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'Everyone in US under virtual surveillance' - NSA whistleblower

Ain't that just spiffy? Stalin would be so proud.

And Obama wants to take away our rights to bear arms. Nice combination. Big Brother and his Happy & Merry Police State.

Not surprised. Of course there will be people defending this as well. The 4th amendment is pretty well dead; government assumes proper authority over new tech even though it's never granted the power. Thanks Republocrats, I sure did want to live in a fascist nation rather than a free Republic.
 
I wonder if anyone would stoop to sending mass spam mails from "terrorst groups" to people they want to specifically target. So when they show the judge "special" evidence that cant be presented in court they just point to some random mass email as proof of association.

Its not like the news wordsmiths stories or leaves out key tidbits and slants it.
 
Boys and Girls... Know thy Parasite Nation Leader.
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Obama's stance on the 2nd Amendment is well known from as far back as his days as a guest lecturer at Harvard.
Fast & Furious was part of that scheme.

Fast & Furious was just a segment in a series of sting operations by the ATF. You can't place all the blame on Obama, it started under the Bush administration.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner
ATF Gunwalking Scandal.
 
Ain't that just spiffy? Stalin would be so proud.

And Obama wants to take away our rights to bear arms. Nice combination. Big Brother and his Happy & Merry Police State.

Well, ignoring the silly "Obama wants to take your guns away" comment, stories like this have me wondering how much things like isp proxies really work. I looked into them and thought to myself, "Man there must be a thousand ways around this thing."
 
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Ain't that just spiffy? Stalin would be so proud.

And Obama wants to take away our rights to bear arms. Nice combination. Big Brother and his Happy & Merry Police State.

**** like this makes a good case for defense spending or what ever this falls under. Because if they have enough money to spy on Americans then they have too much money.
 
I remember. That was when you were using that as an argument against those of us here who complained about how bad Bush was in implementing the Patriot Act. And you are right. You didn't have much to say about the Patriot Act then. But you are jumping all over Obama for his unconstitutional abuse of power. Looks like the D after Obama's name is what made it such an important issue for you this time.

Nice try though. :mrgreen:
I doubt you remember because it's not something I eagerly posted about... but... seeing as Obama is such a person of the Parasites... I mean people... he's had four years and had control of both houses to act on this.

Why hasn't... didn't he do anything?

I jumped on Obama for his idiotic class warfare/Parasite Nation view of the world, his naive world view, and in the OP for his Fast & Furious stance on the 2nd Amendment.

I don't mind surveillance... of terroristas... The Patriot Act wasn't designed to harvest all our correspondence. But... government being government... it's abused its power. This is why government should be limited... but what it is is omni-present and omni-potent... and Obama wants to make it more so... with roids.
 
Well, ignoring the silly "Obama wants to take your guns away" comment, stories like this have me wondering how much things like isp proxies really work. I looked into them and thought to myself, "Man there must be a thousand ways around this thing."

Go back and read Obama's history on gun control... and what was the government's gun running in Fast & Furious designed to do?

Silly... is being a Kool-Aider.
 
Go back and read Obama's history on gun control... and what was the government's gun running in Fast & Furious designed to do?

Silly... is being a Kool-Aider.

Yes, okay. Obama has really made gun confiscation a central point of his presidency. Oh, sorry, autocorrect fail. I meant to say "Obama is utterly bored by the gun debate, doesn't partake in it, and has no intention of having anything to do with guns whatsoever."
 
Yes, okay. Obama has really made gun confiscation a central point of his presidency. Oh, sorry, autocorrect fail. I meant to say "Obama is utterly bored by the gun debate, doesn't partake in it, and has no intention of having anything to do with guns whatsoever."

He doesn't have to make it central... in fact... stealth is the best way. Go back and read his history on the 2nd Amendment.
J'us deux ette.

Tell me... what was the purpose of Fast & Furious and why did Holder lie?
 
I doubt you remember because it's not something I eagerly posted about... but... seeing as Obama is such a person of the Parasites... I mean people... he's had four years and had control of both houses to act on this.

Why hasn't... didn't he do anything?

I jumped on Obama for his idiotic class warfare/Parasite Nation view of the world, his naive world view, and in the OP for his Fast & Furious stance on the 2nd Amendment.

I don't mind surveillance... of terroristas... The Patriot Act wasn't designed to harvest all our correspondence. But... government being government... it's abused its power. This is why government should be limited... but what it is is omni-present and omni-potent... and Obama wants to make it more so... with roids.

Actually, what Obama is doing is an extension of THIS ACT, signed by Bush. Yes, Democrats were complicit too, and I loathe them as well, but once again, I didn't hear a peep from you when Bush passed this law. You were too busy making it your mission to bash Democrats only, while praising Republicans.
 
Actually, what Obama is doing is an extension of THIS ACT, signed by Bush. Yes, Democrats were complicit too, and I loathe them as well, but once again, I didn't hear a peep from you when Bush passed this law. You were too busy making it your mission to bash Democrats only, while praising Republicans.

Hey... I was supportive of surveillance of terrorists, and believed to do that to a US citizen required a court order; it was easier to get due to lower courts being able to issue it... which was OK by me.

Where is the press? And where are the rent-a-mobs?
 
Actually, what Obama is doing is an extension of THIS ACT, signed by Bush. Yes, Democrats were complicit too, and I loathe them as well, but once again, I didn't hear a peep from you when Bush passed this law. You were too busy making it your mission to bash Democrats only, while praising Republicans.


Wait....you want us to work for a better America and pass up the chance to bash politicians on the opposite side of the fence at every opportunity?
 
Is it just me or is this something that we all knew anyway? We do a better job monitoring US citizens than we do monitoring foreign terrorists.
 
Is it just me or is this something that we all knew anyway? We do a better job monitoring US citizens than we do monitoring foreign terrorists.

It should be the other way around. Time to vote in new government. 1/3rd populace vote vs 1/3rd "court stuff" votes vs 1/3rd "current establishment defenders"

To work for the government/as a representative you'd have to agree to be spied on by the people 100%. No secret deals. No special lobbies. President and all that jazz can be under current establishment defenders. All 3 have to be in agreement. Eventually problems get solved?
 
Hey... I was supportive of surveillance of terrorists, and believed to do that to a US citizen required a court order; it was easier to get due to lower courts being able to issue it... which was OK by me.

Where is the press? And where are the rent-a-mobs?

No, read the link. It was warrantless.
 
He doesn't have to make it central... in fact... stealth is the best way. Go back and read his history on the 2nd Amendment.
J'us deux ette.

Obama said:
“I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe”
Obama on Gun Control

Not exactly what I'd call radical. Plus, he hasn't actually done anything to take people's guns away. Frankly, I'm not so sure he even cares one way or the other.

Tell me... what was the purpose of Fast & Furious and why did Holder lie?

What the bejeezus does that have to do with anything?
 
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