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Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours...[W:287/521]

Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Private business has always unabashedly PROMISED to pass down the increasing burden government places on them. It's not a threat, it's a simple law of business. Business is unflinching in explaining how and why costs of doing business are passed down to customers and employees, and that is just how it works.

If a government wants to spitefully criminalize the basic foundational principles of business, then it can do that, but it directly and undeniably destroys the economy of the country in which it does.

Frankly I am laughing inside at how frustrated liberals are becoming that business is holding true to its promise that it will ALWAYS pass down government's bull**** to its customers. The outrage shows how stupid some people are, that, like children, they can be warned about all the consequences of their actions and screw up anyway, and then be baffled and upset that the consequences come down on them exactly as was explained to them.

Economically, liberals are mental infants.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

This is lost on me, I don't get it. Why would good hardworking capitalists want to move to a communist country?

China is good enough for workers.........so it is good enough for the mega rich to live there! (and have all corps there, Stock listings, IP etc) LMAO
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Just because of this we're going to go eat at the Country Club rather than Dennys. :lol:
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal wit

What a ridiculous question.

Not when the statement is made that Americans "are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians."

If that is so, then the Canadians should be champing at the bit to trade their system for one like ours.

How about it, Canadians? Am I wrong? Brits and Aussies feel free to chime in here, too.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Is that what you think you are doing?



You own a quite a few pairs of tap dancing shoes.

Come back to reality dude!



Dancing on your grave now. :mrgreen::lamo

It pretty bad when all you can do is repeat the same discredited and already refuted line over and over and over again while trying to ignore the mountain of evidence which has already proven you dead wrong. ;)

Thats where the grave comes in.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I don't eat garbage from Denny's anyway. Pfffttt...
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

What I articulated has absolutely everything to do with your assertions made.

I can go into the audience if you wish to keep arguing with your own fabrications.

You label others barbaric for not supporting socialized healthcare as if somehow the architects of this plan actually care about you (or anyone else).

Let's see, requiring life saving medical care means you don't care about people? How does that logically flow? If they didn't care about you, they'd let you die. You just argue that by requiring hospitals to not let people die, they actually don't care about people.

How much do tickets to crazyville cost? You clearly paid for several.

I offered a prime example of one of these architects not giving a rats ass about a fellow US citizen and ambassador yet it goes right over your head?

No, you provided your own take on an issue that is far from clear and expected everyone to accept your notion of the story. Try again and with less fail.

There is not one person in our state or federal government that gives a rats ass about you or you're healthcare.

Yeah, that's why they enacted a law that prevents you from dying in the streets. Cuz they don't care about you at all.

How exactly does the corollary of your argument make sense?

If requiring lifesavings healthcare = not caring
Then not requiring and letting you die = caring?

Can you explain that to me?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

If you use that as a justification for government action then there is no limit to government power.

Hospital ER is not government power. Government doesn't tell you how to do it. It merely says that you can't let people die in the streets.

A supposedly 'benevolent despotism' is still despotism. In a free society, the responsibility for ones survival lies with the individual.

Okay. In your world, if a driver is thrown from his car and loses his wallet with his insurance, he can now be denied life savings treatment for reasons entirely out of his control. Since the hospital no longer has to provide life saving healthcare and cannot find his insurance, they can now let him die in the street. Tell me how this is in any way fair to the guy who otherwise was responsible for his own survival.

It's incredibly scary how some people are openly rejecting Reagan and put themselves on the right. Reagan explicitly argued a civil society does not let people die in the streets. Now we are seeing more and more people at least here openly advocated to let people die in the streets.

Those who wish to help 'people dying in the streets' are free to do so. What they are not free to do is compel me to help that person.

Do you work in a hospital ER?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

God, you are just full of whine. You should be able to guess what I want done about the problem which I hinted at earlier in the thread. I don't need to follow your rules of debate OC, and just so you know, if I want to discuss my plan I will and if I want to just blast your entitlement nonsense I will do that. Deal with it.

Oh yes. I forgot. The whole "let them die in the streets homeless" argument again.

