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CIA Director Resigns

The Barbarian said:
yeah, anyone can say they are moderate ....... but actions speak louder .. .
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Who are they? I was talking about me. And if you took the time which apparently you did not to look at some of my positions and opinions you would see that I go all over the place on the spectrum depending on the issue.

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Redress said:
Oh look, comparing apples and oranges.
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You made the claim the chances were small... I've attached your quote below. (You Libs have a bad habit of doing this... John W tried it on the Denmark taxation thread.)

I would say flying planes into 3 buildings is far smaller. It's not apples and oranges... it is to show things happen. Blackmail is easier than a coordinated attack with four commercial jetliners.

Redress said:
The opportunity for blackmail exists with pretty much every one. It does not make it particularly likely. With the rest of the facts involved, the chance that the issue here is blackmail is vanishingly small. All those details are in this very thread. Is English your second language?
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This exercise has been enlightening, for it reminds us once again how lax the Left's views are when it comes to National Security.

Now... Redress... Translate the following for me. Explain what exactly does "compromised" mean?

He was going around the world negotiating various understandings and agreements[/B... And to have someone out there in such a sensitive position who the FBI thought perhaps could have been compromised or was under the scope of an FBI investigation who may or may not have been having an affair at the time, that to me had to have been brought to the president or certainly to the National Security Council. If not, the FBI was derelict in its duty.”

“This is a crisis... of major proportions,” King added. “This is not the usual political thing. We’re not talking about the secretary of commerce or some undersecretary somewhere.

Read more: Peter King on David Petraeus: ?Crisis of major proportions? - Kevin Robillard - POLITICO.com
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zimmer said:
You made the claim the chances were small... I've attached your quote below. (You Libs have a bad habit of doing this... John W tried it on the Denmark taxation thread.)

I would say flying planes into 3 buildings is far smaller. It's not apples and oranges... it is to show things happen. Blackmail is easier than a coordinated attack with four commercial jetliners.



This exercise has been enlightening, for it reminds us once again how lax the Left's views are when it comes to National Security.

Now... Redress... Translate the following for me. Explain what exactly does "compromised" mean?
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Did you read what you quoted? To quote you: "is English your second language?" Words have meaning, and "compromised" does not mean "blackmailed", especially in the context. Here, let me help: compromise - Wiktionary

[h=3]Verb[/h] compromise (third-person singular simple present compromises, present participle compromising, simple past and past participle compromised)

  1. (intransitive) To bind by mutual agreement.
  2. (intransitive) To find a way between extremes.
  3. (transitive) To cause impairment of.
  4. (transitive) To breach a security system.
He tried to compromise the security in the computer by guessing the password.
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Alas poor General. Another in a long line of great men to be brought down by a younger lady.


To be fair she is an expert on "military affairs".....

Vaya Con Dios.
 
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Maenad said:
LOL. Of course they are! And I must compliment you on your ability to state the obvious most eloquently for the benefit of those who cannot even see the obvious!
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Thank you. Sometimes liberals need a little help connecting the dots... :mrgreen:
 
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Redress said:
Did you read what you quoted? To quote you: "is English your second language?" Words have meaning, and "compromised" does not mean "blackmailed", especially in the context. Here, let me help: compromise - Wiktionary
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ROTFLOL...

I mean really Redress... you must think English is my second language... now I'm seriously thinking it's yours, or worse... you don't mind lying to yourself.

Proponents of Parasite Nation need be dragged to the truth.

compromise
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a. To expose or make liable to danger, suspicion, or disrepute...
compromise - definition of compromise by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

"Make liable to danger..." What danger might that be Redress?
Tell me.
 
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zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...

I mean really Redress... you must think English is my second language... now I'm seriously thinking it's yours, or worse... you don't mind lying to yourself.

Proponents of Parasite Nation need be dragged to the truth.

compromise
1.
a. To expose or make liable to danger, suspicion, or disrepute...
compromise - definition of compromise by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

"Make liable to danger..." What danger might that be Redress?
Tell me.
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Oh look, you still have not found the word "blackmail".
 
