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Voting For Obama Keeps Families Away From Each Other For Thanksgiving

roguenuke said:
Who include plenty of people who still do work, including many military members. I guarantee that for at least the 3rd year in a row, my family will be in that bracket of "47%", and that is how long my husband has been active duty Navy. It is also guaranteed that next year we will definitely be in the same situation since the only taxable income my family will earn at all next year will be my reserve weekend and AT pay, which will be maybe $7K. My husband will be in the ME until late next year, if not longer. All of his pay as long as he is there is tax free. We have 2 children, and I go to college. We will have more than enough tax credits to make up for what taxes we would owe on income.

There is nothing that sets us apart, as Americans, from those who do pay taxes on what they earn. We are still Americans. Heck, many military members in the same position as us that I know are Republicans.
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You know this is just ****ing sad as hell. Our military personnel should NOT be making so low a pay grade as to put them in the 47% bracket. They risk thier very lives for this country and get very little compensation for it? Not to mention the PTSD, nightmares, cold sweats and god knows what else our service members have to go through. Its one thing to pay a moderately low pay grade when the service members are sitting at home with never once having set foot in a war zone, quite another to pay them that same wage when they are in the war zone. Any service member that is out in the danger zones for at least 1 full tour should be recieving 5 times what a general sitting at home in the States should be making...particularly one thats never set foot in a war zone....and for the rest of thier lives. (so long as they are not dishonerably discharged that is)
 
MaggieD said:
I'd imagine this is neither the first election nor the last that will be an excuse for dysfunctional families to stay apart on the holidays. I think, though, that Facebook has given many of these people a heads-up and a head-start. Ha!
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Yes, I highly doubt the election caused the problem.

More like the election was just the excuse or the 'straw that broke...'.

Often times, imo, people have a hard time telling someone what they actually do not like about them. So instead they just focus/vent on other things they disagree on.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Because they would easily beat you in a debate using their talking points from Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
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LOL.....right-wing propoganda won't help you win a debate....at least in anyone's view except your own.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You know this is just ****ing sad as hell. Our military personnel should NOT be making so low a pay grade as to put them in the 47% bracket. They risk thier very lives for this country and get very little compensation for it? Not to mention the PTSD, nightmares, cold sweats and god knows what else our service members have to go through. Its one thing to pay a moderately low pay grade when the service members are sitting at home with never once having set foot in a war zone, quite another to pay them that same wage when they are in the war zone. Any service member that is out in the danger zones for at least 1 full tour should be recieving 5 times what a general sitting at home in the States should be making...particularly one thats never set foot in a war zone....and for the rest of thier lives. (so long as they are not dishonerably discharged that is)
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I'm not really complaining about the pay. A good part of why we are in the 47% is that much of our compensation like BAH, a good portion of our medical, dental, and even life insurance isn't taxable. The rest is his base pay, but since the other stuff is paid for (and living in military housing, our utilities are part of our rent which is the BAH), our only bills are phone, cable, internet, car/renter's insurance, car payment, and a couple of small credit cards, and then buying groceries and other essentials. We live pretty comfortably on what we do make, it is just that we don't end up paying taxes on what would otherwise be taxable.

I just don't like that there are some people who automatically consider anyone who is in that 47% as someone who doesn't work or who gives nothing and likely never gave anything and never will to their country. To me, that is a very narrow view and really only describes a very small percentage of that 47%, not anywhere close to the majority. And it makes it worse that they don't even think about the families like mine where one or both of the taxpayers in the family are military and its set up so that we are paying less taxes, through compensation for our duty in general and extra when we are in combat areas. Even many of those others who aren't military very likely gave back in other ways to their country, either in the year they are in the 47% or in previous years, or they may just do so in the future, whether it is through higher taxes or public service of some sort.
 
