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Education

justabubba said:
wrong? if the student made the selection? i don't think so
if the kid is bright and can succeed in the college prep program but opts to instead pursue the less academically challenging apprenticeship program, or the basic work skills program, then that is the student's choice to make
if the student who is under-prepared and/or without the aptitude to succeed in the college prep program, (s)he should still be able to pursue it and succeed or fail. again, the student's choice
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Many will make that choice, have made that choice, and later regretted it. I only bring that up as I lived it. It may be their choice, but that doesn't mean they will choose wisely. And they may well meet a cold reality when they realize they really did need to knwo more than they thought.

no, there should be significant difference between a college prep track, an apprenticeship track and a basic work skills track
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It's not that great. Much of the tools used today in fields have major technology and the tech manuals require high reading level to comprehend. In industrial programs here we have people failing because they don't have the reading level to compete. We have jobs in the fields, but students who can't master the reading or the tech. The world has changed a bit.
 
DDD said:
Assuming that all other issues remain constant that is for culture alone without financially backed plan may not work. Canada makes it to the top 10 and it is multi-cultured as well.
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No, it is not. It is Bi-Cultural and even that is very limited to a specific geographical location. Within one or two generations, immigrants in Canada are almost if not totally culturally indistinguishable between the English based Culture throughout most of Canada or the French based Culture of Quebec. Working around the Canadians during my career, I have never once heard a Canadian of any ethnic background, other than Quebec, ever refer to themselves as Afro-Canadian, Asian-Canadian, Mexican-Canadian, etc. it's always just plain Canadian or Quebecois. Also never heard of them having African-Canadian appreciation month, or Asian-Pacific Islander-Canadian appreciation month or any other such nonsense.

The Blacks I have met from Canada talk the same, dress the same and generally act the same as any other Canadian with regional and individual tolerances. You don't see them running around with their pants almost falling off their hips, Dressed in "gang banger" FUBU gear with their hats on crooked flashing gang sign and croaking in Eubonics or whatever ignorant Geichi-Dap made up bull**** that many American Blacks adopt.
 
Boo Radley said:
Many will make that choice, have made that choice, and later regretted it. I only bring that up as I lived it. It may be their choice, but that doesn't mean they will choose wisely. And they may well meet a cold reality when they realize they really did need to knwo more than they thought.
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i hear you
got a free ride to study aerospace engineering altho that was not something i was passionate about
but pursued it anyway to make my Dad happy/proud
wish i had a 'do-over' because i would have instead studied that which truly interested me
just to explain while i agree parental input is important, the student should always get to cast the deciding vote
It's not that great.
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but it NEEDS to be. one size does not fit all when it comes to education ... and aptitude
Much of the tools used today in fields have major technology and the tech manuals require high reading level to comprehend. In industrial programs here we have people failing because they don't have the reading level to compete. We have jobs in the fields, but students who can't master the reading or the tech. The world has changed a bit.
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i think we are saying the same thing in different ways
neither of us is advocating placing students into programs where they are destined to fail
my son is a software engineer. he receives LOTS of applications for employment. he receives LOTS of inquiries from headhunters looking for talent. there are LOTS of $125,000 entry level jobs going unfilled because the talent does not exist. it seems many who would like to be programmers do not have the basic skills necessary to succeed. being fond of playing software driven games is not enough. just as it is not enough that you like to eat food before deciding to become a restauranteur.
so, no, i am not advocating placing the under-prepared in programs which they are not expected to accomplish. what i am suggesting is that all students are not willing or able to pursue a university education and we must address their needs, too. that 30% of our student population which drops out needs an alternative to a college prep education, and the german model appears to work well in that country. we should adopt it
 
justabubba said:
i hear you
got a free ride to study aerospace engineering altho that was not something i was passionate about
but pursued it anyway to make my Dad happy/proud
wish i had a 'do-over' because i would have instead studied that which truly interested me
just to explain while i agree parental input is important, the student should always get to cast the deciding vote

but it NEEDS to be. one size does not fit all when it comes to education ... and aptitude

i think we are saying the same thing in different ways
neither of us is advocating placing students into programs where they are destined to fail
my son is a software engineer. he receives LOTS of applications for employment. he receives LOTS of inquiries from headhunters looking for talent. there are LOTS of $125,000 entry level jobs going unfilled because the talent does not exist. it seems many who would like to be programmers do not have the basic skills necessary to succeed. being fond of playing software driven games is not enough. just as it is not enough that you like to eat food before deciding to become a restauranteur.
so, no, i am not advocating placing the under-prepared in programs which they are not expected to accomplish. what i am suggesting is that all students are not willing or able to pursue a university education and we must address their needs, too. that 30% of our student population which drops out needs an alternative to a college prep education, and the german model appears to work well in that country. we should adopt it
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I don't mind letting the talent and apptitude lead the way. But abritrary choices at an early age, either by child or parent, I think leads to years of regret for some (how many I couldn't say).
 
education is a best way of achieve aim of life.i am agree that us people,s are not proper educated. and other hand other country like china , span,Singapore,UK,Switzerland,Netherlands, New Zealand,Canada,Ireland etc.
 
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