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Walmart workers demand better wages

Well, let's see . . . when I entered ourwalmart.com into my address bar . . . here's what came up:

Yeah ... It isn't a union.

... Unions are not making any money from this.

Bobcat said:
Yeah, right, and Jimmy Hoffa is alive and living in Costa Rica.

Thats not really an argument for anything.
 
Because they have too ...

An employer has no duty to do anything, neither do employees.

The reason there is no longer a textile industry in the US or all of those things is because of the LOSS of unions, outsroucing happened majorly in the 80s and 90s, when Unions were being destroyed, because unions previously were making sure that outsourcing didn't happen.

You're speaking out of total ignorance.

Damn! you have been brainwashed by your "union brothers and sisters". What a crock of s**t
 
Oh, Christ. There we have it: "My union brothers and sisters..." :rofl
i'm glad that this amuses you, as you are so very, very , very poorly informed as to what was going on.
 
Yeah ... It isn't a union.

... Unions are not making any money from this.



Thats not really an argument for anything.
it is an argument for someone who has nothing to offer to the conversation other than the right wing talking points he has been fed.
 
i have, and you are very poorly informed...perhaps if YOU actually did some research, and not depend on the right wing talking points that are fed to you daily, perhaps you would realize this.

Oh, I see. Hostess went out of business because its evil, greedy, capitalist slave driving management wanted to keep all the money and pay the workers $1 per hour. Is that what your left wing BS blogs have told you?
 
:lamo :lamo :lamo yeah, right.

Ok, so what are you denying, that outsourcing mainly happened in the 80s and 90s? Or that Unions were in the decline at that time period? (maily due to reagan's administration no longer enforcing labor laws).
 
Yeah ... It isn't a union.

... Unions are not making any money from this.



Thats not really an argument for anything.

If the unions were to sign up all of the millions of walmart employees---would the union make money? Would the union bosses get higher pay? Would the walmart customers pay higher prices?

Your position on this is foolish and uninformed. We have laws on the books in every state to protect workers from abuse and poor working conditions, unions do nothing but inflate prices and fill their own pockets.
 
Don't think I could put it better.

I love all these "ivory tower" business intellectuals. If they know so much, why don't they try to test it out? Emperical evidence is the name of the game, and people either learn quickly or go broke. (When I say "ivory tower" I exempt economists. They do actually have to apply what they know because they are actually involved in policy making, and often employed by businesses.)

I own a business. I am trying it out. We participate in things like food drives, volunteer our services to help with a given cause and make wage decisions on what generates an employee that strives a little bit harder for the business and its been paying off.

CSR is the idea a business is part of the community and giving back is not only good for the bottom line in the long run but generates good will and positive PR amongst the community.

Its not an ivory tower concept. If bad PR were put into dollars every incident of bad PR costing 1$ would cost you 5$ worth of advertising to correct.

Your inability to not know what the sam hell you are talking and do so with authority is amazing.
 
Tell me why that is, Haymarket. Why have those few people put WalMart in their sights? I suppose you would answer, "They import all their junk from foreign countries." True. So does every other retailer in the United States. Or, you might answer, "They treat their employees like ****." Well, if that's true? So does every other major retailer in the United States. Or, you might answer, "They move into a town and mom-and-pop stores go out of business." The same thing happened with Pamida came to town (in Wisconsin), when Kohl's came to town, when Sears came to town.

So riddle me, Haymarket: Why WalMart? You and I both know the answer to that question.

I thought for sure that I had already answered that...... like the great Wilt Chamberlain used to say often ..... Everybody hates Goliath.
 
Oh, I see. Hostess went out of business because its evil, greedy, capitalist slave driving management wanted to keep all the money and pay the workers $1 per hour. Is that what your left wing BS blogs have told you?
i stated fact, it was poor management that did the company in....sad to see them go, as many people enjoyed their products, but when you have people running the company that know squat about what they are doing, know nothing about the business they are in, this is what happens...the unions have given and given back to the company, while the top execs were getting huge pay raises as the company went into bankruptcy...do some actual reasearch and think for yourself for a change.
 
If every Walton died tomorrow, leaving behind all the assets and capital, Walmart would be fine ... If every Walmart employee, or not even employee, Janitor died tomorrow Walmart would have major problems.

Hmm..you're talking about a few people vs a million people. Lets try and keep things in perspective here shall we? If the same number of employee's died as there are Waltons Wal-Mart would be just fine.

And no, Wal-mart would not be just fine if the Waltons died. It would create instability, stocks would go down and its quite possible that the next person to inherit would try and liquidate everything. Baring that the next person in control could just reduce everyone's paycheck down to minimum wage and take away all but federally mandated benefits.
 
Ok, so what are you denying, that outsourcing mainly happened in the 80s and 90s? Or that Unions were in the decline at that time period? (maily due to reagan's administration no longer enforcing labor laws).

Union membership has declined because a lot of workers finally realized that the unions were screwing them and that they did not need to have money taken from every paycheck to pay the fatcat labor bosses who were doing nothing for them.
 
Exactly how is the government subsidizing walmart? before you answer look up the word "subsidy"

Several ways actually. The big ones are FIT, EITC, SNAP, PPACA, educational subsidies and other "public assistance" given based on "low" income. What many here seem to say is that any job should pay a "living wage", thus the "answer" is to make a McJob sufficient to support a family. Of course, that would simply mean a never ending cycle of inflation and minimum wages increases or direct gov't subsidies to "make up the difference". What seems to be missing is why anyone is "limitted to" working a single entry level low/semi-skilled job for life. The minimum wage has been basically static (adjusted for inflation) since 1970, yet only now do we see a McJob as a "carreer".
 
If the unions were to sign up all of the millions of walmart employees---would the union make money? Would the union bosses get higher pay? Would the walmart customers pay higher prices?

