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Walmart workers demand better wages

When and where might make a difference.

Even where and when, I was barely making enough to get by.
Let's be clear though, these aren't jobs to live on, unless you have a dual income household.

I did not have one, but had 3 people to support.
At that point I changed jobs.
 
If there wasn't a glut of unskilled, unemployed labor, then they might actually have to pay more and it would become important to them. Not going to happen during our lifetimes.

If we wanted them skilled, we'd get them there. Ask yourself why we don't?
 
Even where and when, I was barely making enough to get by.
Let's be clear though, these aren't jobs to live on, unless you have a dual income household.

I did not have one, but had 3 people to support.
At that point I changed jobs.

People do live on them. Lots of people do. And have trouble changing jobs.
 
People do live on them. Lots of people do. And have trouble changing jobs.

Yea but you can't expect Walmart, Yum Brands, McDonald's, Target, etc, to become so intertwined in the lives of their employees that they adjust wages based on individual living situations.
It's unrealistic.

The employee/employer relationship, should be at arms length, because people shouldn't be married to their jobs, especially if they're on the lower end of the wage scale.
They can loose a lot of competitiveness in getting the most buck from their labor.

That's why we have federal education initiatives and subsidies so people can move out of these low end jobs.
If people don't take advantage of all things available, it's not Walmart's fault.
 
Yea but you can't expect Walmart, Yum Brands, McDonald's, Target, etc, to become so intertwined in the lives of their employees that they adjust wages based on individual living situations.
It's unrealistic.

The employee/employer relationship, should be at arms length, because people shouldn't be married to their jobs, especially if they're on the lower end of the wage scale.
They can loose a lot of competitiveness in getting the most buck from their labor.

That's why we have federal education initiatives and subsidies so people can move out of these low end jobs.
If people don't take advantage of all things available, it's not Walmart's fault.

Not what I said. And we've been. Cutting federal programs that help educate. More cuts are on the way. It has been part of the problem.
 
Not what I said. And we've been. Cutting federal programs that help educate. More cuts are on the way. It has been part of the problem.

Well, I didn't say we should necessarily cut education programs, but there are options for people in low skill/low pay jobs.
If they choose not to take advantage of them, we should not further subsidize their choice, with artificial wage increases.

It's entirely no productive.
 
Well, I didn't say we should necessarily cut education programs, but there are options for people in low skill/low pay jobs.
If they choose not to take advantage of them, we should not further subsidize their choice, with artificial wage increases.

It's entirely no productive.

Artificial? This implies there is something other than artificial wage choices. Frankly, there is not as set a science as you make it sound.
 
Yes they are "whining", just like people "whined" about getting rid of child labor, just like people "whined" to gain the 8 hour work day, just like people "whined" for the weekend.. They're demands are not demanding the "right to that legacy" (whatever legacy that is) they are demanding better treatment and wages.
Also without people like these "whiners" the Walton family would never have made it, after all these "whiners" are the ones that make the company function.
They are whining because they are working a low skilled job for decent wages, given an opportunity to advance where they would NEVER had such opportunities, and now want more. they think they are 'entitled' to more. Sorry...no dice. Low skilled retail jobs universally pay about the same whether you work for Dans Dime Store, Maverick, or WalMart. You dont get to bleat on for higher pay because the owner of the store is successful.

YOU on the other hand are free to hire as many of them as you like and pay them whatever the **** you want. And you should. Now. Go and do.
 
Artificial? This implies there is something other than artificial wage choices. Frankly, there is not as set a science as you make it sound.

It's artificial, if the wages would not be as high, sans the outcry/legislation/whatever.
Just increasing wages, to make people feel better, makes no sense.
 
It's artificial, if the wages would not be as high, sans the outcry/legislation/whatever.
Just increasing wages, to make people feel better, makes no sense.

I don't recall ever arguing "to make (anyone) feel better." It's a negotiation. Unions help with the negotiation.
 
I don't recall ever arguing "to make (anyone) feel better." It's a negotiation. Unions help with the negotiation.

No, unions create a labor monopoly, where no outsiders can compete directly with the unionized labor.
Sorry, but generally speaking, government granted monopolies tend to be abusive and/or destructive.
 
