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Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

ksu_aviator said:
America is like an 80 year old barn. It is weathered and irreparable. Let Obama throw his gasoline and match into the mix so that we can get to the business of rebuilding what the baby boomers destroyed.
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Is the baby-boomer generation the latest target of right-wing hate? I thought they preferred to hate on the Millennials.
 
iguanaman said:
Not if you understand that the 2009 deficit is GW Bush's. He signed the budget for that year. The Right Wing Cato Institute says it best

Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty
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Bush did not sign the budget agreement for 2009. Obama signed it after Democrats added $400billion to it and had it on Obama's desk for signature and he signed it the day after inauguration. In addition to that he and the democrats designed the stimulus and then made all of these increases the baseline budget from which the next year was set. So...cutting after adding 1.2 trillion? Thats pretty easy. The real question is why we cant get back to even 2008 budget consideration after increasing spending to 25% of GDP from 20% of GDP in just 3 years?

Yours and Cato's essential defense is that Bush made all those increases, which is false. He made some (arguably $150billion to $300billion), but Obama doubled down on them. I reserve the right to disagree with both sets of increases. You disagree with neither set so your point is semantic and inconsequential. You are looking to validate your own opinion by appealing to authority when the author doesnt go into numbers enough to validate your position and he sure didnt say that Bush signed the 2009 budget, although he felt he was responsible for it. I agree, to a very limited extent.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Bush did not sign the budget agreement for 2009. Obama signed it after Democrats added $400billion to it and had it on Obama's desk for signature and he signed it the day after inauguration. In addition to that he and the democrats designed the stimulus and then made all of these increases the baseline budget from which the next year was set. So...cutting after adding 1.2 trillion? Thats pretty easy. The real question is why we cant get back to even 2008 budget consideration after increasing spending to 25% of GDP from 20% of GDP in just 3 years?

Yours and Cato's essential defense is that Bush made all those increases, which is false. He made some (arguably $150billion to $300billion), but Obama doubled down on them. I reserve the right to disagree with both sets of increases. You disagree with neither set so your point is semantic and inconsequential. You are looking to validate your own opinion by appealing to authority when the author doesnt go into numbers enough to validate your position and he sure didnt say that Bush signed the 2009 budget, although he felt he was responsible for it. I agree, to a very limited extent.
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If you read the piece you know that the fiscal year was 1/3 over when Obama took office, much of the money was already spent. Not to mention the Wars that were put on the budget for the 1st time. Obama has actually increased spending less than any modern President, admittedly starting at the high bar that Bush set but to say he doubled our deficit is just not true. You are fooling yourself about Bush's spending and revenue raiding. With Federal revenue that is at less than 15% of GDP, of course we have deficits.
 
iguanaman said:
If you read the piece you know that the fiscal year was 1/3 over when Obama took office, much of the money was already spent. Not to mention the Wars that were put on the budget for the 1st time. Obama has actually increased spending less than any modern President, admittedly starting at the high bar that Bush set but to say he doubled our deficit is just not true. You are fooling yourself about Bush's spending and revenue raiding. With Federal revenue that is at less than 15% of GDP, of course we have deficits.
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Bush inherited about $5.5 trillion in debt from Clinton. Obama inherited about $7.8 trillion from Bush and now it stands at over $16 trillion.

The United States lost its AAA credit rating during the Obama Administration and is expected to be lowered again.

History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Grant said:
Bush inherited about $5.5 trillion in debt from Clinton. Obama inherited about $7.8 trillion from Bush and now it stands at over $16 trillion.

The United States lost its AAA credit rating during the Obama Administration and is expected to be lowered again.

History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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That's not exactly true. Bush inherited 5.6, Obama inherited 10 trillion. Treasury Direct

So Bush doubled the debt. If we stay on course, Obama is set to to have more than doubled the debt he inherited. I agree this is not good. We can't be doubling the debt every eight years.
 