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Redress said:
Oh look, you still have not found the word "blackmail".
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I was waiting for that... it was so utterly predictable.

I asked YOU... what does "compromised" mean? What does it mean? Tell me... what does it mean? Congressman King stated this was a crisis.. this was serious business... and it is. When the CIA director is vulnerable like this... it's serious. As he said, it's not like the State Dept.

You and I know what it "compromised" means... and what did you do? You downplayed it... (paraphrasing) "as if someone would blackmail someone in polite society today."

You are naive. You know what the Russian mafia is like? They make the Italian mafia look like beauty queens. The Russian government is no softer than the Russian mafia. It is a different mentality. The Communist Chinese would have zero reservations to extract whatever the could... and what is easier than a crippled target? Even if it doesn't work, it is worth the try.

Parasite nation is so dangerous on so many fronts.
 
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zimmer said:
I was waiting for that... it was so utterly predictable.

I asked YOU... what does "compromised" mean? What does it mean? Tell me... what does it mean? Congressman King stated this was a crisis.. this was serious business... and it is. When the CIA director is vulnerable like this... it's serious. As he said, it's not like the State Dept.

You and I know what it "compromised" means... and what did you do? You downplayed it... (paraphrasing) "as if someone would blackmail someone in polite society today."

You are naive. You know what the Russian mafia is like? They make the Italian mafia look like beauty queens. The Russian mafia is the Russian government. The Communist Chinese would have zero reservations to extract whatever the could... and what is easier than a crippled target? Even if it doesn't work, it is worth the try.

Parasite nation is so dangerous on so many fronts.
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Good God, someone get a dart gun.
 
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Lets make this simple. At what point was Patreaus compromised and when did the government know of it?

As soon as they connected the dots to know when he was vulnerable to personal blackmail, he should have been releived of command. Political expectations dont enter into it when national safety is a consideration in the discussion.

As soon as possible he should have been relieved, not when politically convenient.
You can be behind that simple idea or you can be wrong---your choice.
 
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AdamT said:
Good God, someone get a dart gun.
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Did someone fart? Oh! it was coitus interruptus inserting himself without nary a morsel to add to the debate except foul air.

Adam... Parasite Nation won the election... you can rejoice... no need to count Benghazi threads... you are free to engage in debate.
What that means is you can provide some value with your deep insight while offering divergent opinion. I welcome it. I cannot speak for others, but I am sure a few might welcome some insight from your brilliant analytical mind and stellar political instincts.

Before we were so rudely interrupted... I've posted it again...

Redress said:
Oh look, you still have not found the word "blackmail".
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I was waiting for that... it was so utterly predictable.

I asked YOU... what does "compromised" mean? What does it mean? Tell me... what does it mean? Congressman King stated this was a crisis.. this was serious business... and it is. When the CIA director is vulnerable like this... it's serious. As he said, it's not like the State Dept.

You and I know what it "compromised" means... and what did you do? You downplayed it... (paraphrasing) "as if someone would blackmail someone in polite society today."

You are naive. You know what the Russian mafia is like? They make the Italian mafia look like beauty queens. The Russian government is no softer than the Russian mafia. It is a different mentality. The Communist Chinese would have zero reservations to extract whatever the could... and what is easier than a crippled target? Even if it doesn't work, it is worth the try.

Parasite nation is so dangerous on so many fronts.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Lets make this simple. At what point was Patreaus compromised and when did the government know of it?

As soon as they connected the dots to know when he was vulnerable to personal blackmail, he should have been releived of command. Political expectations dont enter into it when national safety is a consideration in the discussion.

As soon as possible he should have been relieved, not when politically convenient.
You can be behind that simple idea or you can be wrong---your choice.
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You cannot actually believe he could have been subject to blackmail??? ;)
Who would do such a thing?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Lets make this simple. At what point was Patreaus compromised and when did the government know of it?

As soon as they connected the dots to know when he was vulnerable to personal blackmail, he should have been releived of command. Political expectations dont enter into it when national safety is a consideration in the discussion.

