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Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

I'll help you get started a bit to highlight that "sections" of the Patriot Act are not some magical myth that don't actually exist.

Here's section 802, detailing the new definition for Domestic Terrorist

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.


(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping' and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping';

(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and';

(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and'; and

(4) by adding at the end the following:

`(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

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As to "warrantless wiretapping", I believe yo'ure confusing "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" that was passed and initially allowed Bush to have the NSA doing warrantless wiretaps. Reportedly in 2007 the warrantless action was ended and sent back to the FISA courts. Later, in 2008, FISA itself was amended to loosen restrictions in terms of that kind of survelliance. So that's an issue that isn't PATRIOT's problem.

Now, perhaps you're mixing up some of the other provisions of Patriot itself with warrantless wiretapping. Perhaps the "roving wiretaps" that had people upset. I'll help you with that too, here's section 206

SEC. 206. ROVING SURVEILLANCE AUTHORITY UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE ACT OF 1978.


Section 105(c)(2)(B) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1805(c)(2)(B)) is amended by inserting `, or in circumstances where the Court finds that the actions of the target of the application may have the effect of thwarting the identification of a specified person, such other persons,' after `specified person'.

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That's the one that allows them to essentially get a warrant on a person, rather than a specific phone, for wiretapping purposes. It still requires a warrant to place the initial taps on phones, but the issue people (rightfully) have is that some of those phones are ones routinely used by others outside of the person that caused the warrant to be issued.

There, I've given you some head starts here in trying to find the sections backing up your assertions. You can take it from here and find yourself some actual evidence to back up your claims now that I've shown you that, yes, the Patriot Act does include actual sections people can reference.
 
You being unable to back up your own ridiculous claims is not "my point being moot", it's you trying to retreat because you got caught spewing typical doomsayer rhetoric that was baseless as usual.

You stated "In theory the Patriot Act would allow government to microchip individuals". Nothing about a generic "allows the government to circumvent the Bill of Rights" but SPECIFICALLY that in theory it would allow the government to microchip people.

Provide the portions of the bill that "in theory" allow for that or admit your statement was nothing but hyperbolic conspiracy bs that had zero basis in fact.



Again, if that is all true then provide the sections of the Patriot Act that you claim give them this power.

Sinmply saying "IT DOES THIS!" without any evidence or fact, what so ever, is a laughable argument.

Allow me to help.

The Defense Authorization Act goes way, way beyond the Patriot Act to allow anyone to be locked up indefinitely without trial just on suspicion of being involved in terrorism. It is the latest of a series of threats to individual liberty that the populace has simply ignored.

“President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” said Anthony D. Romero, ACLU executive director. “The statute is particularly dangerous because it has no temporal or geographic limitations, and can be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield. The ACLU will fight worldwide detention authority wherever we can, be it in court, in Congress, or internationally.”
 
In theory they could and they probably do.

You can bet your ass anyone who is released from GETMO has a microchip implant.

It's only a matter of time before "common criminals" are chipped... Of course no one will have a problem with that, well not until they want to chip you but by then it will be too late.

Ahh. Self-contradicting rants about conspiracy theories it is. Ok.
 
Allow me to help.

The Defense Authorization Act goes way, way beyond the Patriot Act to allow anyone to be locked up indefinitely without trial just on suspicion of being involved in terrorism. It is the latest of a series of threats to individual liberty that the populace has simply ignored.
... but end production of Twinkies and people are right on top of that.
 
... but end production of Twinkies and people are right on top of that.

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Cool, will they ping me if anything interesting comes up? I rarely read my email, glad to hear it won't go totally to waste.
 
Ahh. Self-contradicting rants about conspiracy theories it is. Ok.

Yeah, that's what they all say.... That's what they said two years ago when I claimed they were going to tax the hell out of junk food by using "healthcare costs" under Obamacare for a reason...

Former Treasury Sec.: Get Ready for Taxes & Regulations on Junk Food | Video | TheBlaze.com

“I think there is no question that the way Americans eat and what Americans weigh is a big contributor to health problems and it’s a big contributor to health costs,” - Larry Summers, former United States Secretary of the Treasury and Director of the White House United States National Economic Council

“It’s not the agenda now, but I think at some point you’re going to see tax measures and regulatory measures that are going to be directed at helping people be healthier"




Do you understand what that means?

It means government will regulate and define your diet and anything else these authoritarian nuts deem to be a "health risk." You think there are no jobs now?? yeah wait until you're paying 7 dollars for a McDonalds double cheeseburger - when that happens you can say bye-bye McDonalds and all those employees McDonalds directly and indirectly employs.. That's not to mention all the other alleged "junk food" manufactures out there....

