Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

Grant said:

We saw that in this past election where a good man was being accused of being successful, a bully, out of touch, lacking in patriotism, a racist, a misogynist, and so on. And of course the same is being done now against Obama.

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Yeah, because in 2008 we never heard about Obama not being born in the U.S., or him being a Muslim, terrorist sympathizer, etc. Those were all comments from the RIGHT which only continued during his first term while adding terms like Socialist, MArxist etc. So you can act like poor poor Romney was just attacked by the vicious left, however, this type of crap has been going on for quite a while from BOTH sides.

Grant said:

But it was the Left who set the agenda and now the Right is responding. It seems to me that the war will only get worse.

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No, it's your OPINION it was the left who set the agenda. However, even if we were to take you as being correct (which you aren't), it's ****ing childish to continue the same tone that YOU thought was the WRONG thing to do. Two sides acting like children and you support it. Go figure. Hence, my comment still stands UNREFUTED that both sides need to grow up.

TheNextEra said:

Yeah, because in 2008 we never heard about Obama not being born in the U.S., or him being a Muslim, terrorist sympathizer, etc. Those were all comments from the RIGHT which only continued during his first term while adding terms like Socialist, MArxist etc. So you can act like poor poor Romney was just attacked by the vicious left, however, this type of crap has been going on for quite a while from BOTH sides.

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Care should be taken that he was born in the US, that he was not a Marxist, that he is not a Muslim, etc. This is serious inquiry and important to the United States, its Constitution and its democracy. But people were being put down for even raising these serious questions.

Had the answers to these questions been open to investigation, as well as others regarding his past, then much of this would have been resolved. It's only that the left, as well Obama and his attorneys of course, refused investigations that the back and forth began.

An open and honest investigation as to his eligibility, as should naturally have occurred as it would be in any job involving national security issues, would have made the whole issue disappear.

No, it's your OPINION it was the left who set the agenda. However, even if we were to take you as being correct (which you aren't), it's ****ing childish to continue the same tone that YOU thought was the WRONG thing to do. Two sides acting like children and you support it. Go figure. Hence, my comment still stands UNREFUTED that both sides need to grow up.

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The country is being divided and deliberately so. Please take the time to watch this. PJTV - Bill Whittle - The Narrative - Political Correctness - YouTube

tererun said:

Are you kidding, the comedy on their network is great. Do you mean that you bitch at the opposite side without actually watching it to know what they say? That is just stupid.

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Well-said.

Your avatar's face really fits the theme of your posts in this thread, BTW!

LowDown said:

Well, that completely misrepresents what Coulter said. She started out by saying that the next 4 years are going to be horrible economically because of Obama, and that there's nothing that the Republicans can do about it. That being the case she wants to make sure that Obama and the Democrats get the blame for the bad economy and that Republicans take the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016. She apparently thinks the way to do that is to make Obama own the economic problems, and one of the ways to do that is for them to give him the tax increases in the wealthy that he wants. She's afraid that if the Bush tax cuts expire the Republicans will get the blame for it.

Personally, I think that the Republicans will get a lot of bad press, but that their supporters will rally behind them if the hold their ground.

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She's assuming Obama will actually be held accountable for something

Will never happen. If Obama was caught eating babies and having sex with corpses, all of his cult followers would blame it on the GOP

Grant said:

Care should be taken that he was born in the US, that he was not a Marxist, that he is not a Muslim, etc. This is serious inquiry and important to the United States, its Constitution and its democracy. But people were being put down for even raising these serious questions.

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Care should be taken that he was born in the U.S. Which it was, hence he followed the rules. It was only idiotic morons like Trump and his faithful moron followers that believed otherwise. Those fools had their asses handed to them and rightfully so. As for the Marxist and Muslim thing, although OBama is neither of those, none of those prevents him from being President as much as you hate that.

Grant said:

Had the answers to these questions been open to investigation, as well as others regarding his past, then much of this would have been resolved. It's only that the left, as well Obama and his attorneys of course, refused investigations that the back and forth began.

