Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime

Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime | wcsh6.com

In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?

tererun said:

Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime | wcsh6.com

In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?

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It's Thanksgiving and everyone hopes people will change. I think it's faith.

How do we know this is a hate crime? All we appear to have is her word for it and to be frank that isn't all that valuable to if it was or if was not a hate crime.

Holy ****ing ****. That's disturbing, what he actually did to her. Unbelievable.

It happened during thanksgiving dinner - how in the **** did an entire family not manage to get his psycho ass off of her?

I don't see why his punishment should be more severe - being a ****ed up freak is being a ****ed up freak no matter what the reason for it.

This must be one of those families joko104 blamed Obama for destroying.

He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them. :roll:


I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

Goshin said:

He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them. :roll:


I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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First a disclaimer: I do not have a strong opinion about hate crimes one way or another, but I do think that if they're going to be debated, it'd be a good idea for people to understand what they actually are and why they exists. Several things:

1) The severity of one's criminal punishment can vary greatly depending on the thought (i.e. intent) behind the crime. This is one of the reasons that things like the heat of passion defense exist in murder cases.

2) The idea behind punishing a hate crime more severely than a similar crime absent some racial/gender/orientation based hatred is that certain crimes are thought to have a negative and lasting impact not just on the actual victim, but on the class of people to which he belongs. From that perspective thje punishment is more severe because the impact is more severe, not, strictly speaking, because of the defendant's thoughts.

3) Hate crime laws absolutely do not provide extra protections for certain classes of people. It is fully possible for, say, a black guy to get punished under hate crimes legislation for beating the **** out of a white guy for being white; or to punish some kind of roving band of militant lesbian feminists for kicking the crap out of every straight male they see (hypothetically speaking). As a practical matter, these laws will obviously be applied more often to minority groups, but it's innacurate to suggest that they (the minority groups) are getting extra legal protections. That is no more true than the notion that the 14th amendment's equal protection clause provides extra protections for minorities.

Aderleth said:

3) Hate crime laws absolutely do not provide extra protections for certain classes of people. It is fully possible for, say, a black guy to get punished under hate crimes legislation for beating the **** out of a white guy for being white; or to punish some kind of roving band of militant lesbian feminists for kicking the crap out of every straight male they see (hypothetically speaking). As a practical matter, these laws will obviously be applied more often to minority groups, but it's innacurate to suggest that they (the minority groups) are getting extra legal protections. That is no more true than the notion that the 14th amendment's equal protection clause provides extra protections for minorities.

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Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.

Goshin said:

He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them. :roll:


I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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Have to disagree with you on this. Ever since the radical religious right wingers starting murdering abortion doctors, I have felt that the crimes need to be classified so the punishment is greater. When you target groups of people who are being attacked for their beliefs, skin, religion, ethnicity, etc., then you should serve a longer sentence than someone involved in a passion situation that results in murder.

Goshin said:

Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.

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That might be true at the moment, but that's why I brought up the Equal Protection Clause; because I'll bet you anything the same thing was true for EP for quite a long time. 50 years from now, when whites are no longer a majority in the US, I imagine you'll see a different trend.

Henrin said:

How do we know this is a hate crime? All we appear to have is her word for it and to be frank that isn't all that valuable to if it was or if was not a hate crime.

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I'd like to introduce you to a concept known as a trial by jury, where evidence would be presented and weighed and a jury might come to a conclusion. This is what people are talking about. None of us are suggesting that this news article is comprehensive proof of anything.

Deuce said:

I'd like to introduce you to a concept known as a trial by jury, where evidence would be presented and weighed and a jury might come to a conclusion. This is what people are talking about. None of us are suggesting that this news article is comprehensive proof of anything.

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I always find it to be a shear delight watching people prove hate crimes. Fact of the matter is there is no reason to worry if it was or if wasn't. Just handle the harms in front of you and be done with it.

Isn't the "thought" a critical aspect of law? Isn't that why we have 3 degrees of murder? Isn't that why the cops must prove you KNEW that what you had was a drug and not catnip?

Goshin said:

He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them. :roll:


I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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tererun said:

Thanksgiving beating victim says assault was hate crime | wcsh6.com

In case you have not heard of this crazy, over thanksgiving a lesbian woman was beaten severely by the 18 year old brother of her lover during thanksgiving. Buit wait, this story gets even more insane. It occurs the brother had attacked her before with a pipe. On top of that their father is in jail for shooting the boy during some domestic dispute when he was 17. The boy has also threatened to finish the job he started after being released on bail. Yes, jail is a lovely place for this boy, and hopefully the FBI will follow up on the obvious hate crime that the state of Alabama is reluctant to file against him.

However, i have to ask the question of what the hell was going through the victim and her girlfriend's head? Obviously this family has some rather deep issues with abuse and other crap. First, why the hell did the victim even bother going when she knows the kid is pretty homicidal towards her? He hit her with a pipe before and beat her up. She says she thought the family was going to be nice to her, but she really put herself in the middle of a dangerous and hostile environment. It is for no reason at all because she seems to have a family of her own that cares for her. You know the family has an overly psychotic reputation of domestic abuse and violent acts, just stay away. Then what the hell is her girlfriend thinking? You don't drag someone you care about into psycho household with your homophobic brother who already tried to kill her.