Born Free said:
Are they really being ignored? You mean you want more entitlements, and free stuff. I think Romney wanted to put them to work, but to many that's a bad thing. Work, I don't don't do that?
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I never said that you can't put them to work, but do write off 47% of the nation
 
roguenuke said:
I'm not really complaining about the pay. A good part of why we are in the 47% is that much of our compensation like BAH, a good portion of our medical, dental, and even life insurance isn't taxable. The rest is his base pay, but since the other stuff is paid for (and living in military housing, our utilities are part of our rent which is the BAH), our only bills are phone, cable, internet, car/renter's insurance, car payment, and a couple of small credit cards, and then buying groceries and other essentials. We live pretty comfortably on what we do make, it is just that we don't end up paying taxes on what would otherwise be taxable.
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Oh I know you can live quite comfortably while in the 47%. And I know you get good bennies. But I still believe that they should pay more to those that put thier lives on the line for this country.

roguenuke said:
I just don't like that there are some people who automatically consider anyone who is in that 47% as someone who doesn't work or who gives nothing and likely never gave anything and never will to their country. To me, that is a very narrow view and really only describes a very small percentage of that 47%, not anywhere close to the majority. And it makes it worse that they don't even think about the families like mine where one or both of the taxpayers in the family are military and its set up so that we are paying less taxes, through compensation for our duty in general and extra when we are in combat areas. Even many of those others who aren't military very likely gave back in other ways to their country, either in the year they are in the 47% or in previous years, or they may just do so in the future, whether it is through higher taxes or public service of some sort.
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I definitately understand this. I'm quite easily in the 47% yet both me and my wife work. Naturally I know lots of people in this catagory and with one exception every single one of them work.
 
MaggieD said:
I'd imagine this is neither the first election nor the last that will be an excuse for dysfunctional families to stay apart on the holidays. I think, though, that Facebook has given many of these people a heads-up and a head-start. Ha!
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It might actually be better of some of these families stayed away from each other.
 
Kal'Stang said:
You know this is just ****ing sad as hell. Our military personnel should NOT be making so low a pay grade as to put them in the 47% bracket. They risk thier very lives for this country and get very little compensation for it? Not to mention the PTSD, nightmares, cold sweats and god knows what else our service members have to go through. Its one thing to pay a moderately low pay grade when the service members are sitting at home with never once having set foot in a war zone, quite another to pay them that same wage when they are in the war zone. Any service member that is out in the danger zones for at least 1 full tour should be recieving 5 times what a general sitting at home in the States should be making...particularly one thats never set foot in a war zone....and for the rest of thier lives. (so long as they are not dishonerably discharged that is)
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Its actually in the the tax code that all military personnel on active duty are exempt from federal income tax.
 
I thought it was just my commrats and billeting that did not get taxed. I think I got taxed on my pay.
Jonsa said:
Its actually in the the tax code that all military personnel on active duty are exempt from federal income tax.
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Jonsa said:
Its actually in the the tax code that all military personnel on active duty are exempt from federal income tax.
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You're going to have to prove this. I've been in 14 years, and I can tell you I have paid taxes (even if I got some of them back some years, particularly after I had my children) at least many of those on my base pay plus a couple of the extra pays I got. My bonus was only not taxed because I reenlisted in a combat zone.
 
Yea, I am pretty sure we were taxed on base pay. Hey I was just out at MCRD early this month, is that where you are stationed?
roguenuke said:
You're going to have to prove this. I've been in 14 years, and I can tell you I have paid taxes (even if I got some of them back some years, particularly after I had my children) at least many of those on my base pay plus a couple of the extra pays I got. My bonus was only not taxed because I reenlisted in a combat zone.
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The good news from this OP is that lives may have been saved. I suspect had more families gotten together, vehicular homicide rates would have gone way up.
 
LOL

I just don't talk about my political views with anyone in my family - my husband only is aware of 1/2 of what I really think.

Because their view won't affect my vote.
 
mak2 said:
Yea, I am pretty sure we were taxed on base pay. Hey I was just out at MCRD early this month, is that where you are stationed?
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I'm actually just in the reserves right now. Got off active at around 10 years in. My husband is active duty and was stationed here, but now has unaccompanied orders in Bahrain. Me and the boys live in the housing right across from MCRD though.
 
joko104 said:
That's what people are supposed to do now. Pick one of two sides and hate the other. It's the Obama way and a majority of people just voted for this to be the new America.
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Joko, that's a spectacularly hypocritical way to have phrased your concern. You bitch about party divisions, then blame it on Obama? Do you honestly not see how ridiculous that is?
 
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