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Conservative said:
I don't understand the disconnect here as SS and Medicare were created as a retirement supplemental and the funds were never intended to fund the Federal Government operating expenses. The fact that working poor do pay into SS and Medicare is irrelevant as they get that money back when they retire or shouldn't they have to pay anything for that retirement and healthcare?

The Federal Operating expenses are funded by the Federal Income taxes. Included in those expenses is the debt service on the debt. Here again are the line items in the Federal Budget that are funded by Federal Income Taxes. Almost half the country pay nothing for those expenses. These are the expenses that Obama wants to pay for by increasing taxes on the rich. Raising those taxes back to Clinton levels only generates 80 billion a year if there are no consequences for that tax increase. That money will not fund the govt. for 8 days.

So let's be real here and start talking about expenses, what taxes fund what expense, and what expenses does the Federal Govt. really need. we also cannot forget state taxes and what those taxes fund either. Seems a lot of people do not understand taxes and continue to buy the Obama rhetoric.
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No matter how many times I have reminded you, this point never sinks in. Your hero, Ronnie, at the behest of Greenspan, INCREASED the FICA rate to create a surplus for spending in the general fund....AND DECREASED tax rates on upper income. So this "not understanding" REALLY needs to end, along with this notion that "50% don't pay taxes", they have been contributing to the general fund since the FICA increase in 1983.
 
Conservative said:
That is the easy way out, call taxes taxes and ignore their intent. It is easy calling for increased taxes on the rich when the majority in this country don't understand what FIT funds. Too many fall into that trap and that is exactly what Obama and liberals want.
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It's not "Obama and the liberals" who are saying that the poor don't pay taxes.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No matter how many times I have reminded you, this point never sinks in. Your hero, Ronnie, at the behest of Greenspan, INCREASED the FICA rate to create a surplus for spending in the general fund....AND DECREASED tax rates on upper income. So this "not understanding" REALLY needs to end, along with this notion that "50% don't pay taxes", they have been contributing to the general fund since the FICA increase in 1983.
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"MY" hero increased FICA taxes to keep SS and Medicare Solvent. Nice attempt at diversion though along with ignoring that Federal Tax INCOME TAX revenue went up during the Reagan years with those Reagan tax cuts but never let a fact get in the way of your partisan opinions.

Anyone that works is required to pay into SS and Medicare, neither of which were supposed to go into the General Fund. Really is hard dealing with people who don't understand taxes
 
Dittohead not! said:
It's not "Obama and the liberals" who are saying that the poor don't pay taxes.
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No, they are claiming that just like you a tax is a tax regardless of where it comes from. That is hardly the case when it comes to SS and Medicare which are funded by payroll taxes. When you buy the liberal rhetoric the battle and war are lost.
 
Conservative said:
"MY" hero increased FICA taxes to keep SS and Medicare Solvent. Nice attempt at diversion though along with ignoring that Federal Tax INCOME TAX revenue went up during the Reagan years with those Reagan tax cuts but never let a fact get in the way of your partisan opinions.

Anyone that works is required to pay into SS and Medicare, neither of which were supposed to go into the General Fund. Really is hard dealing with people who don't understand taxes
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Taxing the working people what a great idea:roll:
 
With private sector unions that math adds up funny. Let me see if I have this straight. The tax payers pay the government, who then uses these tax dollars to pay public union workers. This is OK so far. The union then collects dues, which originated from the taxpayer, and uses that taxpayer money to buy politians who will give them more tax payer money.

It is like a money laundering scam. Tax payer money is laundered through the [public sector unions since polititians can just take the tax money directly for personal gain. it may be cheaper than way, since they need to kick back tax money to the laundrymat which adds expanse. This may explain the need for public sector unions. Divide the booty with the pirates for services rendered.
 
