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Walmart workers demand better wages

waas said:
Living wages are only subjective to a certain extent. If your wages put you below Harrington's definition of the poverty line - that is, needing to choose between essentials - , then something needs to change.
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Even the preference for essentials is some what subjective.
I could be happy living in a one room, wood heated, no a/c shack, with well water.
Others would find that impossible to tolerate.
 
waas said:
Living wages are only subjective to a certain extent. If your wages put you below Harrington's definition of the poverty line - that is, needing to choose between essentials - , then something needs to change.
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So how much per hour should WalMart pay a greeter or cart pusher? Right now that is $8 per hour (more than minimum wage btw)
 
grip said:
I make reasonable suggestions, not decisions. Let the chips fall baby.
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"Reasonable" to who? You? Collectivists? I think you are throwing up frustrations with the trend of cost of living today as everyone is, however, I think your core blame for these frustrations is misplaced.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Are people with retirement funds (including a lot of current and former Walmart associates) part of the "investor class?"
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Yes, just like addressing Prop 13 here in California would mean "harming" retirees who planned for the 1% rate. Even though the issue is commercial real estate.

Everyones retirement is on the casino table. Has it always been? Or did it come to pass because it keeps individuals "off the backs" of Wall St?
 
What if...? said:
Yes, just like addressing Prop 13 here in California would mean "harming" retirees who planned for the 1% rate. Even though the issue is commercial real estate.

Everyones retirement is on the casino table. Has it always been? Or did it come to pass because it keeps individuals "off the backs" of Wall St?
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For me, it's been that way.
Why should my investments for retirement be altered because some dude, wants a raise at a low skilled job.

My money is on the line, his isn't.
 
RLN said:
Seeing that Walmart doesn't have (sic) any responsibility or mandate to improve the general state of our economy or to reduce the number of people who take government benefits, than why does the rich deserve tax cuts and loopholes? :roll:
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I don't know. I've never said they DID deserve any of that.

Dude, you seem to be intent on talking about something I've expressed no opinion on in this thread. Why is that?
 
MaggieD said:
I don't believe that. WalMart has sucked up 1.5 million retail workers from the labor market. If anything, if their pay was as bad as it's purported to be, market forces should have forced other retailers to pay better than WalMart in order to attract employees.
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Walmart hasn't "sucked up" anything. They have not provided any more jobs than would have existed otherwise. They have merely moved jobs from mildly higher paying employers into their own job offerings. Other employers were providing all the same services as Walmart before Walmart ever existed. Those other employers were offering the jobs that now Walmart offers. No "sucking up" of any excess labor, on net. Think it through, next time.

Retail has always been low pay.

When a company is unionized, it's costs go up by 25 to 35%. Talk about putting WalMart at a competitive disadvantage. The last WalMart store unionized was in Canada. WalMart shut down the store.

What Is the Cost of Unions? - Adams, Nash, Haskell & Sheridan - Labor Relations Consultants
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All of the retail industry should be unionized. Then, there wouldn't be any disadvantage for any employer.
 
Dezaad said:
Walmart hasn't "sucked up" anything. They have not provided any more jobs than would have existed otherwise. They have merely moved jobs from mildly higher paying employers into their own job offerings. Other employers were providing all the same services as Walmart before Walmart ever existed. Those other employers were offering the jobs that now Walmart offers. No "sucking up" of any excess labor, on net. Think it through, next time.
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Oh, I see!!! Now I understand!!! Companies don't create jobs!!! Jesus. Get a clue.
 
waas said:
Living wages are only subjective to a certain extent. If your wages put you below Harrington's definition of the poverty line - that is, needing to choose between essentials - , then something needs to change.
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Harrington's socialist view of what America "should" be, is much a do about nothing. His lament's are a look at exactly why socialism is rejected in this country.
 
