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Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

I'm confused...

I'm under the impression that Republicans are the ones people consider as wanting to abridge people's rights and that Democrats stand up for the privacy and rights of the people. Am I wrong about this? Leahy is a Democrat.

That's the image that Democrats have long tried to put forth; but it has always been false. When examined in detail, it becomes obvious that the “rights”*that Democrats want to protect, tend to be degrading, destructive things, such as sexual immorality, pornography, obscene language, abortion, drug abuse, and so on; while opposing genuine rights such as religious freedom, property rights, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to hold and express controversial opinions and beliefs, and such.

There should be no surprise in finding the Democrat stench all over this proposal; it's exactly consistent with their view on which “rights” are worthy of protection, and which are not.
 
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I really think saying Sen Leahy is pushing to allow warrantless reading of Email by LE is twisting the facts beyond recognition. Other senators are claiming LE needs to act quickly in the case of child abductions, Grassley, a republican and senior GOP committee member, is worried toughening up the requirements will adversely affect LE investigations.

Senator Leahy was at last report leading the effort to tighten the rules up a bit as now LE can open 'old' mail and any they feel doesn't directly affect their investigation after getting an administrative supeona that doesn't require a Judge's signature.

Seems a few are twisting the story to make a democrat look bad, imagine that.... :roll:
 
when will Libs get that they are dangerous to our freedoms..

Libs always know whats best for everyone..get in the bread line and dont make a fuss..
 
I'm confused, I thought conservatives had no problem with this because they always say if you don't have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. That's why they support the Patriot Act.

wow... The Patriot act was about not being able to get warrants since it was to monitor incoming info from unknown sources, so thats impossible to get a warrant for...
 
Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants | Politics and Law - CNET News

Daily Kos: No warrant required for private communications?


Pat Leahy's committee has a bill up for vote soon that apparently was QUIETLY rewritten for govt snoopers to dig through your emails without ANYONE'S knowledge. How do you like your transparent government? I added the Daily Kos link so lefties wouldn't accuse me of a biased article. Apparently Leahy has a history mixed stands on privacy. I suspect that Leahy is a closet peeping-tom. Leahy is a huge asshole btw, which doesn't help either. It'll be interesting to learn how intrusive this law will be. Hopefully it'll get watered down to worthlessness.

Petraeus is going to be pissed when he hears about this.
 
Democrats hate free speech, privacy and the Bill of Rights overall. Both gave Obama his wish of being able to have anyone anywhere including Americans assasinated or secretly imprisoned.

BUT that's what the people want and voted for again. The government reading your emails, and assasinating and secretly imprisoning Americans is "the will of the people."

Not !00% of the people, Joko, only 51%, the other 48.5 were just outvoted on what they wanted- doesn't mean we or I am willing to accept whatever that 51% Wants........or......likes'
 
Methinks they're going to have a hard time getting this past SCOTUS. Warrantless access to Facebook wall posts is one thing (since they're already the internet equivalent of shouting in a room full of people), but email is private, and we've got fourth amendment protections for such things.

They don't have to get it past SCOTUS because it will take anywhere from 10-30 or more years before it is struck down. Personally I think elected officials should be jailed for writing and passing unconstitutional laws and permantly barred from serving in an elected or appointed position.
 
They don't have to get it past SCOTUS because it will take anywhere from 10-30 or more years before it is struck down. Personally I think elected officials should be jailed for writing and passing unconstitutional laws and permantly barred from serving in an elected or appointed position.

While I agree that it may take time to get this (inevitable) case to SCOTUS (though not, probably, 10-30 years) there's a lot of stuff a federal court can do in the meantime to prevent enforcement of such a law (notably TRO's).
 
While I agree that it may take time to get this (inevitable) case to SCOTUS (though not, probably, 10-30 years) there's a lot of stuff a federal court can do in the meantime to prevent enforcement of such a law (notably TRO's).
One would think, unfortunately politicians have been overstepping federal court decisions for a while now to the point that they've almost become irrelevant.
 
I'm confused, I thought conservatives had no problem with this because they always say if you don't have anything to hide, then you have nothing to worry about. That's why they support the Patriot Act.

