting and trolling while spouting opinions on subjects that you have no understanding about. You hate the state you live in which bodes again the question why stay here? Obviously you have no concept of personal responsibility, have no idea why Fortune 500 companies are moving to TX none of which pay minimum wage, nor do you understand basic economics. You have found the political ideology that matches your abilities and skill set.

By the way, thanks for the good laugh at the 2009 article you referenced. Says a lot about you, this is 2012.
 
Conservative

All I see from you is someone baiting and trolling while spouting opinions on subjects that you have no understanding about. You hate the state you live in which bodes again the question why stay here? Obviously you have no concept of personal responsibility, have no idea why Fortune 500 companies are moving to TX none of which pay minimum wage, nor do you understand basic economics. You have found the political ideology that matches your abilities and skill set.


How can I be trolling when I am psting article that go right along with the topic and show the income dfferance in rigth to work states and the fact that Perry has created a bunch of low paying bad benefit working jobs in Texas. The fact is you cannot come up with a better arguement. You somehow got it in your head that I am worried about California. I could careless I am worried about the future of texas and the bozo that support and run the Republican party in my state.

You have lost this discussion and say I am trolling yeah riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


By the was Texas has a population just over 25 million and California is just under 38 million so your comparison of the two staes doesnt pass the math either. I guess you alos agree with Texas xhanging history books to. Just another reason why Texas has education problems
 
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