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Puerto Rico Votes on US Ties

Henrin said:
All states should be equal or we should do away with the system. Since the later would take an amendment the former is all that is desirable here. There is no room for an all red map and four blue states on the corner with the blue corners winning the whole thing. If you want you can think of it the other way around if it pleases you, but the point still stands. An all blue map with red around the corners is just as bad.
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However it works out, the vote should be based on population, not on acreage. I wouldn't necessarily oppose doing away with the electoral college, but giving all the states the same number of electoral votes essentially disenfranchises people.



Self determination is entirely possible to be ignored in our current system. Adding another imbalanced state like Puerto Rico will not help in that regard.

I'm also not sure what secession and accession has to do with each other.
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Accession meaning the opposite of secession. If you feel I'm misusing the word, that's fine but I'm not interested in semantics here.

You're basically worried that it throws off the electoral balance. Get your head out of the 1850s. We don't have to worry about slave states vs. free states anymore. Red states vs. Blue states is just as bad, only more flawed. Why should the will of the people of Puerto Rico (or the District of Columbia, for that matter) be held hostage to the power demands of the Republican party. Besides which, why assume they'd vote Democratic? The current Governor (who is elected) is a Republican (name is different in PR, but they are members of the RNC).

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PeteEU said:
Difference is that those named dont sound like Spanish anymore. Plus they joined long ago, before the GOP started to hate latinos.



Maybe .. maybe not. One can hope that the non Tea Party people join the Dems to block them out.
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Stop the race baiting. The GOP doesn't hate Latinos.
 
rocket88 said:
Stop the race baiting. The GOP doesn't hate Latinos.
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1.) Latinos is a race?
2.) Could have fooled me on the "hating" bit. The GOP has gone out of its way to label all Latinos as possible illegals.
 
Wrong. The Republican Party is going to cut the Mitt Romney's of the world loose. We don't win when we elect moderates like Romney and McCain. We only win when we elect guys like Bush.

rocket88 said:
I haven't heard them take a position. I don't think they oppose it. After the TP cost them the opportunity to take the Senate, the GOP is going to cut them loose. They were only good enough as long as it won them elections.
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PeteEU said:
Its a fact... they are a colony as long they dont have all the rights and privileges of a citizen and their island is equal to the other areas of the US. I will be very happy when the US stops to be a colonial power :)
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The people of Puerto Rico chose to trade certain voting rights in return for certain tax advantages. Calling that colonialism is an insult to the suffering of those under real colonialism, of which a Spaniard should be intimately familiar. Self Determination is the basic principle against tyranny and that has been upheld in Puerto Rico.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Wrong. The Republican Party is going to cut the Mitt Romney's of the world loose. We don't win when we elect moderates like Romney and McCain. We only win when we elect guys like Bush.
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So they're only going to nominate people like Arkin, Mourdock, Christine O'Donnell (the non-witch) and Orly Taitz? The Democrats love that strategy.

The moderates ARE the Republican Party. If it's not Conservative enough, the TP should form their own party.
 
rocket88 said:
When Canada wants to do that, it's fine with me. Everytime the seperatists in Quebec make noise, the Atlantic provinces talk about joining the US anyway.
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Says who? I'm from the maritimes and no one I know back home has ever been in favor of joining the US.
 
Every time the Democrats win a big election, you guys wish for the same thing... for the Republicans to move more toward the center. And every time, what happens? We move more to the right.

You punched us in the face by shoving Obama down our throats, and now you're offering peace. Offer not accepted.

If you want to work with Republicans, you should have nominated a moderate Democrat and not Obama.

rocket88 said:
So they're only going to nominate people like Arkin, Mourdock, Christine O'Donnell (the non-witch) and Orly Taitz? The Democrats love that strategy.

The moderates ARE the Republican Party. If it's not Conservative enough, the TP should form their own party.
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Chaddelamancha said:
51 is an uneven number and makes me nervous. I like even numbers. Maybe we can let Canada be the 52 state.
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Just look at it this way... it's an even number if you start counting from 1 instead of 0.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Every time the Democrats win a big election, you guys wish for the same thing... for the Republicans to move more toward the center. And every time, what happens? We move more to the right.