Does this strike anyone else as completely stupid all around?

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I guess Jerry Springer's guests are real.

Goshin said:

Hypothetically... but if anyone has ever been punished on that basis (minority attacking majority), I'd be interested in hearing about it... cuz I'm pretty sure it is rare-to-never in reality.

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FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics

Of the 6,008 known offenders, 58.6 percent were white and 18.4 percent were black. For 12.0 percent, the race was unknown, and the remaining known offenders were of other races.

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Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.

Hatuey said:

FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics



Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.

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No man only white people are ever called racist. Its true because my gut says so.

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No man only white people are ever called racist. Its true because my gut says so.

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That... or 13% of the population commits most of the hate crime against all data showing to the contrary. I find it amazing that the lie of "minorities almost never get accused/prosecuted for hate crimes" keeps being spewed. It doesn't matter what the numbers and statistics actually.

Hatuey said:

FBI — FBI Releases 2010 Hate Crime Statistics



Blacks make up 13% of the population. Whites of non-hispanic origin, 63%.

Hate crime prosecution/statistics are pretty much on par with with demographics.

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Okay, I guess I learned something new today. Surprising but it is what it is.

Goshin said:

He should be tried for assault and battery, and punished accordingly. Punish the crime, not the thought behind it.

Hate crime? You don't beat someone with a pipe because you love them. :roll:


I don't believe in extra protections for certain classes of people... protect everyone equally under the law.

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Just to get this out first: I oppose hate crime laws. However, I do believe in enforcing the law. If there is credible evidence that this was a hate crime, it should be prosecuted as such.

Hate crime exist for the same reason murder 1, murder 2 and manslaughter exist. It serves to qualify the type of crime which occurred. It's the reason we have armed robbery vs unarmed robbery. All things are not the same under the eyes of the law.

Hate crime laws are on the books because it is important to let the liberal client groups know that the need for their continued existence is superior to that of whites. The reason that minorities are not charged or prosecuted for hate crimes is because it is important to emphasize that the liberal client groups are always victims of whites and therefore whites deserve any punishment they receive from the various liberal client groups.

Stop voting Democrat and see what happens to those hate crime laws.

Actually, it is being handled as per the law. It seems AL cannot charge him with a hate crime because sexual orientation is not listed under the state's hate crime laws. This would be why the FBI is on the case because it is a hate crime under federal law to attack a person for their sexual orientation. Still, looking at this kid's life i don't think there is much you can do to him to make his life worse. He is in his teens, lives with a crazy family, has had other trouble with the law, is poor as dirt, and his own father shot him for being worthless. He is going to be convicted on the assault and tossed into a place where he is the minority and he doesn't seem to know how to keep his purty little mouth shut. I have this feeling he will know what it means to be a catcher pretty soon when bubba the love sponge gets a hold of him.

Ray410 said:

Hate crime laws are on the books because it is important to let the liberal client groups know that the need for their continued existence is superior to that of whites. The reason that minorities are not charged or prosecuted for hate crimes is because it is important to emphasize that the liberal client groups are always victims of whites and therefore whites deserve any punishment they receive from the various liberal client groups.

Stop voting Democrat and see what happens to those hate crime laws.

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oh you poor thing, how do you go on living with how badly the world treats you/ You are truly a symbol of strength and perseverence the way you handle having absolutely nothing done to you like that. The interesting thing about hate crime laws is despite your claims they don't actually effect you in any way shape or form unless you go and commit a crime. So if you are not planning on assaulting or murdering someone these laws don't effect you at all. The only thing they do is lengthen the time people who do commit crimes spend in jail. perhaps it seems like they might be scaring you away from assaulting a minority with the way you are complaining. You seem dissapointed you can't get a normal sentence for assaulting or killing people based on your personal prejudices whatever they may be. If that is not the case what are you so angry about?

Ray410 said:

Hate crime laws are on the books because it is important to let the liberal client groups know that the need for their continued existence is superior to that of whites. The reason that minorities are not charged or prosecuted for hate crimes is because it is important to emphasize that the liberal client groups are always victims of whites and therefore whites deserve any punishment they receive from the various liberal client groups.

Stop voting Democrat and see what happens to those hate crime laws.

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I just proved without a shadow of a doubt that this is not true. Quit making **** up? K thanks.

Ray410 said:

Hate crime laws are on the books because it is important to let the liberal client groups know that the need for their continued existence is superior to that of whites. The reason that minorities are not charged or prosecuted for hate crimes is because it is important to emphasize that the liberal client groups are always victims of whites and therefore whites deserve any punishment they receive from the various liberal client groups.

Stop voting Democrat and see what happens to those hate crime laws.

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Dude, the idea that minorities don't get charged with hate crimes has already been proven wrong. Didn't you read the thread? I don't think you read the thread.

Because the only other alternative is that you read the thread and just elected to ignore the proof to the contrary. That you chose to cling to an idea that is proven wrong because you just like the idea better. You like to feel persecuted, I guess.

Which is it? Because it can only be one of the two.