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No Fiscal Deal Without Higher Tax Rates On Rich, Obama Says

only the rich have the money to pay the debt.

So any other deal only results in forever debt slavery
 
Lots of reading here. However none of it on topic. The debate we were having was this:

Of the people who receive welfare benefits, how many of them work? You stated that the majority of them work. I showed a graph from a liberal organization which was done based on 2002 numbers.

Though I could not find a more up to date chart, this fact remains: The welfare population DOES NOT fare better in the employment numbers than the overall population of the country. I would be willing to make this "guess":

Less welfare people work now then they did in 2002.

Your claim that the majority of welfare recipients work is invalid and false.


I was thinking of welfare as all government assistance.
 
only the rich have the money to pay the debt.

So any other deal only results in forever debt slavery

Again. How much do you think will be generated by obama's tax increase on 'the rich'?
 
The unlimited debt ceiling should never be on the table. Who would think that is ok? I would be ok to them tying it to a percentage of the GDP, but not a unlimited ceiling.

You do understand the debt ceiling is used to pay for the bills we already have like the 12 trillion Republicans have racked up over they years. The whole mess is nothing more than a joke! SS has not add any debt to the deficit. So that is off the table! I am a firm believer that rates should go up for everyone. Then no pay or benefits for congress or the president. Now that is mostly symbolic but let get real if you want to get spending under control lets get with it.
 
Again. How much do you think will be generated by obama's tax increase on 'the rich'?

With Obamas figures, a small amount to help nearly balance the budget. And still they refuse to pay this
TINY amount.

They need to be taxed 80% untill debt is $2B.
 
With Obamas figures, a small amount to help nearly balance the budget. And still they refuse to pay this
TINY amount.

They need to be taxed 80% untill debt is $2B.

And when they send their money overseas to avoid that wholly unfair tax, what do your do?
 
Here you go:

Tax Cuts For Wealthy Americans Cost Treasury $11.6 Million Every Hour

One whole hell of a lot more than getting rid of big bird!

Tax cuts cost nothing. We didn't get into debt by not taxing enough. We got here by spending too much.

From your link:
If the U.S. reverted to Clinton-era marginal tax rates, the U.S. Treasury would net an additional $72 billion annually,

With deficits in excess of $1 TRILLION annually, $72 billion wouldn't make a dent.
 
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That is such an idiotic notion, its no wonder the conservatives lost the election!

Massive voter fraud and taxpayer funded handouts had much more to do wit that.
But, that's a topic for another thread.

Feel free to explain how not taxing enough got us into debt without mentioning spending.
 
Code: Obama needs tax hikes on the wealthy because he has been engaging class warfare for four years. If he doesn't get specifically tax rate increases, then his own base like haymarket here will lambaste him....

Fundamentally, there is absolutely NO difference from $400 Billion coming into the government through deduction removal, or tax increase. They both raise the effective rate a person pays, so this is purely political BS.

Yeah there is. Removing the home deductions and other such things on working class people so you don't have to raise rates on the privileged rich is a big difference.

The pure political BS is found in not admitting that reality.
 
Massive voter fraud and taxpayer funded handouts had much more to do wit that.
But, that's a topic for another thread.

Feel free to explain how not taxing enough got us into debt without mentioning spending.

Please cite voter fraud. Bettter yet please show us the person that was hit by a bolt of lightining and bit by a shark all in the same day! You could probably prove that before voter fruad! Lol
 
That is such an idiotic notion, its no wonder the conservatives lost the election!

It only costs something if you think money belongs to the govt.
 
I hope he stays firm on this. The wealthy can and should pay more!

so the dems will spend more on YOU. or will it make you feel better about not being as successful as the wealthy

or do you really believe the government needs more money but not enough that you should pay more

there is no honest reason for you dems to want only the wealthy to pay more and not everyone else
 
You can afford it. Shut up and pay!

so can you-and I am not the one demanding more government-you are so it is you who should shut up and pay

I am tired of carrying the load for a bunch of left wing slackers
 
The only purpose for raising tax rates is to damage the Republican Party. There IS no other reason. The last thing on Obama's mind is balancing a budget or paying down the debt.
 
I thought we elected Presidents here in America...I wasn't aware we now vote for Kings.

or affirmative action tantrum throwing despots
 
Hardly. One has to examine just who this new revenue will stem from and the immediate effect it will have on said individual's financial standing. An effective tax hike on an individual making $35,000 will have a much greater impact than that same hike on someone earning tenfold that amount. As will lets say, closing the Mortgage Interest Deduction versus Charitable deductions. Not all taxes and deductions are created equal, nor are consumers and their respective psyches.


yeah it might make that guy stop voting for big spending politicians

its the middle and lower classes who vote in big spenders. its time the sucklers of the public tits start realizing they have to pay for the milk
 
Since 60% of Americans say let the tax cuts expire for the rich, I trust they will make the right decision, or, rightfully face the consequences in 2014. :cool:

more appeals to the mediocrity

that is what is killing this country

children are in control
 
The only purpose for raising tax rates is to damage the Republican Party. There IS no other reason. The last thing on Obama's mind is balancing a budget or paying down the debt.


that is beyond dispute-given that Obunny rejects any plan that actually raises revenue but doesn't raise rates on the two percent
 
I don't really thing the left leaning media has that much of an edge anymore. Given the internet, right-wing talk radio, and cable television news like Fox Commentary and shows like "The Blaze", there is plenty of media for anyone's interest and it's the fault of the person for not seeking out different points of views.

For you and I, that actually look into "alternative" news/views, that makes a difference. For far too many that is not even considered. Many think that what ever the late night comedy entertainers offers is "news". If you ever catch a peek at "Waters world" (on Fox newws), or other "man on the street" interviews, it is truely scary what people "know" about the current events, much less history.
 
that is beyond dispute-given that Obunny rejects any plan that actually raises revenue but doesn't raise rates on the two percent


He and his gang of progressive bullies are rubbing conservative noses in it. Or at least so he thinks. If repubs played this correctly, Obama, and progressives will be responsible for relegating them back under that rock from which they crawled for another 100 years.
 
more appeals to the mediocrity

that is what is killing this country

children are in control



Evidently, you can't continue to **** the working class without them noticing, who woulda thunk it................. :cool:
 
I'm happy Obama is finally shows he has the guts to take on the Republicans.
 
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