I take you think Reagan was a snob who was wrong on everything then?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Oh looky here, we have another one that like putting words in another's mouth.
Words which were not said.
Go figure, huh!

Your inability to use your own logic is not my fault. You presented an argument. I used your logic against you. Now you are upset that your own logic was brought to its conclusion you don't like. Again, not my fault you failed to think through your own argument before you made it.

Seems that very few people here ever took a basic logic or rhetoric class and also expect no one to actually look at the logic presented within their arguments. If you post an argument, expect to have it taken apart and used against you. Failure to think through what you presented is your fault and your fault alone. Don't go with the "putting words in my mouth" when the logic used came from your mouth. Take some responsibility for what you posted. Own your argument. Don't go complaining when it doesn't go your way. That just makes you look incredibly immature.

No matter how you want to try and paint it, a contractual obligation for services rendered, which is what Tri-care is, is Capitalistic, and not Socialized Medicine.

Want to tell me how healthcare run by the government where the doctors are government employees, procedures set by the government in facilities own by the government using equipment owned by the government is capitalistic?

Or do you simply not understand what socialism is?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Moderator's Warning:
Some of you need to seriously tone it down. No more personal comments, stick to the topic.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Oh yes. I forgot. The whole "let them die in the streets homeless" argument again.

I take you think Reagan was a snob who was wrong on everything then?

I don't care about Reagan. If you want to know what I think about your argument you can look at post #258 by Fletch and apply it to me.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Hospital ER is not government power. Government doesn't tell you how to do it. It merely says that you can't let people die in the streets.

The government is compelling the ER to treat people. You might not realize it but that is telling people what to do just so someone else can use their service and labor.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

I've asked this question before on this forum, and on others as well, and never once got a positive answer. I've had several say "no", and some "No (bleep!)ing way", but no yes or even maybe:

Some of the members of this forum live in Canada and other nations that have universal health care. Would any of you trade your health care system for that of the United States?

Anyone... anyone???
What a ridiculous question.
Ridiculous... or inconvenient?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Ridiculous... or inconvenient?


Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...

Single-payer health care, once lauded by President Barack Obama for its ability to keep health care expenditures down by rationing care, has become prohibitively expensive and inefficient in Canada, according to a new study.

A 2011 report by the Fraser Institute concluded that Canada’s health care system is spending at an unsustainable rate. Six of ten Canadian provinces are on track to spend half of their revenues on health care, according to the institute.

“We conclude that Canada’s health system produces rates of growth in health spending that are not sustainable solely through redistributive public financing,” the report concluded.



Read more: Report: Canadian health care spending unsustainable | The Daily Caller
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...

Right wing projections of the demise of social programs generally are much exaggerated.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Just because of this we're going to go eat at the Country Club rather than Dennys. :lol:

It was quite delicious.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Not all Americans would have that option, which is why we are in this mess. Further, without Obamacare, people with pre-existing conditions would not be able to buy insurance at any price.
Not true, there are plenty of companies that issue high risk plans and the scope of cost is anywhere from 5% more to higher. I know as I was looking into carrying a few high risk companies when I sold. Group policies already had to include the entire full time staff so that was another route. Now insurance is more expensive and as of last number roll out less people had it.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Hospital ER is not government power. Government doesn't tell you how to do it. It merely says that you can't let people die in the streets.



Okay. In your world, if a driver is thrown from his car and loses his wallet with his insurance, he can now be denied life savings treatment for reasons entirely out of his control. Since the hospital no longer has to provide life saving healthcare and cannot find his insurance, they can now let him die in the street. Tell me how this is in any way fair to the guy who otherwise was responsible for his own survival.

It's incredibly scary how some people are openly rejecting Reagan and put themselves on the right. Reagan explicitly argued a civil society does not let people die in the streets. Now we are seeing more and more people at least here openly advocated to let people die in the streets.
Well, it was mighty nice of Reagan to demand that one party provide a service to a second party regardless of that second partys ability to compensate them for their efforts. But that is not how a free society operates. My point was simply that it is not the doctors obligation to treat me any more than it is the grocers obligation to feed me, the carpeters obligation to build me a home, the tailors obligation to cloth me, or the teachers obligation to teach me. Each of those are services rendered by other free and independent individuals who have taken the time to learn a skill I lack yet make it available to me in ezxchange for something of equal value. I have no "right" to their services no matter what a big hearted politician may think or feel to the contrary.