98 senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 ( Landrieu did not vote. Feingold was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.)
 
98 senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 ( Landrieu did not vote. Feingold was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.)

And most of them didn't even read it. It's sad how easy it is to tear apart the 4th amendment.
 
No relationship exists between Republicans and Democrats. It's the Government vs. The People and I can tell you right now who is winning.

Look at the votes for The Patriot Act and similar legislation and you'll see a distinct lack of party lines. Our owners have long ago used the Constitution as toilet paper and you can expect more and more of this type of legislation. "Vigilance is the price of Freedom".


I'm confused...

I'm under the impression that Republicans are the ones people consider as wanting to abridge people's rights and that Democrats stand up for the privacy and rights of the people. Am I wrong about this? Leahy is a Democrat.
 
No relationship exists between Republicans and Democrats. It's the Government vs. The People and I can tell you right now who is winning.

Look at the votes for The Patriot Act and similar legislation and you'll see a distinct lack of party lines. Our owners have long ago used the Constitution as toilet paper and you can expect more and more of this type of legislation. "Vigilance is the price of Freedom".

Your opinion might have some credence...but it seems we have a Democrat here purporting to stand up for the people...then inexplicably changing his mind.
 
Does anyone else find it ironic that the hippy generation that protested against war, the man, gov't oversight, etc is now getting involved in not only this crap, but legislating what we can eat, drink, etc?
 
Not for one moment have I ever believed that the interest of the owners includes allowing freedom. The whole "freedom" concept has been gone for decades now. 9/11 just sealed the deal and if we had a plebiscite tomorrow, a majority of Americans would welcome constant observation in the interests of their safety.

The only reason this happened as slowly as it did was the lack oif the technology to do so. Before computers, you couldn't read millions of pieces of mail in a matter of seconds. Now, an Orwellian TV that watches you is entirely plausibile and perhaps a decade away.

Next time you're out, count the number of cameras you see mounted on buildings. Privacy is an arcane concept. We can only hope for a relatively benevolent police state at best.


Your opinion might have some credence...but it seems we have a Democrat here purporting to stand up for the people...then inexplicably changing his mind.
 
Does anyone else find it ironic that the hippy generation that protested against war, the man, gov't oversight, etc is now getting involved in not only this crap, but legislating what we can eat, drink, etc?
More like hypocritical.
 
One would think, unfortunately politicians have been overstepping federal court decisions for a while now to the point that they've almost become irrelevant.

Let's work to force the end of Patriot Acts. No one seems to mind them anymore.

Also we would benefit greatly if we could learn to stop all the childish school yard bickering. Stop the partisan crap about who it first and who did it worse. Who ****ing cares?!!!!!!!! Show me who in Washington is working relentlessly to return all these freedoms to Americans. It wasn't a campaign issue for either party. Why? Which party is hell bent to return rights to the people? Neither.

I'm sick and damned tired of hearing blame and finger pointing from partisan to partisan. BOTH parties are working NOT to restore your freedom. You think YOUR party wants to give you more power? LOL! It's bull**** and a lot of y'all are buying into it. It amazes the hell out of me. Neither ruling party is going to restore freedom to the People. Neither is seriously working to do so!
 
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Let's work to force the end of Patriot Acts. No one seems to mind them anymore.

Also we would benefit greatly if we could learn to stop all the childish school yard bickering. Stop the partisan crap about who it first and who did it worse. Who ****ing cares?!!!!!!!! Show me who in Washington is working relentlessly to return all these freedoms to Americans. It wasn't a campaign issue for either party. Why? Which party is hell bent to return rights to the people? Neither.

I'm sick and damned tired of hearing blame and finger pointing from partisan to partisan. BOTH parties are working NOT to restore your freedom. You think YOUR party wants to give you more power? LOL! It's bull**** and a lot of y'all are buying into it. It amazes the hell out of me. Neither ruling party is going to restore freedom to the People. Neither is seriously working to do so!
I joined the Libertarian party the week of the election, I'm not in the "y'all" catagory because of what you are speaking of. LOL!
And I agree, people need to wake up before we have to sign a waiver to leave our houses.
 
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