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They were answered, but again, only idiots and morons were the ones questioning it further. Maybe that says more about you than Obama, but I don't know how you felt about those with Obama so it's not a personal attack on you.

Grant said:

The country is being divided and deliberately so. Please take the time to watch this. PJTV - Bill Whittle - The Narrative - Political Correctness - YouTube

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Wow, that's 13 minutes of wasted time I will not get back in my life. Yet again, you prove my point about people on Both sides and they need to grow up. The fact you believe in such propaganda says more about you and the right (along with some of the nutball left) than it ever will about Obama.

You are ok with dividing as long as YOUR side is doing it, got it. Thanks for showing your hypocrisy and the fact that I have no faith in the right if you consider yourself the "common man" of the right.

Bronson said:

She's assuming Obama will actually be held accountable for something

Will never happen. If Obama was caught eating babies and having sex with corpses, all of his cult followers would blame it on the GOP

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Much like Bush was not held accountable for anything. In fact the right sings praises of Bush. Sorry, but your messiah Bush left office, I'm glad there are term limits. The fact ANY president isn't held accountable for much of what they do is astounding. That goes for BOTH sides, but then I have a feeling you are one of the right that believes "Their" side is never wrong.

It just about kills me that something Ann Coulter said is a thread topic in "Breaking News." Sigh, I guess there's no " I don't Give a ****" forum.

Middleground said:

It just about kills me that something Ann Coulter said is a thread topic in "Breaking News." Sigh, I guess there's no " I don't Give a ****" forum.

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Proclamations from Coulter are about as cogent as rightwing talking heads get nowadays. All they have left is Obamaphobia and their fawning desire to make sure Paris Hilton keeps her hard-earned inherited fortune.

TheNextEra said:

Care should be taken that he was born in the U.S. Which it was, hence he followed the rules.

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There is some real doubt about that and much of it appears to be legitimate. Of course if you put party ahead of country then it is your best interests to ignore his past or shout down and ridicule those who do have concerns.

It was only idiotic morons like Trump and his faithful moron followers that believed otherwise. Those fools had their asses handed to them and rightfully so.

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Wow!!You made my point for me in the very next paragraph! Don't you think it's in the country's best interest that a candidate is completely qualified to be President of the United States? Why object to questions being raised? The laddy does protest too much, me thinks!

As for the Marxist and Muslim thing, although OBama is neither of those, none of those prevents him from being President as much as you hate that.

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Muslims believe him to be a Muslim and, according to Islamic law, he is. Of course he was raised in a Marxist home, educated and sympathized with Marxism and many Marxists believe him to be a Marxist. But I suppose Barry Soetoro ain't sayin'.

Maybe that says more about you than Obama, but I don't know how you felt about those with Obama so it's not a personal attack on you.

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My feeling is that every candidates past should be an open book, not a sealed one. I don't understand why anyone would feel otherwise.

Wow, that's 13 minutes of wasted time I will not get back in my life. Yet again, you prove my point about people on Both sides and they need to grow up. The fact you believe in such propaganda says more about you and the right (along with some of the nutball left) than it ever will about Obama.

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That's called an ad hominem attack. Of course that doesn't bother me at all but it does waste time. If you disagree with anything said then you can raise the point and we can debate it. That's why we are here, isn't it? Don't we want to challenge each others ideas and opinions to test and validate our own?

You are ok with dividing as long as YOUR side is doing it, got it. Thanks for showing your hypocrisy and the fact that I have no faith in the right if you consider yourself the "common man" of the right.

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I am not a common man and never claimed to be. I'm a man you don't meet every day.

Rapunzel52 said:

What does the Tea Party stand for and what do they want?

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Well the last only Tea Party event I went to it was 90% social issues and about 10% fiscal policy. Honestly it was really hard to say what they stood for. They really had no direction. I have my popcorn and like you would love to see what the teabaggers stand for.

