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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

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AdamT said:
Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
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The unemployment rate is still higher today, than it was when Obama took office, and we all know that doesn't even come close to reflecting the real number of people who are unemployed. A real measure of the unemployment situation is the Employment-Population Ratio. It shows that the percent of the eligable American workforce that's employed today, is nearly 2% lower than it was the day Obama took office.

You can blow smoke up everyone asses all you want, but the real numbers don't support your propaganda, and I for one ain't stupid enough to buy into it.
 
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Gina said:
So you prefer to keep employers in the business of purchasing their employees healthcare?

Other countries have an advantage over U.S. companies in that they are not hobbled with that burden.
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I'm not sure that I'm a fan of either option. Personally, I would prefer we got both companies AND the government completely and totally out of the business of providing health insurance and left it up to the individual citizens. Give me the roughly $6500 that my employer and I collectively pay into the system in premiums every year as part of my weekly paycheck and I'll take care of it myself, thank you very much.
 
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Grim17 said:
The unemployment rate is still higher today, than it was when Obama took office
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That is an arbitrary number and in no way contradicts the FACT that unemployment has been falling steadily for three years. And of course U6 unemployment has been falling right along with U3, so the claim that "real" unemployment isn't falling is also bull****.
 
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As I read these stories about aggressively partisan statements made at the expense of working folks, I wonder what the PR blowback will be.

Logically, if you believe the problem is too many people wanting 'free stuff' then don't put people in that position.

The negative PR with the Papa John's guy having pictures of his mega-mansion estate on TV alongside the story of his reluctance to accept an additional 8 million to operating HR costs is hurting the brand.
 
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Henrin said:
I love how you guys just admit this upfront.
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What is there to admit? It couldn't possibly be any clearer that single payer is the way to go. There are more than 30 countries that have single payer and every single one of them achieves much lower costs for similar results. Duh.
 
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VanceMack said:
Of course you dont...because as long as someone else is paying for it and you can be the recipient of the goodies from that 16 trillion dollar (and climbing) debt, you cant see any possible problem with doubling down. As long as you arent responsible for it it isnt 'real' money. Sort of like the health care problem in general...as long as SOMEONE ELSE (not the individual) is stuck with the problem then the solution is aces.

Greece and Spain amongst others might be able to enlighten you on the downside of irresponsibly spending yourself into oblivion.
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That someone else is the US government, so this isn't a problem. The fact that you compare Greece and Spain to the US just plainly shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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AdamT said:
That is an arbitrary number and in no way contradicts the FACT that unemployment has been falling steadily for three years. And of course U6 unemployment has been falling right along with U3, so the claim that "real" unemployment isn't falling is also bull****.
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Falling yes, but barely fast enough to keep up with population growth.

That isn't booming job growth, it's sustaining the level of misery.
 
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AdamT said:
What is there to admit? It couldn't possibly be any clearer that single payer is the way to go. There are more than 30 countries that have single payer and every single one of them achieves much lower costs for similar results. Duh.
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Where does the money for that single payer system come from? Does the government have some magic "Money Tree" that it simply plucks the bills off of to pay for that system? NO, they don't. The money comes from US, the tax paying citizens and businesses in the United States. Therefore, we end up paying for it one way or another. UNLESS we're part of the group in this nation that doesn't really pay taxes because they get it all back at the end of the year, if they even put anything in to begin with.

Honestly, the further and further I look into the policies of the Left I almost wonder if it wouldn't be benificial for me to quit my job and simply live off everyone else. It really seems more and more like that is what the Democrat/Left is rewarding with their policies.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
That someone else is the US government, so this isn't a problem. The fact that you compare Greece and Spain to the US just plainly shows you have no idea what you're talking about.
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That US Government isnt a magic entity with little gnomes sitting under bridges spinning straw into gold. The US Government doesnt generate profit magically...it taxes its citizens to pay for goods and services. The fact that you refuse to look at and learn from governments failing because they spent themselves into oblivion speaks volumes as to why we have the government we have and the direction we are headed.

Comical that you fail to see an ever increasing debt as a bad thing. Well...tragic too...but still...comical.

Weeeee! Someone ELSE is going to pay for my 'free ****'!

No wonder this country is ****ed.
 
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AdamT said:
Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
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It was higher when Obama was reelected than when he was elected.

8% Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

It's going up again too.

Food stamps increased bby 421,000.

Change you can believe in?
Yes.
If you believed it would foment... decay.
 