No, unions create a labor monopoly, where no outsiders can compete directly with the unionized labor.
Sorry, but generally speaking, government granted monopolies tend to be abusive and/or destructive.
no, the union IS THE PEOPLE IN THE PLANT, WHO ELECT THEIR BARGAINING COMMITTEE. they negotiate a binding contract....do you have a problem with contracts? businesses use contracts with each other....
 
Most of the Walmart protests are what was popularly coined as "astroturf."
From the reports I've seen, the majority of those protesting are on the payroll of "OUR Walmart."

Walmart's average wage is around $10.50 an hour and benefits like 401k with a 6% match, profit sharing, medical, in store discount card, ESPP, etc.
This is plainly just an attempt of the union trying to get more due paying members.

The video was typical left wing media. They never mentioned that protesters were bussed in, you don't bus in people who actually work at the store.Just because someone claims to be a Walmart employee does not mean they really are.

Walmart is not a career....it is a job...and when one applies their they know what thy are applying for....very few out walking even worked at a Walmart....if one wants more money go to a school that will teach you a trade...because jobs like this will never ever pay enough to sustain a family....
 
Yea, it's actually $16.5 billion, but 33% is distributed in dividends and of course they either hold the rest for liquidity/float or they use it for further investment purposes.
Viva hard work in building a successful global empire. In addition to that figure, i cant help but wonder how many people are invested that stock, how many managers have gone from unskilled employees to relatively well paid and successful individuals, how many charities they have funded, college scholarship programs they have funded, etc etc etc.

That Sam Walton was a smart guy. Looks like a whole lot of win win win and not a small amount of competing whine whine whine.
 
No, unions create a labor monopoly, where no outsiders can compete directly with the unionized labor.
Sorry, but generally speaking, government granted monopolies tend to be abusive and/or destructive.

No, what randel said.

I really don't want to merely repeat him, but unions merely allow employees a strong enough voice to effectively negotiate with management.
 
No, unions create a labor monopoly, where no outsiders can compete directly with the unionized labor.
Sorry, but generally speaking, government granted monopolies tend to be abusive and/or destructive.

As opposed to naturally occurring cartels (pick an product: oil, internet providers etc) which are what? Full of good will and generous with customers?
 
No, what randel said.

I really don't want to merely repeat him, but unions merely allow employees a strong enough voice to effectively negotiate with management.

And how smart are they to loose 18,000 jobs at Hostess. Union management failure at it's worst.
 
And how smart are they to loose 18,000 jobs at Hostess. Union management failure at it's worst.
company mismanagement...putting people in charge who knew nothing of what they were doing.
 
No, unions create a labor monopoly, where no outsiders can compete directly with the unionized labor.
Sorry, but generally speaking, government granted monopolies tend to be abusive and/or destructive.

All monopolies tend to be abusive and in the long term, are self destructive, whether they are government granted or not, and all will fail. Eventually the point will be reached where someone will figure out a cheaper or better alternative be it reverting back to lower or incentive based labor, finding ways to reduce costs, such as circumventing the laws, for instance by hiring only part time or contract workers, shipping jobs overseas, or simply closing.
 
There are radicals on both sides. I don't agree with the far left or the far right on any issue. They both take the issues to the extreme.

Yet they seem to get their way. It's honestly gotten to the point where activism is a four letter word to me.
 
Of course it provides a service, it allows you to pay for the goods that you have selected. It "costs the economy jobs" in the same way that a plow does.

Yet, productivity in the long run produces jobs.
 
Viva hard work in building a successful global empire. In addition to that figure, i cant help but wonder how many people are invested that stock, how many managers have gone from unskilled employees to relatively well paid and successful individuals, how many charities they have funded, college scholarship programs they have funded, etc etc etc.

That Sam Walton was a smart guy. Looks like a whole lot of win win win and not a small amount of competing whine whine whine.


Like the 114 dead non-union Bangla Deshi's who worked for him?
 
Like the 114 dead non-union Bangla Deshi's who worked for him?

I'm sure he purposely killed them, himself, barehanded, just because he was having a bad day.
 
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