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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

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AdamT said:
No, the unemployment RATE has been falling for three years, no matter how you look at it. The number of unemployed is actually about half the number you quoted, and it is down more than 3 million since October of 2009.
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That's because people have given up looking for employment... Where in the hell have you been?
 
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Wake said:
Imo the problem is that people haven't been living well within their means. There are so many things we buy that we don't actually need...
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In terms of health insurance the system we have is largely the result of government policy.
 
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zimmer said:
In zee teeth. No free lunch boxes.

Parasite Nation comes with costs... fewer jobs... hidden taxes... everywhere.

But it's freeeeeeeeeee! Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wrong numb nuts. It's Aints free.
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Well people can just not go to his Denny's and he can see how much he likes zero dollars.
 
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haymarket said:
What is Parasite Nation?

Who is in it?

Who is not in it?

Who makes the determination?
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Perhaps those who gain by taking from others?
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
No, it issues debt securities to pay for goods and services.



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There is a special specific thread for you to post your self portraits. And yeah...the fed is doing a GREAT job of paying for all that 'free' ****...right?
 
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Dittohead not! said:
There is nothing on Denny's website about this, and the only link I could find led back to the article cited in the OP.
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I heard its a franchise owner decision, not a corporate decision.

Not sure what people are expecting as Health Care kicks in. Companies and franchises owners may not just absorb the cost.
 
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You do not account for the baby boomer aging out and no longer working, you do not account for the under employed. The statistic the government shows you is who gets unemployment benefits. The total number of people working today is less than in 2008. Please look at your beloved left wing fact checkers when Romney stated 23,000,000 people were under or unemployed - they didn't call it a lie and I'm not about to let you misrepresent it either. Here is the government issued facts - no spin - no right wing blog - look at the numbers yourself:
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.compaeu.txt

You will see in the first table the difference between 2008/2011 and gee that haven't published 2012 yet - shocking - guess they can get to that now that obummer is destined for his second round of golf.


AdamT said:
No, the unemployment RATE has been falling for three years, no matter how you look at it. The number of unemployed is actually about half the number you quoted, and it is down more than 3 million since October of 2009.
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Gina said:
We differ on that. No one should die for the inability to pay for healthcare.
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Okay. Why not? If I cannot find a way to provide for my own needs why should anyone else be FORCED to provide them for me? I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't have the right to pay for others IF THEY WANT TO, but I have a major issue with people being FORCED to help anyone other than themselves.
 
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Yes in deed. This is what happened to me and my busienss. People stopped coming, couldn't afford it any more, and my employees got unemployment, so did I after closing, the store is still empty but I understand the homeless squat there so I guess you would find that desirable. The traffic I lost helped two neighboring businesses close, the landlord had the center foreclosed on - guess the bank owns it now. Yes in deed the lefts true colors shining through. I use to pay our government about $60k a year in payroll taxes alone - they get jack now because I get zero dollars. I'm fortunate to have squirreled away enough not to be homeless myself, I prepared for it and am fine. I feel really bad for those who got a year of unemployment and still didn't find work - they could care less about health insurance they just want a pay check.


Ikari said:
Well people can just not go to his Denny's and he can see how much he likes zero dollars.
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CalGun said:
Yes in deed. This is what happened to me and my busienss. People stopped coming, couldn't afford it any more, and my employees got unemployment, so did I after closing, the store is still empty but I understand the homeless squat there so I guess you would find that desirable. The traffic I lost helped two neighboring businesses close, the landlord had the center foreclosed on - guess the bank owns it now. Yes in deed the lefts true colors shining through. I use to pay our government about $60k a year in payroll taxes alone - they get jack now because I get zero dollars. I'm fortunate to have squirreled away enough not to be homeless myself, I prepared for it and am fine. I feel really bad for those who got a year of unemployment and still didn't find work - they could care less about health insurance they just want a pay check.
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Capitalism...it's harsh.

But people pretending that we're all doomed because of Obamacare are outrageous. There are many reasons why our unemployment and our economy are as it is. Mostly due to the Corporate Capitalist system pushed by the Republocrats which destroys free market competition through government enforced law, oversight, and subsidy. Romney wasn't going to fix that. But there are plenty of developed countries (pretty much the entirety of the West sans America) which has some mixture of government and private health insurance, and those guys ain't dead. This is certainly something we could deal with easily, but people like to Jersey Shore the responses and go insane.
 
