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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Let's look at that....

In this system he has to raise prices to cover the premiums he has to pay for his employee's healthcare.

In a single payer system he has to raise prices to cover the increase in what he has to pay his employees to make up for the additional tax money that's being taken from them to pay for the single-payer system.

EITHER WAY the price of his product has to go UP to cover the costs.

So you prefer to keep employers in the business of purchasing their employees healthcare?

Other countries have an advantage over U.S. companies in that they are not hobbled with that burden.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Ge whiz Wally - maybe there should be NO taxes and NO regulations and NO gubment orders on Denny's of any kind and then they could hire zillions of new employees and everybody would be happy? ;):roll:

Typical Parasite Nation argument... argue for no taxes when that was never close to suggested. Honest debate is not Parasite Nation's strength.

Doh Homer... Perhaps taxes should be greatly reduced to stimulate growth, release investment cash, reduce unemployment and increase government revenue vs. what goes out for once?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Which is why an aspirin costs $20...

Yep, and prices for all other services are correspondingly inflated as well.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

So you prefer to keep employers in the business of purchasing their employees healthcare?

Other countries have an advantage over U.S. companies in that they are not hobbled with that burden.

And just where do you think your beloved government is going to come up with this money?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Which means he is just another disgruntled rich Republican SOB who is mad his taxes are going up.
Move along, nothing to see here.

More like a disgruntled rich Republican SOB who thinks his taxes are going up.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

VanceMack said:
Oh..and for the record...it will NEVER be 'the government providing healthcare'. When (when...because it will happen) we move to Universal Healthcare, everyones taxes are going to go up.

Or they could just fund it how they fund everything else...

People might as well shelve their outrage and upset at employers raising costs.

Employers that pull this kind of crap are doing so for political reasons or because they are assholes, not because Obamacare is increasing costs to force them to do it.

FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I know how the market works, and I know that people not going to their places of business will make them change their tude.

Do you know why people go to certain places of business?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Your Star and Greenballs liked you on this post, but it's idiotic.

Here is why...

Unemployment is high. These people might look, but you think the other restaurants will take them on in this economy. Doh... Noooooooooooo.

And... the others are most likely contemplating their own actions... they'll certainly pass on the costs.

If you know anything about the F&B (Foord & Beverage) business... there is no money in food! Increased costs will be passed on to customers across America.

People will lose jobs and be put on part-time. That is how the game is played. Government makes dumb rules... people makes ways around them.

Do you know anything about restaurant work? Apparently not. There is always rapid turnover -- even now. And of course the economy is improving, so it will only get more competitive.

In any case, there are other elements of ACA that will mitigate the problem. Namely, individuals will be able to buy health insurance much more cheaply through exchanges. This will benefit many of the restaurant workers who are already working part time. Those who wish to work more will get a job at a different restaurant, or perhaps two part time jobs.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co


The point was that employers are going to pay for the care given. Telling me that you want to get it out of the hands of employers and instead put in the government hands doesn't just change how this works.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

And just where do you think your beloved government is going to come up with this money?

Taxes of course. Nothing is free. It's not free now and is horribly expensive because we all pay for the uninsured. I'd prefer to pay more in taxes and have costs driven down because the uninsured are covered and seek less expensive treatment from a GP when at the first sign of illness.

This is not a good model for managing the country's healthcare needs:

"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance," Romney said. "If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."

Yes, in Massachusetts, they have Romneycare, that's how they provide for it.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Or they could just fund it how they fund everything else...



Employers that pull this kind of crap are doing so for political reasons or because they are assholes, not because Obamacare is increasing costs to force them to do it.

FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.

The up side to this is that it will give impetus to single payer, which is the best solution to our health care problems.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Or they could just fund it how they fund everything else...



Employers that pull this kind of crap are doing so for political reasons or because they are assholes, not because Obamacare is increasing costs to force them to do it.

FWIW I find it outrageous that my health should be tied to being employed and think there should be options outside of employer-sponsored plans that are actually realistic. Then again, I support a single payer system.
Fund it by dumping the problem on future generations? Well... frankly thats how they WILL fund it...just like they fund everything else.

I've yet to hear ANYONE ever answer by what rule of law or even stretch of logic the government ought to be able to force employers to be responsible to provide for the health care needs of their employees. As an employer...my job is to provide safe working conditions, adequate training, and to fulfill my payroll requirements.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Yes, in Massachusetts, they have Romneycare, that's how they provide for it.

