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U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

Helix said:
"you guys?"

I'm an American, and I'm just glad that the report wasn't worse. I'm also concerned that hyperpartisans on both sides are going to really mess things up with their game of chicken. save your venom for the hacks; I'm not interested.[/I
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I beg to differ. You posted that knowing ( I hope ) that it wasn't adjusted and didn't factor in labor rates.

I tell you a secret. Its NOT going to get better, its going to get far worse because Obama's incompetence is brewing a perfect storm.

Did you vote for him ?
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Dickieboy said:
Er..uh, yeah, but didn't 'affect the unemployment rate' as you originally asserted...HELLO...:doh
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I never mentioned the unemployment rate. I mentioned the number of jobs created. Sandy destroyed a great number of businesses, which means job loses.
 
Government has to fund it's expanding labor force

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/7/government-borrows-46-cents-every-dollar-it-spends/

The federal government borrowed 46 cents of every dollar it has spent so far in fiscal year 2013, which began Oct. 1, according to the latest data the Congressional Budget Office released Friday.

The government notched a $172 billion deficit in November, and is already nearly $300 billion in the hole through the first two months of fiscal year 2013, underscoring just how deep the government’s budget problems are as lawmakers try to negotiate a year-end deal to avoid a budgetary “fiscal cliff.”
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Fenton said:
I beg to differ. You posted that knowing ( I hope ) that it wasn't adjusted and didn't factor in labor rates.
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and yet, if it had been really bad news, my guess is that it would have been touted as gospel by the same posters who are raging against it now.

it could have been worse. i posted it to remind people how delicate our recovery is right now, and to illustrate why we don't want to go over the cliff.

Fenton said:
I tell you a secret. Its NOT going to get better, its going to get far worse because Obama's incompetence is brewing a perfect storm.
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hyperpartisan hyperbole.

Fenton said:
Did you vote for him ?
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i did. is this the part where my independent credentials come into question? i can provide a detailed presidential voting record dating back to 1992 if needed.
 
Hairytic said:
Welare isn't a comfortable way of life. It's a hard struggle and most of the people unemployed would rather be working and improving their lives.
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The numbers state otherwise. I agree that it shouldnt be a comfortabel way of life. It should provide enough to keep one from starving to death, but no more. It should pay for cigarettes or lottery tickets, or big screen tv's, yet it does.
 
Taylor said:
And far worse than the 1,114,000 jobs created in a single month just following a recession 29 years ago.
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29 years ago the US. manufactured most of the world's finished goods which is no longer the case. Also, automation hass taken over jobs that employed workers.
 
Dpetty said:
Why would they look for work when they can live so comfortably on welfare? They dont even have to pretend to be looking for a job anymore!
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That's a stupid idea. Shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality of the human condition.
 
MMC said:
Was this by state.....as Chicagoland Seasonal Workers didn't hire as many as they did from last year. Even Sears kept more of their Regular Full Time Employees round longer. Especially Since they have been hiring people in with 28-32 hrs.

The reason I know this is my son Got a job there and got in Right before they brought the seasonal Workers in. See how that works hired in at full time with 32hrs and can be brought in to work over and still not go over 40hrs.
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Is there something new here?
 
Boo Radley said:
Just curious. Who do you blame?
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Politicians, the Fed, and an education system that does little to prepare people for making responsible decisions with their money.

Even so-called "small government" Republicans are scared to talk about making necessary budget cuts these days for fear that the uneducated masses will vote their power away. We're currently arguing over "cuts" that amount to whether or not to reduce the rate at which spending is slated to increase.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's a stupid idea. Shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality of the human condition.
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'Welfare Spending Equates to $168 Per Day for Every Household in Poverty' | The Weekly Standard

The amount of money spent on welfare programs equals, when converted to cash payments, about "$168 per day for every household in poverty," the minority side of the Senate Budget Committee finds. Here's a chart detailing the committee's findings
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Taylor said:
Politicians, the Fed, and an education system that does little to prepare people for making responsible decisions with their money.