TheNextEra said:

Much like Bush was not held accountable for anything. In fact the right sings praises of Bush. Sorry, but your messiah Bush left office, I'm glad there are term limits. The fact ANY president isn't held accountable for much of what they do is astounding. That goes for BOTH sides, but then I have a feeling you are one of the right that believes "Their" side is never wrong.

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I'm not a Bush supporter. Never was. Never will be. Besides, you should be praising Bush. His spending set the stage for Obama's. You only demonize him because he's become a convenient scapegoat to excuse Obama's corrupt and inefficient policies, his lying, his reckless spending, ect.

Notice how you didn't refute a word I said. You simply bleeted "Bush Bush Bush" like a sheep

Baaaahh

If Obama was caught eating dead babies and having sex with corpses, you'd blame it on Bush

TaraAnne said:

Well the last only Tea Party event I went to it was 90% social issues and about 10% fiscal policy. Honestly it was really hard to say what they stood for. They really had no direction. I have my popcorn and like you would love to see what the teabaggers stand for.

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It's not teabaggers, it's the Tea party, which stands for Taxed Enough Already, which is exactly what they stand for along with small limited government.

Rapunzel52 said:

It's not teabaggers, it's the Tea party, which stands for Taxed Enough Already, which is exactly what they stand for along with small limited government.

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You do realize taxes are lower than they ever have been ever. No it is the Teabaggers funny thing was that room was lilly white as well!

TaraAnne said:

You do realize taxes are lower than they ever have been ever. No it is the Teabaggers funny thing was that room was lilly white as well!

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Lie

World's Highest Corporate Tax Rate Hurts U.S. Economically - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)

United States-based companies and hardworking Americans face a steadily growing problem, one oddly self-imposed by Uncle Sam. Our current tax system puts businesses and workers at a competitive disadvantage in the global market and discourages companies from investing in operations here at home.

On Sunday, April 1, Japan lowered its corporate tax rate, leaving the United States with the highest effective rate among developed countries: 39.2 percent.

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If we raise taxes on the evil rich it will fund the Government for a week

We have a spending problem. More than 200B in unfunded liabilities and that mountain of debt grows by the day

Grant said:

There is some real doubt about that and much of it appears to be legitimate. Of course if you put party ahead of country then it is your best interests to ignore his past or shout down and ridicule those who do have concerns.

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No, there wasn't any doubt except of course by those that were too dumb to realize it. Obama provided proof of birth in the U.S. yet others chose to be ignorant of it because of party line. Of course to those of party line right it wasn't proven. Their asses got handed to them over it as well and proven they were of the same lines as those that thought 9/11 was due to Bush.

Grant said:

Wow!!You made my point for me in the very next paragraph! Don't you think it's in the country's best interest that a candidate is completely qualified to be President of the United States? Why object to questions being raised? The laddy does protest too much, me thinks!

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Nope, I didn't prove your point as Obama was qualified LEGALLY to be president of the U.S. Although I didn't think he should be president of the U.S. for a second term, and I even voted against him by voting Johnson, he is still QUALIFIED LEGALLY.

Grant said:

Muslims believe him to be a Muslim and, according to Islamic law, he is. Of course he was raised in a Marxist home, educated and sympathized with Marxism and many Marxists believe him to be a Marxist. But I suppose Barry Soetoro ain't sayin'.

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I was RAISED Roman Catholic, went to all the schools etc. I do not consider myself to be Roman Catholic. THAT is what is important. Being raised a religion or even recognized by a religion MEANS NOTHING if you do not follow the religion. Even someone lioke you should recognize that fact. It doesn't matter what OTHERS think about you only what YOU BELIEVE.

Grant said:

My feeling is that every candidates past should be an open book, not a sealed one. I don't understand why anyone would feel otherwise.

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So you believe Romney should have opened up ALL his tax returns do you? Funny how most conservatives believed (and including me) that Romney shouldn't have had to release ALL his tax returns. Why do you feel different about that?

