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Focus on Petraeus and Taxes as Obama Faces Reporters

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No stawman here, just reading what you are saying, and restating it without the vague double speak.

I am well aware of how a bill works, and from what America saw in the last term, they saw bill after bill passed in the house that would have helped, be thwarted by Reid, like an Obama lap dog, whether it would have helped America or not.

Where is a budget?

This is all about ramming the progressive agenda down America's throat. And to that I say stand your ground. We will not sacrifice principles just to give more power over to demo's, and that is not what America voted for. Remember they increased the number of repubs in the house.

I say if you want to go back to Clinton era policies, and taxes, at this point go right the hell ahead! Just be sure to scope out the programs that progressives love, that they will also lose because of that....

The very definition of a strawman is what you're putting up. I've not even taken a side here. Unlike some people, I don't need a political party to tell me what to think.

Not once did I say anything about Clinton era policies. All I've said so far is that I'm not confident that Boehner has the political capital to spend here. At least not enough to win this battle when Obama has nothing to lose. Boehner's the one who has to run in 2 years. Obama doesn't ever have to run for anything ever again.

So whatever you want to say about "ramming a progressive agenda" the question is who wins if we go over the cliff. If you think Boehner win, fine. I doubt it. I'm certain that you'll think he wins no matter what. But thanks for letting us know that Republicans winning a stupid power play means more to you anything else. It says a lot.
 
Heres the trascript:

Transcript of President Obama?s Press Conference - NYTimes.com



So hes open to new idea so long as those new ideas are either of his two options.


Sucks for you. We libs have been on the losing end of the "compromise" stick for the last four years where the GOP was the party of "No Compromise" and record breaking numbers of filibusters to show it. And because of that, you guys lost.

Elections have consequences.
 
If you collect enough money to pay for what you spend, there is no debt. Now, you're being silly, so not sure you're really looking for a real answer. But, we taxed at a higher rate then, spend more on services then, and did better as a country in nearly every area. You whine silly, but it won't change history.

You start your response with an "If" that isn't there. If BHO had passed a budget, "If" spending had been cut to reflect income, "If" the country hadn't become dependent on social programs, "If" America wasn't populated by the perpetually adolescent, then perhaps America could achieve solvency. But they can't and they won't. We are watching an incredible piece of history, the decline of America, taking place over a remarkably brief historical period.
 
You start your response with an "If" that isn't there. If BHO had passed a budget, "If" spending had been cut to reflect income, "If" the country hadn't become dependent on social programs, "If" America wasn't populated by the perpetually adolescent, then perhaps America could achieve solvency. But they can't and they won't. We are watching an incredible piece of history, the decline of America, taking place over a remarkably brief historical period.

And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

Pour yourself another glass and drink up.

:coffeepap
 
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The very definition of a strawman is what you're putting up. I've not even taken a side here. Unlike some people, I don't need a political party to tell me what to think.

Not once did I say anything about Clinton era policies. All I've said so far is that I'm not confident that Boehner has the political capital to spend here. At least not enough to win this battle when Obama has nothing to lose. Boehner's the one who has to run in 2 years. Obama doesn't ever have to run for anything ever again.

So whatever you want to say about "ramming a progressive agenda" the question is who wins if we go over the cliff. If you think Boehner win, fine. I doubt it. I'm certain that you'll think he wins no matter what. But thanks for letting us know that Republicans winning a stupid power play means more to you anything else. It says a lot.


And you approach this thread as if there aren't thousands of words through out the board from liberals talking about how it isn't so bad to return to Clinton era rates and policies .... You want to suspend all of that because you know that although America voted back in the pretend dictator, they also effectively didn't change a damned thing when it comes to the hurdles in his way to get what he wants....See, I think that mean that America wants him to compromise his positions, and work with the opposition in a real way, not just with lip service, and demonization, and blame.
 
And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

Pour yourself another glass and drink up.

:coffeepap


Oh so that's it Joe? That is all liberals want is for conservatives to say that we both have a role in where we are as we fall to our collective demise? Bull ****. Your guy in office, your guy that YOU voted for, now own it.
 
And you approach this thread as if there aren't thousands of words through out the board from liberals talking about how it isn't so bad to return to Clinton era rates and policies .... You want to suspend all of that because you know that although America voted back in the pretend dictator, they also effectively didn't change a damned thing when it comes to the hurdles in his way to get what he wants....See, I think that mean that America wants him to compromise his positions, and work with the opposition in a real way, not just with lip service, and demonization, and blame.

It's kind of funny how you quote my posts, then proceed to talk about everything I didn't say.
 