Nobody should care what Ann Coulter says.
 
iguanaman said:
If you read the piece you know that the fiscal year was 1/3 over when Obama took office, much of the money was already spent. Not to mention the Wars that were put on the budget for the 1st time. Obama has actually increased spending less than any modern President, admittedly starting at the high bar that Bush set but to say he doubled our deficit is just not true. You are fooling yourself about Bush's spending and revenue raiding. With Federal revenue that is at less than 15% of GDP, of course we have deficits.
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So much of the money was spent in 1/3 of the year? Sorry not buying. The budget Obama signed had increased spending of $400billion and dems did not forward it to Bush because they knew he wouldnt sign it. They sent it to Obama. Another $787Billion if you want to be very exact came from the stimulus. So 1.2 trilion of the added deficit was from Obama and the dem congress. They also made those increases baseline and have refused to pass a budget since instead opting for continuing resolutions rather than putting to law where money is to be spent.

You are rehashing old ground from the Marketwatch article that even WaPo couldnt get behind and declared it false. Making an appeal to authority again isnt worth anything if the authority is wrong and contradicted several times over by other sources....like who signed what and who passed what.
 
jamesrage said:
Coulter can be an idiot sometimes.People don't elect one party of the other because they want that party to betray their principals and give into the other side's demands. If they did then what would be the point in electing one party over the other. If I vote for a candidate because he is pro-life then I expect that candidate to oppose any pro-abortion spending. If I vote for a candidate is who adamantly opposed to illegal immigration then I expect him to vote against any amnesties/dream acts.If I vote for a politician because he is pro-2nd amendment then I expect him to oppose what anti-2nd amendment loons call common sense gun control.
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Coulter is actuaklly not an idiot in this case because she is the speaker for the white trash part of the party. And the white trash part of the party is not the rich part of it and she knows that. Rich republicans do not buy her books, the poor ones do. They better watch out because that is a rift between their goals and culter and the masses goals. I don't think the right is going to support going down for a few people's tax breaks.
 
clownboy said:
Never really cared what Coulter or Hannity or any of the talking heads had to say - I just don't tune them in. This is hilarious though, considering every liberal in this thread outs themselves as a FoxNews/Hannity/Coulter viewer. :mrgreen:
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Are you kidding, the comedy on their network is great. Do you mean that you bitch at the opposite side without actually watching it to know what they say? That is just stupid.
 
tererun said:
Coulter is actuaklly not an idiot in this case because she is the speaker for the white trash part of the party. And the white trash part of the party is not the rich part of it and she knows that. Rich republicans do not buy her books, the poor ones do. They better watch out because that is a rift between their goals and culter and the masses goals. I don't think the right is going to support going down for a few people's tax breaks.
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Good Lord....Stick to post this vile crap on boards honey, because face to face that kind of trash talk only escalates emotion, and it wouldn't be a prudent thing to do....

pfft....What a vile thing your postings can be.
 
j-mac said:
Good Lord....Stick to post this vile crap on boards honey, because face to face that kind of trash talk only escalates emotion, and it wouldn't be a prudent thing to do....

pfft....What a vile thing your postings can be.
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Oh come on, Culter does not offer up stock advice. She is not the intellectual argument maker. She is the trash talking racist shock jock of the station and her audience is the poor working class white people who feel the same way she does. She isn't sipping crystal with the rich elite, she is trash talking for the white trash christians who make up a good share of the party. You can piss and moan all you want about it, but that is the reality. The Mitt Romneys of the party are not inviting her to their clubs. They are not bringing her into old money. She knows who she is speaking for and they have no heart to fight a war for the rich's tax cuts. They may have tried to beat obama, but they are far separated from the GOP think tanks and rich elite. If you think you are going to march those guys into war for rich guy benefits you better think twice. They gave their effort, but their heart is really not in tax cuts for the rich. She knows that, and she knows that if you push them much harder they are going to jump ship to the tea party and then the rich GOP is screwed.
 