Grant said:

That's called an ad hominem attack. Of course that doesn't bother me at all but it does waste time. If you disagree with anything said then you can raise the point and we can debate it. That's why we are here, isn't it? Don't we want to challenge each others ideas and opinions to test and validate our own?

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The point of the video was to somehow say that it is ok for division as long as the right is in agreement to it. Why do you feel it is ok for division if YOUR side says it is ok?

Grant said:

I am not a common man and never claimed to be. I'm a man you don't meet every day.

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You're right. The common person wouldn't believe the lies that are told to them. You are not the common man. I recognize that BOTH sides are at fault. You somehow think YOUR side is not at fault.

We have the biggest economy in the world other than China so yeah tax rates are going to be higher. However what you fail to show is that most large companies like GE and Exxon pay nothing in taxes. So your point is mute!

No we have a tax problem as well as a spending problem both problems Republicans started back in the early 80's. Obam plan cuts and raises more than Boneheads plan. I say let all the tax cuts expire. And then cut the military then we can start on the rest.



If we raise taxes on the evil rich it will fund the Government for a week

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Bronson said:

I'm not a Bush supporter. Never was. Never will be.

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Funny I haven't seen you say his presidency was a disaster like it was. Sounds like a Bush supporter to me. Care to prove me wrong and show me where you have faulted Bush in his disaster presidency?

Bronson said:

Besides, you should be praising Bush. His spending set the stage for Obama's. You only demonize him because he's become a convenient scapegoat to excuse Obama's corrupt and inefficient policies, his lying, his reckless spending, ect.

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As usual you continue your lies about me as I have in numerous threads (even replying to you) that I have criticized Obama. Which is the reason I didn't vote for Obama this last election. Let me guess though, you believed in the GOP lies and voted Romney.

Bronson said:

Notice how you didn't refute a word I said. You simply bleeted "Bush Bush Bush" like a sheep

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Nope I didn't refute what you said, because I said and I quote:

....I'm glad there are term limits. The fact ANY president isn't held accountable for much of what they do is astounding. That goes for BOTH sides....

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Bronson said:

Baaaahh

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Sorry, the only sheep here is you because you don't ever say anything against YOUR side. At least I have the guts to say BOTH sides (really all sides) have issues. YOU are the Sheep. BAAAAAAH

Bronson said:

If Obama was caught eating dead babies and having sex with corpses, you'd blame it on Bush

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Funny since I have criticized Obama and didn't even vote for him (Along with supporting Romney for not releasing his tax records as I don't think he should have) yet again in replying to YOUR own threads. So the only explanation for your quotes is you are ignorant and haven't read anything I have said or you are a liar. Take your pick.

TaraAnne said:

We have the biggest economy in the world other than China so yeah tax rates are going to be higher.

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There is absolutely no relation...

TaraAnne said:

However what you fail to show is that most large companies like GE and Exxon pay nothing in taxes. So your point is mute!

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Oil and gas companies are subsidized in order to keep our gas prices low... if they were taxed our gas prices would increase dramatically. It's really those companies fault cause they have almost complete command, but the subsidies are there for you mostly... I don't know the best way of being able to control them unless we literally force those companies to reduce their prices and sell to us against their will (which we pretty much already do to a lesser extent).

TaraAnne said:

No we have a tax problem as well as a spending problem both problems Republicans started back in the early 80's. Obam plan cuts and raises more than Boneheads plan. I say let all the tax cuts expire. And then cut the military then we can start on the rest.

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You have to factor in how taxes affect everyone, not just the rich. The rich usually have command of their own incomes and the company and if they aren't getting what they want they will cut jobs and resources in order to do what they want. The money out the their pockets also decreases there spending and investment money which also hurts the economy... so everyone loses in the long run. Our tax brackets need loopholes closed, but no increases.