Even so-called "small government" Republicans are scared to talk about making necessary budget cuts these days for fear that the uneducated masses will vote their power away. We're currently arguing over "cuts" that amount to whether or not to reduce the rate at which spending is slated to increase.
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Well, a bit more inclusive than most. I don't quite agree with all you say, but that you have a comprehensive view is certainly more grounded in reality.
 
I tend to agree with Old Ben on the idea of "less is more"

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Ben Franklin
 
Bronson said:
'Welfare Spending Equates to $168 Per Day for Every Household in Poverty' | The Weekly Standard
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Here is the problem I have with what you posted..... Your source, and let me explain why. Your source, Daniel Halper of the Weekly Standard, is lying through his teeth. let me explain further. Halper pulls the number $168 out of his ass and expects us to believe it. OK, so the number being presented for one day seems reasonable, and high enough to piss off people who don't think independently. However, lets use the same number, represented in a different way. There are 365 days in a year, so multiply that 168 bucks per day by the number of days in the year, and you get something that is not to be believed. The amount?

$61,320.00

So Daniel Halper of the Weekly Standard expects everybody to believe that welfare recipients receive $61,320.00 in money, subsidies, and benefits? This makes Halper's article laughable on it's face, which is one reason that the Weekly Standard is not a good source at all. It is biased as hell.

Let me ask you another question. If, say, the Daily Kos came out with their own article which says that welfare recipients make only pennies a day, and need more government money, would you believe that? Of course you wouldn't. Nobody with an education above the sixth grade would believe it. But you are attempting to use an article that is just as biased, only hard right instead of hard left, to make your point. And in that, you have failed to make your point, at least, not to those of us who can see through the BS that is in the article, and the author's fabrication of what he has the unmitigated gall to call facts.

Let me put this another, much shorter, way............. $61,320.00 a year, my ass!!
 
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To fool with the OP
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it's slowly crawling back
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.... jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...

let's hope that the both sides don't screw it up by letting us go over the cliff
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....jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...

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or by enacting the changes too quickly
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.... ROTFLOL...

There is no recovery.
Figment of imagination.
Like a pubescent's wet dream.

But hey... jerk away... if it makes you feel good.
 
zimmer said:
To fool with the OP .... jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...

....jerk, jerk, jerk, jerk... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...

... .... ROTFLOL...

There is no recovery.
Figment of imagination.
Like a pubescent's wet dream.

But hey... jerk away... if it makes you feel good.
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I wonder how they make beef jerky........ Wait, I don't want to know.
 
Dpetty said:
The numbers state otherwise. I agree that it shouldnt be a comfortabel way of life. It should provide enough to keep one from starving to death, but no more. It should pay for cigarettes or lottery tickets, or big screen tv's, yet it does.
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Welfare doesn't pay for luxuries. People who play the system work side jobs they don't report to buy those things. You can't judge everyone based on what a few do. There are a lot of people who need the social programs as a hand up, and they have no intention of staying on welfare. The majority of people getting public assistance would rather work and provide a better life for themselves and their families. There are also many cases where people can't rise above poverty because they have health problems that could be corrected with basic medical care. However, Most adults can't get Medicaid or cheap medical care. My daughter was working hard to provide for her and her children, until she fell ill When the medical bills pilled up and when she couldn't get medical care she ended up losing her job and the debt from medical bills caused her to have to move in with me and my husband. She is better now, but the point is there are many hard working people who try to take responsibility for themselves but face set backs which are not of their own making. Frankly I cam getting tired of the GOP claiming my daughter is a parasite on society when the real parasites are making millions in bonuses and having the government bail them out because they manage banks or big business.
 
danarhea said:
I wonder how they make beef jerky........ Wait, I don't want to know.
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ROTFLOL... and you surely don't want to know any details about pulled pork.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL... and you surely don't want to know any details about pulled pork.
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A lot of folks in Memphis argue that pulled pork is best when you start with a dry rub.
 
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