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AdamT said:
What is there to admit? It couldn't possibly be any clearer that single payer is the way to go. There are more than 30 countries that have single payer and every single one of them achieves much lower costs for similar results. Duh.
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Like I said, nothing but a myth. There is no indication that it lowers cost by its introduction. You are being led to a conclusion based on nothing but a comparison between costs of both systems while not actually looking at the systems themselves. Do such nonsense with things that only yourself will be involved in.
 
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I thought it would be more than that since people now have to be paid to serve on the death panels.
 
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Assuming this is true, business owners ought to do what is necessary to survive drowning in taxation and burgeoning bureaucracy. If the passing of "Obamacare" is so expensive, and the people who voted in favor of it did not foresee the immense strain it would have on businesses, then I see no wrong in business owners doing what they must to, well, survive.
 
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Tigger said:
I'm not sure that I'm a fan of either option. Personally, I would prefer we got both companies AND the government completely and totally out of the business of providing health insurance and left it up to the individual citizens. Give me the roughly $6500 that my employer and I collectively pay into the system in premiums every year as part of my weekly paycheck and I'll take care of it myself, thank you very much.
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Not all Americans would have that option, which is why we are in this mess. Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Not exactly. The number of people getting unemployment benefits has been falling for 3 years but the number of under employed and unemployed has continued to increase and is now at an all time high - 23,000,000 which is why 50,000,000 Americans are now living in poverty. So I have a great idea - lets take money from those people who create jobs and reduce our deficit so we can give a few more people unemployment benefits.


AdamT said:
Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
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Gina said:
Not all Americans would have that option, which is why we are in this mess. Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price.
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We are in this current mess because the government created it over the last 100 years and like always it makes no sense to cover people that are nothing but a net lose.
 
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Henrin said:
We are in this current mess because the government created it over the last 100 years and like always it makes no sense to cover people that are nothing but a net lose.
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Imo the problem is that people haven't been living well within their means. There are so many things we buy that we don't actually need...
 
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zimmer said:
Typical Parasite Nation argument...
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What is Parasite Nation?

Who is in it?

Who is not in it?

Who makes the determination?
 
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Gina said:
Not all Americans would have that option, which is why we are in this mess. Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price
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Which includes me. Though interestingly enough I've never had a problem getting insurance, even when I DID pay for it 100% myself.

Healthcare is NOT a Right; regardless of what you might think, believe, or want it to be. It never has been and never should be.
 
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Henrin said:
We are in this current mess because the government created it over the last 100 years and like always it makes no sense to cover people that are nothing but a net lose.
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No one is a net loss, least of all people who need healthcare.

Hubris such as yours, might come back to bite you. There are millions of people who thought they had it all handled too, who now find themselves in your loss column.
 
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VanceMack said:
it taxes its citizens to pay for goods and services.
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No, it issues debt securities to pay for goods and services.

Weeeee! Someone ELSE is going to pay for my 'free ****'!
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Tigger said:
Which includes me. Though interestingly enough I've never had a problem getting insurance, even when I DID pay for it 100% myself.

Healthcare is NOT a Right; regardless of what you might think, believe, or want it to be. It never has been and never should be.
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I won't doubt your veracity in saying you found coverage, but I have to believe that's a rare occurrence.

We differ on that. No one should die for the inability to pay for healthcare.
 
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CalGun said:
Not exactly. The number of people getting unemployment benefits has been falling for 3 years but the number of under employed and unemployed has continued to increase and is now at an all time high - 23,000,000 which is why 50,000,000 Americans are now living in poverty. So I have a great idea - lets take money from those people who create jobs and reduce our deficit so we can give a few more people unemployment benefits.
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No, the unemployment RATE has been falling for three years, no matter how you look at it. The number of unemployed is actually about half the number you quoted, and it is down more than 3 million since October of 2009.
 
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Green Balls said:
It will be interesting to see the decisions businesses are going to make this year and how it will affect them in the long run. Eventually all the hype over the ACA will be gone. Just like every law that gets passed.
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Possible. I am very wary of ACA, but I will admit that I have witnessed many times in my life where system-changing bills were passed, there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, and nothing even remotely as bad as predicted bad happened.
 
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Gina said:
No one is a net loss, least of all people who need healthcare.
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For the insurance companies that is exactly what they are.

Hubris such as yours, might come back to bite you. There are millions of people who thought they had it all handled too, who now find themselves in your loss column.
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It might, but I'm still right.
 
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