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1. No, not since I say it isn't socialism, due to the definition of socailism ... As it ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Property rights protects those with property, property rights should be and are subservient to social concerns.
2. I'm not gonna make a semantics argument about revolution. Labor is worth what it produces, also mutual exchange only happens within the context of the UN mutual property and capital disparencies, also its not about forcing the employer to do anything, its about changing the employer employee relationship, I'm supporting a system where it isn't up to a capitalist whether or not buisiness activity happens.
3. Europes problems are happening to those countries that followed a neo-liberal route and abandoned socail democracy. Socialism doesn't slide into autocratic rule, LENINISM IS NOT SOCIALISM. Capitalism being a plutocracy is by definition true, who controls the resources and capital and thus power? Those with the most money, i.e. plutocracy.
You're right the kings didn't change via-election ... so what? Neither do Capitalists.
1. No they should not. Russia and China are both defined as socialist. Sorry you dont see it that way or like it but they are. Socialist totalitarian regimes, but hey, I warned you thats where socialism goes.
2. Your entire stance is contradictary jargon. Capitalists are the ones that take the risks to make business happen. Without risk takers, there is no business. You want a capitalist system run for the benefit of the unions and workers---ok, whose money will you steal to create businesses and whats to stop government from taking it and making slaves of the workers if they feel like it? Once government can grant that sort of power, they most certainly can take away whatever they like.
3. No. They are happening because they are not financially viable social spending. You run out of other people's money. If people open a business and work at it and make it successful, they then control more money and resources. If 4 workers get together and open a business, guess what? They are then capitalists. Your stance is demonization and rationalization of taking from others to satisfy some need you seem to have to take from those you see as rich.
From where this conversation is going you seem to be one of those dreamer socialists that just think government can start confiscating and keep the businesses running. Government doesnt run much of anything very well for very long.
Capitalists cant forcibly take anything from someone else, they have to earn it. They are not elected officials, they are not Kings, they earned their command of resources and money--they did not forcibly take it. You seem to see business owners as evil entities that never earn anything. They arent angels but if there is no incentive to make a business successful there wont be any businesses to confiscate anything from.