As soon as possible he should have been relieved, not when politically convenient.
You can be behind that simple idea or you can be wrong---your choice.
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Once the FBI figured it out, and presented the E-mails to Patraeus,the secret was out, and there was no further potential for blackmail.

How far did he get with the second woman? Are there others?


"A former associate of Petraeus confirmed the target of the emails was Kelley, but said there was no affair between the two, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss the retired general's private life. The associate said Kelley and her husband were longtime friends of Petraeus and his wife."


Read more: Retired General David Petraeus: Tampa woman, Jill Kelley, reportedly received Paula Broadwell emails


Retired General David Petraeus: Tampa woman, Jill Kelley, reportedly received Paula Broadwell emails





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Gladiator said:
Once the FBI figured it out, and presented the E-mails to Patraeus,the secret was out, and there was no further potential for blackmail.

How far did he get with the second woman? Are there others?


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Which are just more reasons he should be relieved of command, you dont wait for the other shoe to drop, you get rid of the problem.

Which isnt hard to understand or to do, unless youre trying to win an election.....
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Which are just more reasons he should be relieved of command, you dont wait for the other shoe to drop, you get rid of the problem.

Which isnt hard to understand or to do, unless youre trying to win an election.....
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With the bonus that it's a distraction from Benghazi.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Lets make this simple. At what point was Patreaus compromised and when did the government know of it?

As soon as they connected the dots to know when he was vulnerable to personal blackmail, he should have been releived of command. Political expectations dont enter into it when national safety is a consideration in the discussion.

As soon as possible he should have been relieved, not when politically convenient.
You can be behind that simple idea or you can be wrong---your choice.
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I don't think he was ever compromised. But the potential for it existed.

I think the fact that he resigned over the affair negates the chances that the affair could have ever been used to blackmail him. If the attempt were made, he would have just revealed it himself and resigned.

Back to square one. It's an excuse to cover the political truths.
 
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nota bene said:
Breaking news from ABC: FBI Deemed Petraeus Affair Part of Criminal, Not Intel Probe - ABC News

This just become more awful by the day.
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The Criminal Probe could have centered on whether the threatening E-mails to Jill Kelley constuted a threat of bodily harm. "Keep away from my man!" is probably not a threat of bodily harm, by itself. But more investigation was needed to be sure that there was no threat.

Patreaus could probably not admit he knew who sent the E-Mails to Jill, without revealing his affair with Paula Broadwell.

Should Patraeus return to Afghanistan and be prosecuted under Afghan law for Adultery?



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The legal part of it is whether or not he was still in the military or not when he started the affair. You can be punished under the UCMJ for adultery. I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but unless he attends the congressional meetings regarding Benghanzi, then the timing is just too dubious.
 
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nota bene said:
Krauthammer was right Friday: Now that there's a sex scandal, the media's finally interested.
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Agreed, all the big guns and heavy hitters are lining up: NYT, National Enquirer, Rolling Stone, Washington Post, NBC...

Do you suppose there is any truth to the rumor that Hillary Clinton and Leon Panetta are in Australia to apply for asylum? :mrgreen:
 
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mac said:
I don't think he was ever compromised. But the potential for it existed.

I think the fact that he resigned over the affair negates the chances that the affair could have ever been used to blackmail him. If the attempt were made, he would have just revealed it himself and resigned.

Back to square one. It's an excuse to cover the political truths.
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Broadwell said the CIA were holding Libyan prisoners at the annex and that was the reason for the attack.

Petraeus should have his head examined.

But Broadwell’s father said Sunday his daughter is the victim of character assassination and implied the bombshell story is just a smoke screen for something bigger.

“This is about something else entirely, and the truth will come out,” Broadwell’s dad, Paul Krantz, told the Daily News outside his home in Bismarck, N.D.

“There is a lot more that is going to come out,” said Krantz, claiming he was not allowed to elaborate. “You wait and see. There’s a lot more here than meets the eye.”
 
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