Do you work in a hospital ER?
No. But that doesnt preclude me from speaking out in defense of the individual against the power of the state. That is, after all, what is really at issue here when you strip away all the emotionalism.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Not true, there are plenty of companies that issue high risk plans and the scope of cost is anywhere from 5% more to higher. I know as I was looking into carrying a few high risk companies when I sold. Group policies already had to include the entire full time staff so that was another route. Now insurance is more expensive and as of last number roll out less people had it.

Can you provide some links to high risk plans charging just 5% more than regular premiums, or anything even close? I doubt it.
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Ridiculous....Canada's Single payer system is in deep trouble with up coming baby boomers hitting the system. They are starting to move back toward a more market based system from what I have heard...

Our multiple payer system is in deep trouble as well, and far more expensive than is Canada's system. But, the issue was satisfaction (relative that is). Who are the Canadians who would trade their system for one like ours?
 
What we really need to do is to provide a catastrophic care package that applies to everyone. That way, no one would actually need health insurance. The patient woulld have an incentive to shop around and to cut costs, as he'd be the one paying the bills. Employers would have no need to play games with hours and so on to avoid the exorbitant costs of health insurance.

If the cost of said package, and if the deductible, were to be lower for people who keep themselves physically fit, then we'd all have an incentive to take better care of ourselves.

Further, the people who overburden the system would be paying the most for it.

Here are some interesting stats on the cost of health care, and at least one big reason for it:
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Preventable illness makes up approximately 80% of the burden of illness and 90% of all healthcare costs.[/SIZE][/FONT]


  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Preventable illnesses account for eight of the nine leading categories of death.[/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=-1]
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  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The United States spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation in the world and yet, in many respects, it's citizens are not the healthiest. (2)[/SIZE][/FONT]

  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]More than one-quarter of children without health insurance coverage had no usual source of health care in 1997, compared with 4 percent of children with health insurance. (4)[/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Uninsured children were nearly three times as likely as those with health insurance to be without a recent doctor's visit in 1997. (4)[/FONT]


  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]The US healthcare system is the most expensive of systems, outstripping by over half again the health care expenditures of any other country. (2) [/SIZE][/FONT]

90% of all health care costs from preventable illnesses is a good reason to incentivise good health practices, don't you think?
 
Re: Denny's to charge 5% 'Obamacare surcharge' and cut employee hours to deal with co

Well, it was mighty nice of Reagan to demand that one party provide a service to a second party regardless of that second partys ability to compensate them for their efforts. But that is not how a free society operates. My point was simply that it is not the doctors obligation to treat me any more than it is the grocers obligation to feed me, the carpeters obligation to build me a home, the tailors obligation to cloth me, or the teachers obligation to teach me. Each of those are services rendered by other free and independent individuals who have taken the time to learn a skill I lack yet make it available to me in ezxchange for something of equal value. I have no "right" to their services no matter what a big hearted politician may think or feel to the contrary.

Why are you in the US if you feel this way? Wouldn't Somalia be a better place for you? Of course there is no right. But as a society we feel, well, not you, that we should not leave people to die in the streets. You clearly feel that is an acceptable or even good way of running society. A civilized society outside of your view, does not simply let people die because of bad luck. Furthermore, in my example, the patient actually is entitled to life saving treatment as he paid for insurance. But under your framework, because his wallet was lost, the hospital can freely let him die in the street.

No. But that doesnt preclude me from speaking out in defense of the individual against the power of the state. That is, after all, what is really at issue here when you strip away all the emotionalism.

But you seem to have a problem with any form of power of the state. So much so that you advocate for letting people die in the streets simply because they don't have their insurance cards on them.
 
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