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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Because ... you say so?

Because that is how they work.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co


Would you mind elaborating?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

You are right, the reason healthcare is even in the workplace is because it was meant as additional compensation beyond wages. It's a negotiated benefit, as I understand it. That will have to be mitigated, maybe it can be phased out or split. It is considered part of any compensation package, even outside of unions. But it is still worthwhile to pursue this to reduce the burden on business owners. Further, relieving them of human, and in the case of large corporations, technological costs of administrating their employee's health benefits, would be be a win for them.

Phasing it out or splitting it is not really an option. Most Unions are not going to give up any of that compensation. If they don't get it that way, they're going to expect to get it somewhere else.... In the hourly wage, vacation time, or as a yearly bonus of some sort. If my math is correct (and it may not be), I could get a roughly 10% raise from not paying the premium taken out of my check and getting the money the company pays on the premium. Of course I'd have to then pay for my own health insurance, but that's secondary to the main point of this discussion.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Well, they heartily disagree with you. They have to wait months on end for badly-needed procedures you can get in the U.S. tomorrow.

In British Columbia, they have only five MRI machines. In fact, Pittsburgh, PA, has more MRI machines than all of Canada.

MRI Scans: Waiting for Public Health Care vs. Paying for a Private MRI Clinic | bcliving
Your point actually serves dual purposes. One, it points out the starkness of the Canadian system, which certainly could use some improvement, no doubt.

But, on the flip side, it also points out the extravagance of the American system and demonstrates a piece of the puzzle as to why American health care is so expensive.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Phasing it out or splitting it is not really an option. Most Unions are not going to give up any of that compensation. If they don't get it that way, they're going to expect to get it somewhere else.... In the hourly wage, vacation time, or as a yearly bonus of some sort. If my math is correct (and it may not be), I could get a roughly 10% raise from not paying the premium taken out of my check and getting the money the company pays on the premium. Of course I'd have to then pay for my own health insurance, but that's secondary to the main point of this discussion.

It's a negotiated benefit. Of course they shouldn't just give it up, no one should. It's been considered part of my compensation. The entire cost will not immediately be relieved, but right off, no more administration of it and since healthcare costs have been rising year after year, in a few years it can be extrapolated that companies will feel the full burden dissipate.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

It's a negotiated benefit. Of course they shouldn't just give it up, no one should. It's been considered part of my compensation. The entire cost will not immediately be relieved, but right off, no more administration of it and since healthcare costs have been rising year after year, in a few years it can be extrapolated that companies will feel the full burden dissipate.

They will feel a LESSENING of the burden, but for most larger companies they're not going to reduce their HR staff all that much over this, and the added costs in terms of raises, bonuses, etc.... created by the increased base pay of the employees will probably reduce those savings more than marginally. There IS a savings from going to this type of system, but I don't really believe it's as massive as many people want to believe.

As for not giving it up.... Non-Union employees really don't get an option on that. The company can take away the healthcare premium and is under no compulsion to return anything other than their own premium payments to the individual employee.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

FYI t o all.

Dennys can easly afford the ACA.

looking at DENN 10-k filings from most recient Qtr.

Looking at the 206 company owned stores, employing about 9270 people.

They will pay a fine of $18,480,000 to dump every one. (this is good for employees btw- they just go to an exchange for cheaper insurance)

They have profits of $51,040,000 on these stores.

Profits will now be $32,560,000 year. Dont like it. Move to China DENN!
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

FYI t o all.

Dennys can easly afford the ACA.

looking at DENN 10-k filings from most recient Qtr.

Looking at the 206 company owned stores, employing about 9270 people.

They will pay a fine of $18,480,000 to dump every one. (this is good for employees btw- they just go to an exchange for cheaper insurance)

They have profits of $51,040,000 on these stores.

Profits will now be $32,560,000 year. Dont like it. Move to China DENN!

The story is about John Metz from Florida. He independently owns and operates 40 restaurants. He is cutting employees. He is adding on the tax. This isn't Denny's doings.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I bet this really motivates his employees.....
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

If you read both the definition I submitted as well as listen to the comments from many prominent Republicans, you will see that they identify substantitive and real differences between the traditional venture capitalist and the far more predatory vulture capitalist.

I opted to use it because it was an apt fit.
Yes. Like I said.
By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.
 
Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with cost..

FYI t o all.

Dennys can easly afford the ACA.

looking at DENN 10-k filings from most recient Qtr.