True, and they have NOT seen a big shift from full time to part time in MA as a result of the law.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

More like a disgruntled rich Republican SOB who thinks his taxes are going up.

Are his taxes not going up?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Taxes of course. Nothing is free. It's not free now and is horribly expensive because we all pay for the uninsured. I'd prefer to pay more in taxes and have costs driven down because the uninsured are covered and seek less expensive treatment from a GP when at the first sign of illness.

This is not a good model for managing the country's healthcare needs:



Yes, in Massachusetts, they have Romneycare, that's how they provide for it.

And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

VanceMack said:
Fund it by dumping the probloem on future generations? Well... frankly thats how they WILL fund it...just like they fund everything else.

I don't think deficit spending is "dumping the problem on future generations". Then again, I don't believe in such a simplistic and, frankly, stupid conception of how the federal budget works.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Do you know anything about restaurant work? Apparently not. There is always rapid turnover -- even now. And of course the economy is improving, so it will only get more competitive.

The economy is not improving. You can stop with the election propaganda. Unemployment has risen. Food stamps increased. Deny reality if you like, but there is no there there.

There is rapid turnover in a good economy... and among the young... and they are most likely to work part-time... and if not now... they surely will after ObamaKare... ROTFLOL...
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The point was that employers are going to pay for the care given. Telling me that you want to get it out of the hands of employers and instead put in the government hands doesn't just change how this works.

I misspoke, I intended to advocate for universal healthcare.

Administrating healthcare plans is a headache for businesses. I've been there, done that in the HR department. Not only does it cost money for the insurance, it costs time for employees to handle it. Get it off their backs.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.

But you get that he he can't use the law as an excuse to both eliminate full time positions AND increase his prices, right? You admit that that is just the owner being a dick to send a political message?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The economy is not an improvement. Unemployment has risen. Food stamps increased. Deny reality if you like, but there is no there there.

There is rapid turnover in a good economy... and among the young... and they are most likely to work part-time... and if not now... they surely will after ObamaKare... ROTFLOL...

Reality is that unemployment has been falling for three years. I know they don't tell you that on Fox News, but it is a fact.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

The up side to this is that it will give impetus to single payer, which is the best solution to our health care problems.

I love how you guys just admit this upfront.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Typical Parasite Nation argument... argue for no taxes when that was never close to suggested. Honest debate is not Parasite Nation's strength.

Doh Homer... Perhaps taxes should be greatly reduced to stimulate growth, release investment cash, reduce unemployment and increase government revenue vs. what goes out for once?

Apparently a sense of humor is not a strength of Right Wing Nation. :roll:;)
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

And just who do you think is going to PAY those taxes? Rich people? LOL, that won't amount to squat.

BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS are going to pay these taxes; hence, why this guy is going to pass along his costs to us and cut his costs.

That what businesses that don't go out of business do.

The poor will get poorer because the price of EVERYTHING is going to go up to cover the costs of healthcare. That will drive the economy into a stupor and unemployment through the ceiling.

The cost is baked in now and in increasing the risk pool, costs of delivering healthcare will be driven down. It is a more efficient way to cover all Americans. Expanding Medicare and adjusting taxes to cover it is has been suggested.

I can't believe pro-business people want to keep a McDonald's in the business of covering their employee's healthcare insurance.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

True, and they have NOT seen a big shift from full time to part time in MA as a result of the law.

I suspect that large businesses have either long since left MA or they get an exemption of some sort. The ACA is driving employers out of healthcare. I understand you see this as a move towards single payer. But folks still have to live in the interim while they wait for the possibility of single payer. Remember, the vast majority of US workers were already covered and most by their employer (that's in decline now).
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I don't think deficit spending is "dumping the problem on future generations". Then again, I don't believe in such a simplistic and, frankly, stupid conception of how the federal budget works.
Of course you dont...because as long as someone else is paying for it and you can be the recipient of the goodies from that 16 trillion dollar (and climbing) debt, you cant see any possible problem with doubling down. As long as you arent responsible for it it isnt 'real' money. Sort of like the health care problem in general...as long as SOMEONE ELSE (not the individual) is stuck with the problem then the solution is aces.

Greece and Spain amongst others might be able to enlighten you on the downside of irresponsibly spending yourself into oblivion.
 
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