tererun said:
Oh come on, Culter does not offer up stock advice. She is not the intellectual argument maker. She is the trash talking racist shock jock of the station and her audience is the poor working class white people who feel the same way she does. She isn't sipping crystal with the rich elite, she is trash talking for the white trash christians who make up a good share of the party. You can piss and moan all you want about it, but that is the reality. The Mitt Romneys of the party are not inviting her to their clubs. They are not bringing her into old money. She knows who she is speaking for and they have no heart to fight a war for the rich's tax cuts. They may have tried to beat obama, but they are far separated from the GOP think tanks and rich elite. If you think you are going to march those guys into war for rich guy benefits you better think twice. They gave their effort, but their heart is really not in tax cuts for the rich. She knows that, and she knows that if you push them much harder they are going to jump ship to the tea party and then the rich GOP is screwed.
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Jesus, you are one angry person....Why the rage? Y'all won....You should be mellow....Real class act you are.
 
tererun said:
Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election' (VIDEO)

"OK fine, let's do that, but in the end, at some point, if the Bush tax cuts are repealed and everyone's taxes go up, I promise you Republicans will get blamed for it," she said. "It doesn't mean you cave on everything, but there are some things Republicans do that feed into what the media is telling America about Republicans."

Someone knocked Ann off the tracks! She rips hannity a new one on this. When Ann coulter says crazy is over you better damn well listen.
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Well, that completely misrepresents what Coulter said. She started out by saying that the next 4 years are going to be horrible economically because of Obama, and that there's nothing that the Republicans can do about it. That being the case she wants to make sure that Obama and the Democrats get the blame for the bad economy and that Republicans take the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016. She apparently thinks the way to do that is to make Obama own the economic problems, and one of the ways to do that is for them to give him the tax increases in the wealthy that he wants. She's afraid that if the Bush tax cuts expire the Republicans will get the blame for it.

Personally, I think that the Republicans will get a lot of bad press, but that their supporters will rally behind them if the hold their ground.
 
LowDown said:
Well, that completely misrepresents what Coulter said. She started out by saying that the next 4 years are going to be horrible economically because of Obama, and that there's nothing that the Republicans can do about it. That being the case she wants to make sure that Obama and the Democrats get the blame for the bad economy and that Republicans take the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016. She apparently thinks the way to do that is to make Obama own the economic problems, and one of the ways to do that is for them to give him the tax increases in the wealthy that he wants. She's afraid that if the Bush tax cuts expire the Republicans will get the blame for it.

Personally, I think that the Republicans will get a lot of bad press, but that their supporters will rally behind them if the hold their ground.
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You know Bob Woodward of all people said something interesting today on Meet the 'De'pressed...He was essentially correcting Lawrence O'donnell, (whom I thought was going to give his patented Bat **** crazy performance but didn't), he said that Repubs will probably get blamed no matter what direction they go, but ultimately the economy in a 2nd term is the Presidents alone, and that it wouldn't take long for people to start blaming him if his plan doesn't work, and in a hurry.
 
Rainman05 said:
Nobody should care what Ann Coulter says.
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Actually many people care what she says which is why she is a best selling author, a frequent guest on talk shows and the subject of a thread on these boards.
 
tererun said:
Oh come on, Culter does not offer up stock advice. She is not the intellectual argument maker. She is the trash talking racist shock jock of the station and her audience is the poor working class white people who feel the same way she does. She isn't sipping crystal with the rich elite, she is trash talking for the white trash christians who make up a good share of the party. You can piss and moan all you want about it, but that is the reality. The Mitt Romneys of the party are not inviting her to their clubs. They are not bringing her into old money. She knows who she is speaking for and they have no heart to fight a war for the rich's tax cuts. They may have tried to beat obama, but they are far separated from the GOP think tanks and rich elite. If you think you are going to march those guys into war for rich guy benefits you better think twice. They gave their effort, but their heart is really not in tax cuts for the rich. She knows that, and she knows that if you push them much harder they are going to jump ship to the tea party and then the rich GOP is screwed.
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Always the ad hom attacks from those who couldn't debate Coulter with the help of a hundred like-minded leftists.
 
LowDown said:
Well, that completely misrepresents what Coulter said. She started out by saying that the next 4 years are going to be horrible economically because of Obama, and that there's nothing that the Republicans can do about it. That being the case she wants to make sure that Obama and the Democrats get the blame for the bad economy and that Republicans take the Senate in 2014 and the Presidency in 2016. She apparently thinks the way to do that is to make Obama own the economic problems, and one of the ways to do that is for them to give him the tax increases in the wealthy that he wants. She's afraid that if the Bush tax cuts expire the Republicans will get the blame for it.