Oh so that's it Joe? That is all liberals want is for conservatives to say that we both have a role in where we are as we fall to our collective demise? Bull ****. Your guy in office, your guy that YOU voted for, now own it.

First off, we're not in demise. Secondly, both parties have added to the debt. Third, the private sector is perhaps more responsible (though not alone) for much of our problems today. Anyone, from either party, who is tries to blame one person, one party, is either ignorant of what has happened during our our history, or is so partisan as to willing suspend disbelief while drinking the koolaid down as if he or she was dying of thirst.
 
And you believe only one party? One person is responsible for this?

Pour yourself another glass and drink up.

:coffeepap

You did use the quote system this time and still managed to put up a response completely unrelated to what it said. You're hopeless.
 
First off, we're not in demise.

Really? You think the $16,000,000,000,000 debt will somehow be paid plus the $60,000,000,000,000 necessary for future obligations will be met? Where will this money come from?
Secondly, both parties have added to the debt.

No doubt, and that's not being denied. When George Bush raised the debt his popularity shrunk to the 20's. That should have been the same with Obama.
Third, the private sector is perhaps more responsible (though not alone) for much of our problems today.

How so? The private sector is struggling or leaving the country. It's the bureaucracy, public employees, and the politicians who are doing well.

Anyone, from either party, who is tries to blame one person, one party, is either ignorant of what has happened during our our history, or is so partisan as to willing suspend disbelief while drinking the koolaid down as if he or she was dying of thirst.

Who is doing that? But with Obama we have a dismal record and the majority of Americans voted for the same dismal record and more of the same, and this time Obama need not fear of re-election. He will indeed be "more flexible", both domestically as well as with his foreign policies.
 
Really? You think the $16,000,000,000,000 debt will somehow be paid plus the $60,000,000,000,000 necessary for future obligations will be met? Where will this money come from?


No doubt, and that's not being denied. When George Bush raised the debt his popularity shrunk to the 20's. That should have been the same with Obama.


How so? The private sector is struggling or leaving the country. It's the bureaucracy, public employees, and the politicians who are doing well.



Who is doing that? But with Obama we have a dismal record and the majority of Americans voted for the same dismal record and more of the same, and this time Obama need not fear of re-election. He will indeed be "more flexible", both domestically as well as with his foreign policies.

Owing a lot of money is not demise. And you can't pay it back faster either. So, you stop the bleeding and start paying down like anyone would do. You do this by raising taxes and cutting spending.

Now, th peri ate sector bet on failure and therefore helped create the mess. They did this world wide and are responsible for problems here and abroad. As for leaving, you can appease them enough to stay, not really. Sure, we can eliminate all taxes for them, but they'll still leave. We need to work for pennies. So, you may praise their bottomland as they leave, but they hurt the country and contribute to problems we face.

Presidents don't control this. What influence they have is minimal. So to be whining about the record as if he did, is, as I said is ignorant or wildly partisan.
 
You did use the quote system this time and still managed to put up a response completely unrelated to what it said. You're hopeless.

It's completely appropriated response. You wrongly attach blame where it isn't singularly held.
 
Sucks for you. We libs have been on the losing end of the "compromise" stick for the last four years where the GOP was the party of "No Compromise" and record breaking numbers of filibusters to show it. And because of that, you guys lost.

Elections have consequences.

-chuckles- do all elections have consequences ??? because I remember the 2010 elections, where Republicans gained like never before in history in the house, but I guess that doesn't count huh ??
 
-chuckles- do all elections have consequences ??? because I remember the 2010 elections, where Republicans gained like never before in history in the house, but I guess that doesn't count huh ??

Yep... and on top of elections, actions have consequences. Which is reflected in the GOP's popularity as of late.
 
Yep... and on top of elections, actions have consequences. Which is reflected in the GOP's popularity as of late.

When do progressives start taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the result on their political opponent?
 
When do progressives start taking responsibility for their actions instead of blaming the result on their political opponent?

how in the world did you get out of my comment that progress dont' take responsibility for their actions or were you just having a non sequitur moment to complain?
 
how in the world did you get out of my comment that progress dont' take responsibility for their actions or were you just having a non sequitur moment to complain?


Good grief Rob, it is one post up...I thought I'd never say this, but go back and re read your own post, then come back.
 
Good grief Rob, it is one post up...I thought I'd never say this, but go back and re read your own post, then come back.

HOw are progressives responsible for the GOP's bad nosediving popularity?
 
HOw are progressives responsible for the GOP's bad nosediving popularity?