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Tigger said:
Okay. Why not? If I cannot find a way to provide for my own needs why should anyone else be FORCED to provide them for me? I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't have the right to pay for others IF THEY WANT TO, but I have a major issue with people being FORCED to help anyone other than themselves.
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Because sometimes people, our fellow citizens, fall into circumstances due only to an illness. It wipes out their savings and their home and tears apart their family. How is that good for the health of our country to then put more people on welfare?

Or we could continue to go the route millions do already and follow Romney's model of getting picked up by an ambulance for a ride to the ER and then receiving treatment for which they won't pay?

We can continue to pay more what we could pay less if we just managed it up front.
 
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Federalist said:
Perhaps those who gain by taking from others?
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Like Mitt Romney and vulture capitalists?
 
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Your Star said:
It's sad that the government providing health-care to everyone is the bad guy, and not the guy putting the extra cost onto the people, and the workers.

Though this is an argument for a single payer system as well though.
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Quite right. OP is typical ostrich scare tactics
 
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haymarket said:
Like Mitt Romney and vulture capitalists?
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Without venture capitalists you wouldn't have that machine you're typing on. Nor would you have the energy to power it.
 
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I'm surprised that employers taking such a stance instead don't just reduce employees wages in the amount of $2000 (the buy out price) spread across the year - which equates to about 85 cents an hour? Unless the company isn't more than 85 cents an hour over minimum wage, this would be entirely legal.
 
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We just need to get a proper single payer system already, no point to tie it to employers
 
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hikari said:
We just need to get a proper single payer system already, no point to tie it to employers
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The base problem has always been the same - how to get there from here. The larger we grow population-wise the less possible it will become (the transition).
 
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People will just tip 5% less. No big deal.
 
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haymarket said:
Like Mitt Romney and vulture capitalists?
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Well first off the problem you have with Bain is most likely its Private Equity division and not venture capital. Venture capital is simply funding provided to high risk, new companies. Private Equity is where you see LBO's and such, and if you believe the stories that the media spouted about PE then you're an ignorant fool.
 
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AdamT said:
That is an arbitrary number and in no way contradicts the FACT that unemployment has been falling steadily for three years. And of course U6 unemployment has been falling right along with U3, so the claim that "real" unemployment isn't falling is also bull****.
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No, the number of people that have just up and quit looking has fallen steadily. Such a fantasy world you live in.
 
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hikari said:
We just need to get a proper single payer system already, no point to tie it to employers
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Yeah, that healthcare will just be awesome. Ask Canadians, who come here for anything more than a head cold.
 
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Erod said:
Yeah, that healthcare will just be awesome. Ask Canadians, who come here for anything more than a head cold.
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Good point. Canadians rate their health care system more highly than Americans rate theirs. And of course they have universal coverage and they spend half what we do per capita.
 
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MaggieD said:
One way or another, every tax . . . every expensive regulation . . . is paid by the American consumer. There's no free lunch. Just because the government is raising taxes on "the other guy," don't think for one minute that it doesn't impact every one of us. Business doesn't grow money on trees.
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Absolutely true.

And that 17% of the gdp (and growing) that our current health care costs is costing all of us in one way or another. We can't afford it much longer.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Absolutely true.

And that 17% of the gdp (and growing) that our current health care costs is costing all of us in one way or another. We can't afford it much longer.
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It's really astonishing when you think about it. If our per capita health care costs were just in line with the average of other advanced countries it would free up over 8% of GDP for more productive pursuits. That's an amount of money totaling more than 50% of all federal tax revenue.
 
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AdamT said:
It's really astonishing when you think about it. If our per capita health care costs were just in line with the average of other advanced countries it would free up over 8% of GDP for more productive pursuits. That's an amount of money totaling more than 50% of all federal tax revenue.
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Yep. So too with our defense costs which are way, way higher. The problem is that our gov't's solution to both is SO WHAT. When the status quo is buying plenty of campaign ads (votes) then there is no problem in DC.
 
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