Fletch said:
So how much per hour should WalMart pay a greeter or cart pusher? Right now that is $8 per hour (more than minimum wage btw)
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That's not a question for me to answer, as I don't work for WalMart. What should be done is tiered wages, with a standard minimum wage(set by an agreement between the protesters and WalMart) and a maximum of 7:1.
 
waas said:
That's not a question for me to answer, as I don't work for WalMart. What should be done is tiered wages, with a standard minimum wage(set by an agreement between the protesters and WalMart) and a maximum of 7:1.
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Then what say should you have in it? We have witnessed exactly what unions, and meddling like this brings....See Hostess.
 
j-mac said:
Harrington's socialist view of what America "should" be, is much a do about nothing. His lament's are a look at exactly why socialism is rejected in this country.
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And yet you refuse, or rather, are unable, to critique his beliefs past that. There's a reason Harrington was so credible - that is, he provided a sensible economic solution, using the Democratic Socialism often practiced Europe.

He advocated for unionization, government set minimum wages, civil responsibility and workers' self management.
 
j-mac said:
Then what say should you have in it? We have witnessed exactly what unions, and meddling like this brings....See Hostess.
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But my post wasn't about unions, now was it? If you want to criticize my comment, criticize the wage system I presented.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Even the preference for essentials is some what subjective.
I could be happy living in a one room, wood heated, no a/c shack, with well water.
Others would find that impossible to tolerate.
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This isn't about a/c, heating, or bottled water. The definition that I'm using here is about essentials and necessities: such as safe/healthy housing, medicine, clothing of any decent standard, safe water, etc.
 
waas said:
And yet you refuse, or rather, are unable, to critique his beliefs past that. There's a reason Harrington was so credible - that is, he provided a sensible economic solution, using the Democratic Socialism often practiced Europe.

He advocated for unionization, government set minimum wages, civil responsibility and workers' self management.
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It's not just me brother....Check out what Maurice Isserman, a professor of history at Hamilton College and the author of “The Other American: The Life of Michael Harrington.” had to say in an open essay in the NYTimes on the man, and his views...

As social theory, it is deeply flawed. Harrington’s culture-of-poverty thesis was at best ambiguous, at worst an impediment to making the case for what he regarded as the real solution. (In later books, he made no use of the term.)

Essay - Michael Harrington - Warrior on Poverty - NYTimes.com
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The so called "war on Poverty" has been a dismal failure in this country, wasting trillions of dollars on a problem that the so called "champions of the poor" democrats have no real motivation to solve because it threatens their voting base to do so.

Edwards was the last democrat to use this "Two America's" meme in any meaningful way, and was roundly defeated before he even made it to the grand stage. America rejects this division.
 
waas said:
But my post wasn't about unions, now was it? If you want to criticize my comment, criticize the wage system I presented.
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Then why'd you start it off with such predictable platitude?
 
waas said:
This isn't about a/c, heating, or bottled water. The definition that I'm using here is about essentials and necessities: such as safe/healthy housing, medicine, clothing of any decent standard, safe water, etc.
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I know what you're using and I said that can be just as subjective.
 
waas said:
This isn't about a/c, heating, or bottled water. The definition that I'm using here is about essentials and necessities: such as safe/healthy housing, medicine, clothing of any decent standard, safe water, etc.
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Walmart workers need to learn how to afford all that stuff on minimum wage.
 
Mycroft said:
I don't know. I've never said they DID deserve any of that.

Dude, you seem to be intent on talking about something I've expressed no opinion on in this thread. Why is that?
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Great I'm glad to meet a conservative that believes that the rich do not deserve tax cuts. I'm happy. ;)
 
RLN said:
Great I'm glad to meet a conservative that believes that the rich do not deserve tax cuts. I'm happy. ;)
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sigh...

I've never said they do not deserve tax cuts.

Does THAT make you happy?

LOL!!!
 
waas said:
But my post wasn't about unions, now was it? If you want to criticize my comment, criticize the wage system I presented.
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Based on your 7:1 formula, if the lowest walmart employee makes $8 per hour the CEO should make $56 per hour or about $114,000 per year.
We have already ceded the Governments right to set a minimum wage, so I guess a maximum wage is not out of the question.
I do think these types of price controls are a dangerous slippery slope.
 
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