Well, maybe not totally responsible, repubs like any other group in DC are notorious for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. But, if you are honest you will acknowledge that most Americaan's are not as "plugged in" to politics as we are in here, and that taking that into account, most of their opinion is generated from what they hear on very short time periods of outlets like the major three network news, or Cable outlets like MSNBC, CNN, or even FNS. Taking that into account the tend to form uninformed opinions, and are led, rather than formulate their own beliefs. As such, we also know, that right wing media (if you want to call it that) includes much of talk radio, and FoxNews, where as liberal, or progressive media includes, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, NPR, PBS, PacificaRadio, some elements of XM/Sirius, TalkRadio network, and a majority of existing news papers like the NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Time, Newsweek (now online only), the Atlantic, and the list goes on. FoxNews, and its brethren in the radio, and some print news, are simply no match for the 'mediamatters' driven radical dishonest left today, and as a result are simply being out matched in getting their message out, as well as dispelling the lies put forth, and repeated in the liberal progressive echo chamber of the afore mentioned.
 
Well, maybe not totally responsible, repubs like any other group in DC are notorious for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. But, if you are honest you will acknowledge that most Americaan's are not as "plugged in" to politics as we are in here, and that taking that into account, most of their opinion is generated from what they hear on very short time periods of outlets like the major three network news, or Cable outlets like MSNBC, CNN, or even FNS. Taking that into account the tend to form uninformed opinions, and are led, rather than formulate their own beliefs. As such, we also know, that right wing media (if you want to call it that) includes much of talk radio, and FoxNews, where as liberal, or progressive media includes, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, NPR, PBS, PacificaRadio, some elements of XM/Sirius, TalkRadio network, and a majority of existing news papers like the NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Time, Newsweek (now online only), the Atlantic, and the list goes on. FoxNews, and its brethren in the radio, and some print news, are simply no match for the 'mediamatters' driven radical dishonest left today, and as a result are simply being out matched in getting their message out, as well as dispelling the lies put forth, and repeated in the liberal progressive echo chamber of the afore mentioned.

Conservative media isn't as thin as you'd think.

90% of talk radio is conservative. WSJ, NY Post, Washington Times... Boatloads of others just by News Corp alone.

The other think I'll note is the fallacy of your argument that if it isn't conservative then it IS liberal. It's not. CNN is not. ABC, CBS and NBC broadcast are not. CNBC is not. MSNBC and HuffPo yes. NPR has been accused but is not.
 
Conservative media isn't as thin as you'd think.

90% of talk radio is conservative. WSJ, NY Post, Washington Times... Boatloads of others just by News Corp alone.

The other think I'll note is the fallacy of your argument that if it isn't conservative then it IS liberal. It's not. CNN is not. ABC, CBS and NBC broadcast are not. CNBC is not. MSNBC and HuffPo yes. NPR has been accused but is not.


:lamo Yeah right....
 
:lamo Yeah right....

Clearly you have bought the bill of goods sold by Fox that only they can be trusted conservative news and everyone else is untrusted liberal sources. Critical thinking has failed yet again.
 
Clearly you have bought the bill of goods sold by Fox that only they can be trusted conservative news and everyone else is untrusted liberal sources. Critical thinking has failed yet again.

Not at all, who I watch and listen to would surprise you.
 
HOw are progressives responsible for the GOP's bad nosediving popularity?


All the lies told by the liberal main stream media.

Unfortunately not everyone gets their news from a fair and balanced source.
 
Clearly you have bought the bill of goods sold by Fox that only they can be trusted conservative news and everyone else is untrusted liberal sources. Critical thinking has failed yet again.

You want to talk about Critical thinking failing? Here is Sam Donaldson on Crissy 'Drunkard' Matthews' show....

SAM DONALDSON: The minorities re-elected president Obama, but I'm going with Katty. It's the Tea Party and thinking of the Tea Party and people like that that are driving the Republicans out of contention as a national party. You cannot win nationally if you don't know something about the way the country's changed, and the Tea Party seems to think the country can go back 25 or 30 years. The greatest slogan that I hated during this last campaign was “We want to take back our country.” Guys, it's not your country anymore - it's our country and you're part of it, but that thinking is going to defeat Republicans nationally if they don't get rid of it.

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Not surprisingly, the only good Republican in these folks’ view is a moderate one.


Read more: Sam Donaldson Tells Tea Partiers 'It's Not Your Country Anymore - It's Our Country' | NewsBusters.org


Donaldson can go fark himself. Didn't he used to be a CBS mainstay? Yeah I thought so.
 
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