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Aclu sues over policy barring women from combat

Obviously women are not as big or strong or fast as men on average. You guys aren't providing any profound input when you tell us that. But when you put these qualities on a graph, it's a bell curve for men and women that overlap. That means there are some women who are stronger and faster than the average man. And some men who are weaker than the average woman. So what we need to do is set minimum requirements that EVERYONE needs to pass. A lot of men won't meet the standards, and fewer women will. But for anyone who can prove they are physically capable of performing the job, there is absolutely no reason to exclude them. Every other reason I've seen men post on here to exclude women are due to weaknesses of men. You think women will be raped? Guess what, that means we have a problem with the MEN in these units. You think men's morale will break when he sees a woman injured? Again, an issue the men will have to get over. Really guys, if you wanted to join a group and fight for your country and it was something you were capable of doing, would you really accept that you weren't being let in because the existing members would be uncomfortable with it?

The curve is extremely small - not to mention those men too physically weak will fail boot camp anyways or will fail the physical...

I suppose my point is that physically fit men will always be stronger and faster than physically fit woman.

The truth is that woman are just not physiologically built to do difficult physical tasks that are routine for men. This is why woman cant compete with men in sports at the professional level (or generally most levels).

IMO, putting a woman in a combat zone as an infantry specialist would be about as smart as allowing a woman to play in the NFL or NHL... They wouldn't be able to keep up...
 
The curve is extremely small - not to mention those men too physically weak will fail boot camp anyways or will fail the physical...

I suppose my point is that physically fit men will always be stronger and faster than physically fit woman.

The truth is that woman are just not physiologically built to do difficult physical tasks that are routine for men. This is why woman cant compete with men in sports at the professional level (or generally most levels).

IMO, putting a woman in a combat zone as an infantry specialist would be about as smart as allowing a woman to play in the NFL or NHL... They wouldn't be able to keep up...

If you read my post I said only women able to meet the same requirements as men should be allowed to join. I don't really see your point.
 
If you read my post I said only women able to meet the same requirements as men should be allowed to join. I don't really see your point.

My point is that any woman who can potentially meet the physical standards that are required of men for infantry should be in the Olympics not the armed services.

My point is that the "curve" you talk about is extremely small. A physically fit male will always be stronger than their female peers.

I agree with you tho - if they can somehow manage to physically keep up with the men, I wouldn't have a problem if they wanted to fight... I'm just saying the likelyhood of a female meeting the required criteria to fight with men is extremely low.
 
Has anyone brought up the mental stress of women in combat? The only reason I ask is when I was in the Army, I always heard about the Army doing tests to see what integrating women into front line units would do to the men of that unit if she was wounded or captured. I have not seen the reports myself, so this is hear say.

Is our society to chivalrous that our soldiers would make bad decisions in a combat situation that would lead to more deaths? For instance, a ambush happens and a woman gets hit. As the soldiers reach cover, the woman is not brought to safety as well. She can't move herself due to the injury, and going to retrieve her would result in another KIA/WIA. Typically, soldiers would realize this and not make the rescue until the situation was safer. But for a wounded woman on the battlefield...would that override their better judgment and result in more KIA/WIA?
 
ACLU sues over policy barring women from combat - chicagotribune.com


The American Civil Liberties Union and four servicewomen sued the U.S. Defense Department on Tuesday to end a ban on women in combat, calling the military the last bastion of discrimination by the federal government and saying modern warfare has already put women in the line of fire.

modern warfare doesn't have the clear boundaries that may have once existed. It will be interesting to see how this plays out

That's all we need is to fear for women in battle and the results of what would happen when they're "taken" by the enemy. And the sexual repercussions of having a babe in the battalion.

Most battles today are waged against 7th century troglodytes. Like they care about the Geneva Conventions. They've got their own Allah Conventions.

If we ever have to re-institute a draft, does that mean women will be called up to serve too? If they want these babes on the front line and it's discriminatory not to have them there, then a draft that doesn't include women is also discriminatory.
 
My point is that any woman who can potentially meet the physical standards that are required of men for infantry should be in the Olympics not the armed services.

My point is that the "curve" you talk about is extremely small. A physically fit male will always be stronger than their female peers.

I agree with you tho - if they can somehow manage to physically keep up with the men, I wouldn't have a problem if they wanted to fight... I'm just saying the likelyhood of a female meeting the required criteria to fight with men is extremely low.

And my answer to all this is....(yet again) I know it's going to be a small number of women who can meet the requirements. But you make it sound like it's a minutely small, statistically impossible event. Do you know what the requirements are? What exactly is it you think no woman can do?
 
And my answer to all this is....(yet again) I know it's going to be a small number of women who can meet the requirements. But you make it sound like it's a minutely small, statistically impossible event. Do you know what the requirements are? What exactly is it you think no woman can do?

It is minutely small - that is my point. Not to mention any woman who do have the physical ability as a man, is probably an athlete which has no desire to serve in the armed services...
 
And my answer to all this is....(yet again) I know it's going to be a small number of women who can meet the requirements. But you make it sound like it's a minutely small, statistically impossible event. Do you know what the requirements are? What exactly is it you think no woman can do?

What are we going to start doing? Designating his and her's bushes to crap in, while in the field?

In your opinion, what should happen when a woman get's a yeast infection, because she hasn't been able to clean her ***** for a few weeks? Immediately dust her off, or tell her to deal with it and do her job, because she's the one that really wanted to be a grunt?
 
What are we going to start doing? Designating his and her's bushes to crap in, while in the field?

In your opinion, what should happen when a woman get's a yeast infection, because she hasn't been able to clean her ***** for a few weeks? Immediately dust her off, or tell her to deal with it and do her job, because she's the one that really wanted to be a grunt?

Oh good, the enlightened "women can't fight because they get infections" argument. Believe me, a woman who has passed training and fought to be there is not going to bitch about a yeast infection.
 
It is minutely small - that is my point. Not to mention any woman who do have the physical ability as a man, is probably an athlete which has no desire to serve in the armed services...

Once again, what are the exact requirements you think only a minutely small proportion of women would meet? Your assumption that a woman who would meet the requirements wouldn't want to join are baseless.
 
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