Looking at the 206 company owned stores, employing about 9270 people.

They will pay a fine of $18,480,000 to dump every one. (this is good for employees btw- they just go to an exchange for cheaper insurance)

They have profits of $51,040,000 on these stores.

Profits will now be $32,560,000 year. Dont like it. Move to China DENN!

What makes you think you have a right to dictate what those profits are an by what logic do you assert an EMPLOYER must provide healthcare for employees?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Well, they heartily disagree with you. They have to wait months on end for badly-needed procedures you can get in the U.S. tomorrow.

In British Columbia, they have only five MRI machines. In fact, Pittsburgh, PA, has more MRI machines than all of Canada.

MRI Scans: Waiting for Public Health Care vs. Paying for a Private MRI Clinic | bcliving

From your link:

Canada has one of the lowest rates of MRI scanning machines per capita in the developed world, with six MRI scanners per million people, compared to 40.1 in Japan, 14.4 in Switzerland and 26.6 in the United States. Pittsburgh alone has more MRI machines than all of Canada.

26.6 per million, let's see... I've had two MRI scans in my life, 70 years. It takes maybe half an hour to get one, counting getting ready and getting on the machine. One MRI, then, working, say 20 hours per day, could do 40 patients a day, 14,600 in a year, or 146,000 per decade. In seven decades, one machine could do 1,022,000. 26.6 per million could do over 27 MRI scans per person. How many are really needed at any one time?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

BS!
Eliminate the ER mandate.
[highlight]Hell you could greatly reduce cost by limiting the function ER now serves.[/highlight]
That is one way to take care of it
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There you go, just turn people away from the ER and let them get well or die. We'd save a few bucks, that way, but still have the most expensive healthcare system on Earth. We'd also be giving natural selection a helping hand and thus strengthen the herd.
There is two options there, way to miss the second. :doh

Secondly, it is absurd to force people to provide their labor for others.
It should be voluntary or none at all.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Said the man on tricare.

:) Believe me, you do not want to go there. Unless you want a rant about "government healthcare" from someone who has experienced it.



But I like how your response to the point that business owners face additional burdens under Obamacare was to try to somehow ad hominem the messenger by saying he has health insurance. Awesome refutation, there.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Dont like it. Move to China DENN!

I love how this is the attitude of the same people who would castigate them for making that very move.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Your point actually serves dual purposes. One, it points out the starkness of the Canadian system, which certainly could use some improvement, no doubt.

But, on the flip side, it also points out the extravagance of the American system and demonstrates a piece of the puzzle as to why American health care is so expensive.

Nice. Access to testing and healthcare is "extravagance".

Americans also have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians, better access to preventative care than Canadians, spend less time waiting to see a specialist than Canadians, and are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. At what point does this become extravagance?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Because ... you say so?
Nah its just basic human rights. You know... don't force me to work for you on your terms at the point of a gun. That's the extreme case of course, the corollary is don't force me to wear red on Tuesdays or don't force me to buy health insurance at the point of a gun. You know positive rights as opposed to taking something like life or liberty (ie. kidnapping or murder) which is what a government is supposed to be doing, protecting your life and liberty from others who want to take it.

I know, I know... "Nobody is pointing a gun at you to buy insurance!" but that is the eventuality. if you don't buy then you have to pay if you don't pay you can be imprisoned, the guys who come to put you in prison bring guns...
 
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Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The employees created it. So it is there business. What is your business in denying millions healthcare?
Who said anything about denying healthcare? Go get some. Walk right in and pony up your hard earned dollars and you have access to the best healthcare in the world. Who is stopping you?

I want to know why you would deny me a new Ferrari? I demand it!
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Nice. Access to testing and healthcare is "extravagance".

Americans also have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians, better access to preventative care than Canadians, spend less time waiting to see a specialist than Canadians, and are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians. At what point does this become extravagance?
Is that all you allowed yourself to see? Really?

As someone who is sharing the high cost of healthcare (as are all of us), it might be wise to consider how many MRI machines are really needed in a given area. How many MRIs are done in the Pittsburgh area? Enough that there's always a line? Or, do many go sitting idle?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Dont like it. Move to China DENN!
This is lost on me, I don't get it. Why would good hardworking capitalists want to move to a communist country?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Is that all you allowed yourself to see? Really?

