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Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

Navy Pride said:
Unlike you I will accept the legal decision of the SCOTUS.........Morally I will never accept it though.
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Who says I don't accept them? Are you talking to someone other than me?

But iusse do come before the courts again and again. You know that, right?
 
Tigger said:
I don't debate. It's a waste of time and energy. My viewpoint isn't going to be changed and it's unlikely anyone else's will be either. I simply make my points and state my opinion. If you don't want to accept them, fine. Just don't expect me to give any credence to anything anyone else says either.
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Really Tigger?
Is just making your points and stating your opinions all your really do here?
It seems you also create posts and make comments to draw attention to yourself and to elicit emotional responses from others.
I wonder how many posters here think the same thing?
Sounds kind of narcissitic to me.
But hey,you have every right to post whatever you want here,for whatever reason you choose.
 
Navy Pride said:
This is good news.....Maybe we can finally get this issue settled.
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These laws/bans harm gays and are quickly becoming toxic for Republicans, so I agree that this issue should be settled ASAP. I would love a strong pair of decisions in favor of gay rights.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who says I don't accept them? Are you talking to someone other than me?

But iusse do come before the courts again and again. You know that, right?
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I can only go by Roe V Wade and that has not happened.
 
RepublicanMcDuc said:
These laws are harmful to gays and quickly becoming toxic for Republicans, so I agree that this issue should be settled ASAP. I would love a strong pair of decisions in favor of gay rights.
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You call yourself a Conservative but you don't have Conservative values....shame on you.
 
Navy Pride said:
I can only go by Roe V Wade and that has not happened.
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No one wants Roe V Wade changed. If republicans had wanted it challenged, it would have been overturned long ago. So, politically, no one REALLY opposes it.
 
RepublicanMcDuc said:
These laws/bans harm gays and are quickly becoming toxic for Republicans, so I agree that this issue should be settled ASAP. I would love a strong pair of decisions in favor of gay rights.
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It certainly would put the issue aside, but I do not expect broad sweeping "You go Girl!" rulings from the SCOTUS. I do not believe that it is toxic for the GOP except amongst those who wouldn't vote for the GOP to begin with.
 
It's a telling thing for the GOP to support SOME rights for SOME folks, but not for others.
 
Fisher said:
It certainly would put the issue aside, but I do not expect broad sweeping "You go Girl!" rulings from the SCOTUS. I do not believe that it is toxic for the GOP except amongst those who wouldn't vote for the GOP to begin with.
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I don't expect them to go that far in these cases either.

As for toxicity, I think being opposed to equal rights for gays is quickly becoming a complete political loser. It is trending like other civil rights issues and the GOP must evolve or suffer for it.
 
Fisher said:
Doesn't change my position as I was aware of their existence prior to making it. I have yet to see an election credited to having been won or lost by the LCR's. Provide me that data, and maybe I will reconsider.
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It's not about that, it's about the future generations of people the republican party needs in order to remain relevant.

Again, it's a telling thing, to just about anyone, when republicans supports rights for SOME, but not for all.
 
Navy Pride said:
I can only go by Roe V Wade and that has not happened.
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This isn't true NP. You only choose to consider Roe v Wade, because there are plenty of other examples that show that issues do come up again and again particularly when it is one side showing their right is being denied and another with nothing more than "well the majority wants it this way". Pace v AL -> Loving v VA, Plessy v Ferguson -> Brown v Board of Education, Bowers v Hardwick -> Lawrence v TX. All represent cases that overturned previous Court decisions.
 
KevinKohler said:
It's not about that, it's about the future generations of people the republican party needs in order to remain relevant.

Again, it's a telling thing, to just about anyone, when republicans supports rights for SOME, but not for all.
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I support the right of gays to have guns if that is what you are hinting around at. The GOP does not need gays in the future to be relevant--they need Hispanics or the rising sea levels to wipe out Miami, NYC, Philly, LA, and SF.
 
Fisher said:
I support the right of gays to have guns if that is what you are hinting around at. The GOP does not need gays in the future to be relevant--they need Hispanics or the rising sea levels to wipe out Miami, NYC, Philly, LA, and SF.
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You're still not getting it. It's not about gay folk, it's about the vast multitudes that SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS.

All they want is to have everything I have with my wife, granted us by the state, the day we signed our marriage license. It's NOT a religious institute, at the state level, it's a legally binding partnership that grants multiple tax and insurance benefits, as well as power of attourny, should it ever bee needed, amongst other things. All for the low low price of 50 bucks.
 
KevinKohler said:
You're still not getting it. It's not about gay folk, it's about the vast multitudes that SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS.

All they want is to have everything I have with my wife, granted us by the state, the day we signed our marriage license. It's NOT a religious institute, at the state level, it's a legally binding partnership that grants multiple tax and insurance benefits, as well as power of attourny, should it ever bee needed, amongst other things. All for the low low price of 50 bucks.
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What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
 
Fisher said:
What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
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If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party.
 
KevinKohler said:
If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party.
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I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.
 
Fisher said:
I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.
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It's not about winning over the gays.
 
Fisher said:
What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
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Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.
 
KevinKohler said:
It's not about winning over the gays.
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Then what did you mean by "If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party". If it is not about winning votes, there is no other relevance in politics. Cold hard truth.
 
Fisher said:
Then what did you mean by "If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party". If it is not about winning votes, there is no other relevance in politics. Cold hard truth.
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And what young people are going to vote for a bunch of stogy old white guys? Because that's the current perception. And it's bleeding the party. Not saying that supporting equal rights for same sex marriage is a magic bullet...it DOES go a long way from separating them from you're grandma's republican party, so to speak. If you can't support equal rights, what thinking person is going to vote for you, period? And our younger politically minded folks? They are THINKING people. Cold hard truth. Why do you think so many of them join the libertarian party?
 
RepublicanMcDuc said:
Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.
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Perhaps. I am not a republican but from my perspective, it is an issue of money. Businesses do not want to be subject to another discrimination cause of action against them and nobody seems to have a clue what same-sex marriage costs will be to the public, let alone private enterprise, when all those benefits are layered on.
 
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