Your position on this is foolish and uninformed. We have laws on the books in every state to protect workers from abuse and poor working conditions, unions do nothing but inflate prices and fill their own pockets.
"laws " protecting workers are challenged everyday in this country, and furthermore, laws are only as good as the people enforcing them.
 
i stated fact, it was poor management that did the company in....sad to see them go, as many people enjoyed their products, but when you have people running the company that know squat about what they are doing, know nothing about the business they are in, this is what happens...the unions have given and given back to the company, while the top execs were getting huge pay raises as the company went into bankruptcy...do some actual reasearch and think for yourself for a change.

OK, you choose to believe that left wing union BS story if it makes you and your "union brothers and sisters" happy. I will not waste any more time trying to educate you, you have already sacrificed too many brain cells to the left wing BS
 
I thought for sure that I had already answered that...... like the great Wilt Chamberlain used to say often ..... Everybody hates Goliath.

Well, since that's a very poor answer, I'll help you: Unions have been spreading misinformation about WalMart for years. They salivate at the thought of 1.5 million union members paying their $15-$20 a month into their organizations. They will say anything, do anything, lie, misinform and go to the ends of the earth to enroll them as dues' paying members. They hope that by getting that cork out of the bottle? They will be restored to greatness. I guess we'll see.
 
OK, you choose to believe that left wing union BS story if it makes you and your "union brothers and sisters" happy. I will not waste any more time trying to educate you, you have already sacrificed too many brain cells to the left wing BS
to educate someone, one must be educated himself, and what you are posting i can assure you, is not 'educated'......
 
If the unions were to sign up all of the millions of walmart employees---would the union make money? Would the union bosses get higher pay? Would the walmart customers pay higher prices?

Your position on this is foolish and uninformed. We have laws on the books in every state to protect workers from abuse and poor working conditions, unions do nothing but inflate prices and fill their own pockets.

The Union may or may not make more money depending on the costs .. the Union bosses ... probably not, unless the workers elected them to have a higher pay, and as for the customers, not necessarily, although walmart unionizing would put upward pressure on wages all around.

Unions don't infate prices higher than the wages they gain.

Your assuming
A: people are not saving any money
B: consumption for necessary goods are unlimited (they arn't you can only eat so much food, a middle class household won't buy extra houses if they have some extra cash)
C: Your assuming That supply won't meet demand (of coarse it will move in that direction)
D: Your also leaving out tons of other factors, for example people with disposable income and more time can shop around more, thus putting a downward pressure, or the fact that they don't spend extra money on things like food or electricity, but rather more luxury goods, or say the fact that higher wages may mean you only need one person working rather than 2 and so on and so forth."

And when people have money to spend you have an incentive for investment to meet that demand, thus all teh excess capacity gets put to use ... thats where the production comes from ... We HAVE excess capacity, get that through your head, the capital is there, but without demand there is no incentive to put people to work.
 
Union membership has declined because a lot of workers finally realized that the unions were screwing them and that they did not need to have money taken from every paycheck to pay the fatcat labor bosses who were doing nothing for them.

So it just so happened that that "realization" came after Reagen stopped enforcing labor laws?

Also polls show that many many workers would LIKE to join a union but don't have that option.
 
Several ways actually. The big ones are FIT, EITC, SNAP, PPACA, educational subsidies and other "public assistance" given based on "low" income. What many here seem to say is that any job should pay a "living wage", thus the "answer" is to make a McJob sufficient to support a family. Of course, that would simply mean a never ending cycle of inflation and minimum wages increases or direct gov't subsidies to "make up the difference". What seems to be missing is why anyone is "limitted to" working a single entry level low/semi-skilled job for life. The minimum wage has been basically static (adjusted for inflation) since 1970, yet only now do we see a McJob as a "carreer".

Thats an old story that has been debunked several times. If a person does not like what walmart offers in terms of pay and benefits, no one is forcing them to work there. If you don't like the govt giveaways to low income people, tell your congressman.

But the fact remains, low skilled jobs merit low pay. Supply and demand---face it. Its not the govt's job to make us all equal in terms of pay and material stuff.
 
Hmm..you're talking about a few people vs a million people. Lets try and keep things in perspective here shall we? If the same number of employee's died as there are Waltons Wal-Mart would be just fine.

And no, Wal-mart would not be just fine if the Waltons died. It would create instability, stocks would go down and its quite possible that the next person to inherit would try and liquidate everything. Baring that the next person in control could just reduce everyone's paycheck down to minimum wage and take away all but federally mandated benefits.

Lets say they die and walmart gets handed over to the employees ... it would sitll work fine.

Eitherway, caliming the Waltons are actually contributing into the production of walmart profits what they are taking out is insane.
 
Several ways actually. The big ones are FIT, EITC, SNAP, PPACA, educational subsidies and other "public assistance" given based on "low" income. What many here seem to say is that any job should pay a "living wage", thus the "answer" is to make a McJob sufficient to support a family. Of course, that would simply mean a never ending cycle of inflation and minimum wages increases or direct gov't subsidies to "make up the difference". What seems to be missing is why anyone is "limitted to" working a single entry level low/semi-skilled job for life. The minimum wage has been basically static (adjusted for inflation) since 1970, yet only now do we see a McJob as a "carreer".

Right you are. Our entitlement programs are designed to help exactly these people. To say that WalMart is subsidized by our entitlement programs, one must have to believe that every restaurant, every fast-food outlet, every gas station, every convenience store, every other retail store in the United States, every bowling alley, every skating rink, every (I think you get picture) are also subsidized by our entitlement programs. That would be true. And that's not a bad thing. That's a boogey-man waiting to pounce. That's the way the system was set up.
 
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