It's the same if you would only increase taxes on the poor, it hurts everyone... that means they have less spending money for secondary goods and many rich people and jobs will be lost. Taxes are a necessary evil, but they are no way a method to solve a debt crisis, they hurt the economy to make it even more difficult... The only and best way is to live within your own means, and that is to cut spending.

celticwar17 said:

There is absolutely no relation... Oil and gas companies are subsidized in order to keep our gas prices low... if they were taxed our gas prices would increase dramatically. It's really those companies fault cause they have almost complete command, but the subsidies are there for you mostly... I don't know the best way of being able to control them unless we literally force those companies to reduce their prices and sell to us against their will (which we pretty much already do to a lesser extent).

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So you support the government subsidizing an industry, yet not another. Sounds like you support the government picking winners and losers which is not a libertarians position. NO company should be receiving government subsidies as the company should rise and fail on its own.

TheNextEra said:

So you support the government subsidizing an industry, yet not another. Sounds like you support the government picking winners and losers which is not a libertarians position. NO company should be receiving government subsidies as the company should rise and fail on its own.

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I don't know if I support it or not... I just know the consequences... It's difficult to apply a strict libertarian opinion on a government that in it's current form largely un-libertarian... and when you do, you need to consider the consequences and the reasons why it's their in the first place. If I were to take out the subsidies for this I would also need to do a lot of other changes as well right with it so the economy doesn't crash, like lift away restrictions on oil here at home.

It also gets much more complicated when were are talking about a world economy. I am libertarian, but I am U.S.A. biased... I always want the U.S. to prosper in foreign deals and since it is not a level playing field you have to do different things. When a libertarian economy faces something like China for example, it becomes unbalanced, because they exploit their workers and economy.

Now if everyone sang and rejoiced and everyone played by the same rules, then yea, but since it isn't I always look out for US interest over anything else in my consideration of my opinion.

celticwar17 said:

I don't know if I support it or not... I just know the consequences... It's difficult to apply a strict libertarian opinion on a government that in it's current form largely un-libertarian... and when you do, you need to consider the consequences and the reasons why it's their in the first place. If I were to take out the subsidies for this I would also need to do a lot of other changes as well right with it so the economy doesn't crash, like lift away restrictions on oil here at home.

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The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.

celticwar17 said:

It also gets much more complicated when were are talking about a world economy. I am libertarian, but I am U.S.A. biased... I always want the U.S. to prosper in foreign deals and since it is not a level playing field you have to do different things. When a libertarian economy faces something like China for example, it becomes unbalanced, because they exploit their workers and economy.

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Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.

celticwar17 said:

Now if everyone sang and rejoiced and everyone played by the same rules, then yea, but since it isn't I always look out for US interest over anything else in my consideration of my opinion.

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It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.

TheNextEra said:

The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.



Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.



It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.

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As a general rule, yes I agree with you... am more talking of ways you would actually go about it without causing an economy crash. Being libertarian also should mean being reasonable.

TheNextEra said:

The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.



Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.



It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.

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Do you think that immediately withdrawing government subsidies to the oil companies would drastically increase the price of gas? I think this would potentionally be the final straw that broke the camels back. If I am wrong about this, please prove it to me... then I would agree with you. The U.S. right now is almost forced to subsidize the oil companies right now, we are being blackmailed. If we do this without releasing restrictions on domestic oil, it could possibly end very badly.

Again, I would agree with you if I am wrong about this, but this is what I have come to believe.

TheNextEra said:

Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.

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And who are you to determine the libertarian view anyway, are you a representative of the Libertarian partly or philosophy? How libertarian philosophy applies to American politics is largely subjective.

celticwar17 said:

Do you think that immediately withdrawing government subsidies to the oil companies would drastically increase the price of gas? I think this would potentionally be the final straw that broke the camels back. If I am wrong about this, please prove it to me... then I would agree with you. The U.S. right now is almost forced to subsidize the oil companies right now, we are being blackmailed. If we do this without releasing restrictions on domestic oil, it could possibly end very badly.

Again, I would agree with you if I am wrong about this, but this is what I have come to believe.

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I think subsidies should stop ALONG with releasing restrictions on domestic oil. I do believe that would satisfy both of your claims. Tell me if I am wrong.