Conservative said:
No, they are claiming that just like you a tax is a tax regardless of where it comes from. That is hardly the case when it comes to SS and Medicare which are funded by payroll taxes. When you buy the liberal rhetoric the battle and war are lost.
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It isn't "liberal rhetoric" to call a spade a spade, or a tax a tax. What did you just call it?
 
Conservative said:
"MY" hero increased FICA taxes to keep SS and Medicare Solvent.
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Even Greenspan admitted that is not true.
Nice attempt at diversion though along with ignoring that Federal Tax INCOME TAX revenue went up during the Reagan years with those Reagan tax cuts but never let a fact get in the way of your partisan opinions.
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And you are ignoring that the Reagan spending spree far outstripped revenue, nearly tripling the level of debt.

Anyone that works is required to pay into SS and Medicare, neither of which were supposed to go into the General Fund.
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Oh....they weren't "supposed" to go into the general fund.....well alright then! It was just a "mistake" I suppose. Regardless, they ARE, so you, personally, can give up this "50% don't pay" into the general fund. Glad we cleared that up.....AGAIN.

Really is hard dealing with people who don't understand taxes
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Tell me about it, there is this guy I have to constantly remind......
 
winston53660 said:
Taxing the working people what a great idea:roll:
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Taxing the working people to save for their retirement and healthcare is a bad idea? Why don't you just adopt a poor person and take care of them yourself.
 
Dittohead not! said:
It isn't "liberal rhetoric" to call a spade a spade, or a tax a tax. What did you just call it?
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I call it what it was supposed to be, supplemental retirement and healthcare benefits funded by the individual along with the employer.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Even Greenspan admitted that is not true. And you are ignoring that the Reagan spending spree far outstripped revenue, nearly tripling the level of debt.

Oh....they weren't "supposed" to go into the general fund.....well alright then! It was just a "mistake" I suppose. Regardless, they ARE, so you, personally, can give up this "50% don't pay" into the general fund. Glad we cleared that up.....AGAIN.

Tell me about it, there is this guy I have to constantly remind......
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You really have to get over your outrage over Reagan since you probably weren't old enough to even know what the economy was like then. When Reagan left office the debt was 2.6 trillion dollars which today is 16.3 trillion. Don't think you should be talking about someone who added 1.7 trillion to the debt while ignoring someone who has added 5.6 trillion to the debt and expects to pay that down by collecting an additional 80 billion a year from those evil rich people.
 
Conservative said:
I call it what it was supposed to be, supplemental retirement and healthcare benefits funded by the individual along with the employer.
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Actually it's funded by me the 23 year old college grad and my employer.
 
Conservative said:
I call it what it was supposed to be, supplemental retirement and healthcare benefits funded by the individual along with the employer.
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That is, indeed, what it was supposed to be.

We used to say that two Supposedtas and a dime would get you a cup of coffee, but that's out of date.

Now, two Supposedtas and five bucks will get you a tall latte mocha with fru fru's on top.

A "Supposedta" is about of the same value as a wuzgonna.

You know, as in "I wuzgonna do those dishes, wuzgonna give you your twenty bucks back, wuzgonna pick up that mess, etc."

Or, the president "wuzgonna" reduce the deficit.

Actually, you called it a tax, which is what it is in reality.
 
Conservative said:
You really have to get over your outrage over Reagan since you probably weren't old enough to even know what the economy was like then.
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Dude I was a working stiff then, quit this assuming you know my age.

When Reagan left office the debt was 2.6 trillion dollars which today is 16.3 trillion. Don't think you should be talking about someone who added 1.7 trillion to the debt while ignoring someone who has added 5.6 trillion to the debt and expects to pay that down by collecting an additional 80 billion a year from those evil rich people.
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I see you have forgotten what the conversation was about, it was about your continuing confusion about who is paying into the general fund. Just once I would like to see you remember that the SS Trust Fund has been and is being used to fund discretionary spending and for you to stop saying "it was never intended to". Stop lying to yourself.
 
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