Personally, I think that the Republicans will get a lot of bad press, but that their supporters will rally behind them if the hold their ground.
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That, given Obama's dismal performance, is what should have happened during the past election but "Obamaphones" and the idea that Romney was a bully in high school carried the day.

The American left will not change, cannot change, until reality smacks them in the face. They're no different then the European left or, indeed, the left anywhere. They all tend to think government is the answer to the problems they face in life. They tend not to be adults.
 
Grant said:
The American left will not change, cannot change, until reality smacks them in the face. They're no different then the European left or, indeed, the left anywhere. They all tend to think government is the answer to the problems they face in life. They tend not to be adults.
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You know for all the talk the right did about Obama being a "divider", I see more and more of this type of comments from the right. Do you think comments like this from Romney after the election and the other right are meant to unite the country by insulting an ENTIRE demographic in the most stereotypical way? Grow up
 
TheNextEra said:
You know for all the talk the right did about Obama being a "divider", I see more and more of this type of comments from the right. Do you think comments like this from Romney after the election and the other right are meant to unite the country by insulting an ENTIRE demographic in the most stereotypical way? Grow up
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But it is clear Barrack Obama and his followers are dividers. Their attacks are ad hominem with the genuine issues seldom being discussed. We can see that repeatedly on this thread regarding Ann Coulter.

People are finally responding to the hatreds and ignorance of the Left, and that's all there is to it.
 
Grant said:
But it is clear Barrack Obama and his followers are dividers. Their attacks are ad hominem with the genuine issues seldom being discussed. We can see that repeatedly on this thread regarding Ann Coulter.

People are finally responding to the hatreds and ignorance of the Left, and that's all there is to it.
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/sarcasm on
Yeah the "adult" way to address the so called "hatred and ignorance" of the left is with hatred and ignorance from the right.
/sarcasm off

You're making my point about people from the right needing to grow up.
 
j-mac said:
yeah? so what's your problem then? Trouble playing well with others as a kid or what?
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I scare the hell out of adults. It is an interesting dichotemy of life. Unlike true monsters kids love me. Believe me, that can get to be extremely problematic with todays glomping anime fans. I think the problem you are having with me is I don't care about your opinion. It is great you have one and can spit it out, but I don't care if you like me. I have great friends. I was not auditioning for anymore. So if you don't like me that is cool. I don't give a damn. I am not what you would consider a brony, I am much much worse than all of that. bring out every good insult you have, and if you are creative with one i will give you some points. I will give you a little hint. in the end love me or hate me you listen to me. Go try to ignore me knowing my witty remarks are going unresponded to. Do me the favor of ignoring me and then somehow managed to see what I said so you could respond so concisely. I am a narcissist honey and I love my fans who send hate mail. Now bring your worst I have uses for you.

Oh, and before you bitch that I am really full of myself, you asked.

Oh, and do it in less than seven minutes. Just added that to see how long it took me to write that.
 
TheNextEra said:
/sarcasm on
Yeah the "adult" way to address the so called "hatred and ignorance" of the left is with hatred and ignorance from the right.
/sarcasm off

You're making my point about people from the right needing to grow up.
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The Left never lashed out against Dwight Eisenhower nor did the Right rile against JFK. While they may have been on opposite sides the discourse was far more civilized than it is today.

Oddly enough the Left really began their vitriolic campaigns against one of their own, LBJ, with "Hey,hey, LBJ.! How many kids did you kill today?" Then of course it continued with Nixon, Ford, less so with Carter, but then it went off the charts with Reagan. The Right, mainly through talk radio, the only avenue they really had, began being very critical of Clinton, though the political vitriol from the left, equaling Reagans, reached its peak with George Bush. The MSM, which had at one time smoothly disguised their favoritism, now came out in the open and were clear adversaries against the President.

We saw that in this past election where a good man was being accused of being successful, a bully, out of touch, lacking in patriotism, a racist, a misogynist, and so on. And of course the same is being done now against Obama.

But it was the Left who set the agenda and now the Right is responding. It seems to me that the war will only get worse.
 
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