You punched us in the face by shoving Obama down our throats, and now you're offering peace. Offer not accepted.

If you want to work with Republicans, you should have nominated a moderate Democrat and not Obama.
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Ummm...OK. I'm not a Democrat. Just because I think the TP are whackos doesn't mean I want to fellate Obama. I didn't even vote for the guy.

Your lean is "Moderate" and here you are condemning the GOP for being too moderate...:lamo Something doesn't add up.

If the Republican Party would give up the fantasy that we're "going back" to some idealized version of 1955 (which never existed) and entered the 21st Century, I might be one.
 
Henrin said:
If I was in congress the only way I would vote for it is if it came with an end to the electoral college. Any other deal is a non starter. I see nothing to gain from a blue state with seven electoral votes.

The system already allows you to lose the popular vote and the majority of the states and still win. There is nothing to gain from making that worse.

On second thought, I would come around if there is a cap at four per state. That should be easier to deal with.
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So you are opposed simply for electorally it might hurt your party some... and nothing else. Interesting way to go about making policies in this world.
 
I am a moderate. Mitt Romney was a moderate. Obama is WAY to the right of me. I believe my lean will change now to be more right-wing, because I believe half this country is friggin nuts.

rocket88 said:
Ummm...OK. I'm not a Democrat. Just because I think the TP are whackos doesn't mean I want to fellate Obama. I didn't even vote for the guy.

Your lean is "Moderate" and here you are condemning the GOP for being too moderate...:lamo Something doesn't add up.

If the Republican Party would give up the fantasy that we're "going back" to some idealized version of 1955 (which never existed) and entered the 21st Century, I might be one.
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Peter Grimm said:
I am a moderate. Mitt Romney was a moderate. Obama is WAY to the right of me. I believe my lean will change now to be more right-wing, because I believe half this country is friggin nuts.
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You are not moderate. People are just the worst at describing who they are. Most everyone thinks or would describe themselves as the center.
 
Peter Grimm said:
And Obama is a socialist.
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Not only are you not a moderate, you don't know what socialism means. Which makes it more obvious why you don't know the first thing about where you stand and can't describe yourself politically.
 
I'm whatever Obama isn't. How about that.

LOL. I'm a mainstream Republican. What's hard to understand about that?

poweRob said:
Not only are you not a moderate, you don't know what socialism means. Which makes it more obvious why you don't know the first thing about where you stand and can't describe yourself politically.
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How do you figure?

Romney is a mainstream Republican, and around where I am. McCain is slightly to the left, and the Tea Partiers are to the right of me.

rocket88 said:
Romney and McCain are mainstream Republicans. You're a radical Conservative.
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We've already imported the world's sewage to elect Obama.

The United States cannot afford another "Proud Culture" of dependent Hispanics with huge families, all demanding that others work to support them. Why don't they submit their application to Mexico, they have more in common with the Mexicans.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
How do you figure?

Romney is a mainstream Republican, and around where I am. McCain is slightly to the left, and the Tea Partiers are to the right of me.
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If Romney is "around where you are," why did you say that the problem was moderates like him?

Peter Grimm said:
The Republican Party is going to cut the Mitt Romney's of the world loose. We don't win when we elect moderates like Romney and McCain. We only win when we elect guys like Bush.
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Ray410 said:
The United States cannot afford another "Proud Culture" of dependent Hispanics with huge families, all demanding that others work to support them. Why don't they submit their application to Mexico, they have more in common with the Mexicans.
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"Yep, can't have those brown-skinned people coming in."

(Somehow, that's not race baiting)
 
Because he doesn't fire up the base to vote. Mitt Romney was all about compromise. We need someone who is more passionate and principled.

rocket88 said:
If Romney is "around where you are," why did you say that the problem was moderates like him?
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PeteEU said:
1.) Latinos is a race?
2.) Could have fooled me on the "hating" bit. The GOP has gone out of its way to label all Latinos as possible illegals.
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They have done no such thing.
 
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