[J]ust as we have over time done things with respect to tobacco that are very constructive and that are saving hundreds of thousands of people’s lives, that kind of agenda is going to come to other aspects of public health, including the way people eat.

2 years ago when Obamacare was being championed I said the aforementioned was exactly what government wanted and every progressive called me a "kook" that needed to put his tinfoil hat back on but here you go - progressives spewing their agenda with pride - the same agenda I warned people about 2 years ago.

Now if I were you, I would look at what authority these ideas and pieces of legislation give government and not what securities they give you....

So don't even attempt to label me a kook....
 
Yeah, that's what they all say.... That's what they said two years ago when I claimed they were going to tax the hell out of junk food by using "healthcare costs" under Obamacare for a reason...

Former Treasury Sec.: Get Ready for Taxes & Regulations on Junk Food | Video | TheBlaze.com



Do you understand what that means?

It means government will regulate and define your diet and anything else these authoritarian nuts deem to be a "health risk." You think there are no jobs now?? yeah wait until you're paying 7 dollars for a McDonalds double cheeseburger - when that happens you can say bye-bye McDonalds and all those employees McDonalds directly and indirectly employs.. That's not to mention all the other alleged "junk food" manufactures out there....



2 years ago when Obamacare was being championed I said the aforementioned was exactly what government wanted and every progressive called me a "kook" that needed to put his tinfoil hat back on but here you go - progressives spewing their agenda with pride - the same agenda I warned people about 2 years ago.

Now if I were you, I would look at what authority these ideas and pieces of legislation give government and not what securities they give you....

So don't even attempt to label me a kook....

Are you a cook?;)
 
Are you a cook?;)

Actually I am a cook. However I believe people should really understand what they're buying with Obamacare (or rather not buying but exchanging liberties for.)

Nothing is free.....

If the government controls your healthcare and decides what's best for your health - what cant they control? The government in essence has the authority to tax and regulate businesses out of business citing "healthcare costs" and that in turn allows them to dictate industry hence economy.... It's a goddamn Trojan Horse - that was the whole damn point in the first place.

Why would Larry Summers "former United States Secretary of the Treasury and Director of the White House United States National Economic Council" say what he said? It clearly shows he has an agenda - not to mention, it's not to federal governments position to be imposing such taxes...... Typical progressive errrrrrrrrrr Fabian he is....
 
Actually I am a cook. However I believe people should really understand what they're buying with Obamacare (or rather not buying but exchanging liberties for.)

Nothing is free.....

If the government controls your healthcare and decides what's best for your health - what cant they control? The government in essence has the authority to tax and regulate businesses out of business citing "healthcare costs" and that in turn allows them to dictate industry hence economy.... It's a goddamn Trojan Horse - that was the whole damn point in the first place.

Why would Larry Summers "former United States Secretary of the Treasury and Director of the White House United States National Economic Council" say what he said? It clearly shows he has an agenda - not to mention, it's not to federal governments position to be imposing such taxes...... Typical progressive errrrrrrrrrr Fabian he is....

Is that why in France, and other European countries, the government gets to decide what the people can eat?

I'd be far more worried about such things as asset forfeiture, indefinite detention without trial, and the Patriot Act than about universal health care.
 
Is that why in France, and other European countries, the government gets to decide what the people can eat?

I'd be far more worried about such things as asset forfeiture, indefinite detention without trial, and the Patriot Act than about universal health care.

I'm not concerned about France (I'm not French) - they need to do the whole revolution thing all over again.... What is the difference between the Theocratic or Monarchy or modern democratic socialist government??

I don't believe many understand the definition of liberalism.

As far as I'm concerned socialists can eat grass like the cattle they are (hell they do in North Korea)....
 
I'm not concerned about France (I'm not French) - they need to do the whole revolution thing all over again.... What is the difference between the Theocratic or Monarchy or modern democratic socialist government??

There are a lot of difference between the three. A benevolent Monarchy (dictatorship) is the most efficient form of government, unfortunately, "benevolent" and "Monarchy" has proven to be an oxymoron throughout history. So like the other two, it depends upon humans acting idealistically, which the vast majority have proven is not possible in large human societies.


I don't believe many understand the definition of liberalism.

The strict definition, probably not. However, just like other words, high-tech, hacker, gay, etc., It's usage and understanding of it has be preempted by groups misusing it and we are stuck dealing with the "common" knowledge definition instead. Modern liberals are indeed not truly liberals, however that is the name we have for them as they won't recognize that their socio-economic philosophies are actually modified-socialism and they never created an actual name for themselves, just stole one they thought would make them sound good.

As far as I'm concerned socialists can eat grass like the cattle they are (hell they do in North Korea)....

Amen brother.
 
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