As someone who is sharing the high cost of healthcare (as are all of us), it might be wise to consider how many MRI machines are really needed in a given area. How many MRIs are done in the Pittsburgh area? Enough that there's always a line? Or, do many go sitting idle?
They are just proving the point. The government will bring us long unbearable lines for everything MRI's is a good example, be sure to schedule that next head injury, because your MRI spot by that math is 6 years, 2 days and 40 minutes from now.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

Is that all you allowed yourself to see? Really?

Allowed myself to see? I've spent 7 years with Tricare now. Unless all your ailments can be magically cured by Motrin, government medicine sucks.

As someone who is sharing the high cost of healthcare (as are all of us), it might be wise to consider how many MRI machines are really needed in a given area. How many MRIs are done in the Pittsburgh area? Enough that there's always a line? Or, do many go sitting idle?

There should be as many as is necessary to fill demand at the price people are willing to pay. Command and Control economies - as you are suggesting we engage in - rarely have beneficial results for those unfortunate enough to live under them.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Yes. Like I said.
By definition, it is derogatory slang for a Venture Capitalist. Which I am sure you know, which would be why you chose to use it.

Like I said, I used it because it was an apt fit.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Like I said, I used it because it was an apt fit.
Dance, dance, dance. :doh

You held out that they were two different things. As shown, they are not.
You purposely used derogatory slang and then denied it meant what it did.


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Dance, dance, dance.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

In zee teeth. No free lunch boxes.

Parasite Nation comes with costs... fewer jobs... hidden taxes... everywhere.

But it's freeeeeeeeeee! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wrong numb nuts. It's Aints free.


What a bunch of whining sore losers Republicans have turned out to be. Never learning their lesson and still blaming other people for their miserable defeat on November 6th, 2012. I created an OP long before the election that told you Romney, was going to lose and that Obama, was going to win bigger than what Republicans were lead to believe by the fictional story telling blow-hards at Phoocks Snoooze and Right Wing extremists like Rush Limbaugh - all of which made the conscious decision to stick their heads in the sand and pretend as if they actually had the right candidate with the right message, standing on the right policies - none of which were true.

Now, you and Mitt Romney, come up with vein and empty headed excuses for why you lost - including the bizarre assessment that a majority of the country was bought-off and bribed to the polls. What a bunch of lame ducks. You put forth the worst Manchurian Candidate since the Movie's original release who runs around the country attempting to lie his way into the White House, and then you have the temerity to actually be surprised at the fact that he got is rear-end handed to him on election day? Wake Up! This is PRECISELY why the Republican Party is fast approaching the land of irrelevant and moot. You've already lost the White House through 2024. Keep it up and you will begin to lose the Senate through 2028!

Now, who the heck is James Nye? When you post a link to the source of your woefully sad stab at the election results, you should know something about that source, should you not. James Nye, is not a Professional Journalist - not even close. Furthermore, he quotes some guy living in Florida, and who operates a chain of restaurants, to include a few Denny's. Any self respecting "Journalist" would at least get the picture of the restaurant correct.

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This is not a Denny's restaurant in Florida, where this clown lives:

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The restaurant above is located in Emeryville, California:

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The building in the background to the left/center is now shown in the picture used by James Nye. However, it used to be the Corporate Offices of Siebel Systems, and Enterprise Software Technology company that was eventually acquired by the company used to work for, Oracle Corporation. The white building to the extreme right of the picture I posted, is the home of Wells Fargo Bank of Emeryville, California. The parking lot to the right in the picture that I posted, is the parking lot that I have used on many occasions at 5:00am in the morning, in my way to the airport on extended business.

If Mr. John Metz, were not such a darn cheapskate, he would either pay his employees a realistic livable wage so they can purchase their own darn insurance, or he get his lazy fat butt up off the sofa long enough to call Kaiser Permanente, so he could look into one of several Small Business Affordable Insurance plans that they have for clients just like himself. The facts do matter.

If he loses enough business after pulling a dumb stunt like raising the prices on Denny's receipts by 5%, then his bottom line will begin to expose his stupidity and his customers will expose his lack of common sense.

You lost the Presidential election of 2012 Republicans. It is time to get over it. Slamming the door on your own fingers with idiotic gestures and foolish protests, won't re-do the damage you've done to your party by nominating the Emperor With No Clothes as your Presidential Candidate without a clue. You guys have a tremendous amount of serious soul searching to get done and delaying that process with silly gestures like this will only extend your pain.

Heal thyself and thy party, by joining the rest of Middle America - guess where - in the Middle of America, that's where.
 
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