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I don't like it but before you start celebrating lets see what the SCOTUS says.
Don't you think the will of the people counts?
I don't like it but before you start celebrating lets see what the SCOTUS says.
You get more and more disgusted with the American people ... wanting equality?
You are free to move elsewhere. We won't miss your type here at all.
Oh....you mean the one where people actually live? LOL.....get used to it NP....I love it....even in your state....and soon to be in all 57
Thanks for the update........We will see what the SCOTUS says..........Did you happen to notice the breakdown by county? 31 Reject 9 Approve........One county King its more far left then Disney Dude if that is possible.
I've talked to a few colleagues of mine who own restaurants,catering companies and banquet halls in the Washington area and they are ecstatic at their state passing SSM.This is GREAT time to get into the gay wedding planning business.
Quit with the bullcrap, Tigger, and say "MORALITY and VALUES as I DEFINE THEM".I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government.
Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.
Not at the Federal level.............Just like dope.
I get more and more disgusted with the idea that MORALITY and VALUES are not the defining characteristics of this nation's society and government. Just like every other "equality" movement other than the racial one, this movement seeks to destroy thousands of years of perfectly good societal norms without showing any significant advantage to the society as a whole.
And we all know what your views on "gender equality" are,Tigger. You've made it quite know throughout DebatePolitics.com.
Your argument is only valid if gay marriage prevents straight people from getting married.
Care to explain how two people of the same gender getting married effects the marriage of straight people like me and my wife?
Because I for the life of me can't see any way possible that it can effect my marriage to Selena.
I absolutely love it when anti-gay folks cry about humanity being destroyed by gay marriage. It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Guess what happens when gay people are allowed to get married?
I know, shocking isn't it? Hell doesn't freeze over, our community isn't going to die. It is a significant advantage for society as a whole because it's a huge step towards equality and helps shape society's perception. People often say that we're "forcing" gay marriage and LGBT equality on others, and the way I see it, YES WE ARE! We are forcing it on you! Guess what else we forced on traditionalists? The end of slavery, the civil rights movement, and even the women's rights movement. Sometimes people need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy. I just love this.
That is what is so silly about your posts, they never were immutable concepts not now, not during the Roman republic, not during Egyptian empire, etc. Humans have always had differing opinions on what is right or wrong, at no point was there ever worldwide consensus. This country was founded on compromise because our founding fathers couldn't agree on things....because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
That is what is so silly about your posts, they never were immutable concepts not now, not during the Roman republic, not during Egyptian empire, etc. Humans have always had differing opinions on what is right or wrong, at no point was there ever worldwide consensus. This country was founded on compromise because our founding fathers couldn't agree on things.
Whoever sold you this fairy tale that things were ever the way you think they were in the past, did you a great disservice.
Right now, my best thought on where to move to is about six feet below ground level, right next to my father.
I just put your tears into a blender and made a shake, it was the tastiest thing I had all week. :lol:No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality. It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement. That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG, regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it. When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
This sounds eerily similar to arguments against any other major rights movement in the past couple of centuries. Yes, that is exactly my point, it is being forced on you in order to make it socially acceptable, if you can't learn to progress, you'll just have to deal with I guess.This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable
It devalues the entire concept of Marriage for individuals who should not be allowed to marry to do so. It turns the entire concept into a charade and a side-show; nothing more. I actually have no problem with "civil unions". So far as I'm concerned, the courts can allow any number of people, animals, plants. etc... to be united in a legal contract. HOWEVER, the word "marriage" has historically indicated a religious and social union beyond simply a legal one. That is where I have a problem. This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable, and that is a major step in the wrong direction so far as I'm concerned.
SEE THE POST BELOW FOR PROOF OF THAT....
No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality. It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement. That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG, regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it. When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
Not true...The SCOTUS does not like to interfere in states rights.........Constitutional amendments are much harder to break then DOMA............DOMA has already been overturned in 6 states.
On a side note the last activist judge in Iowa who approved SSM was voted out last night..........
That's your OPINION and you have every right in this Good Ol United States of America to have it.It devalues the entire concept of Marriage for individuals who should not be allowed to marry to do so.
It turns the entire concept into a charade and a side-show; nothing more.
Blah,blah,blah,blah,religion,blah,blah,blah,tradition blah blah blah blah blah,blah blah blah blah society is going to crumble blah blah blah blah same old boring tired arguments that really prove nothing blah blah blah....I actually have no problem with "civil unions". So far as I'm concerned, the courts can allow any number of people, animals, plants. etc... to be united in a legal contract. HOWEVER, the word "marriage" has historically indicated a religious and social union beyond simply a legal one.
That is where I have a problem.
This is the first step towards individuals attempting to force other people to find SSM and homosexual activities LEGAL, but socially acceptable,
and that is a major step in the wrong direction so far as I'm concerned.
SEE THE POST BELOW FOR PROOF OF THAT....
No, it's a step towards SAMENESS, not Equality.
It's the same problem that we have with the Feminist movement.
That is, the unwillingness for society to accept in this day and age that some things are RIGHT and some things are WRONG,
regardless of whatever emotional garbage you use to try and support it.
When one accepts that something which is inherently WRONG is now RIGHT, the entire system gets thrown out of whack. Why do you think Western Society has been headed towards the toilet drain of history for the last Century? Mostly because we no longer accept that RIGHT and WRONG are immutable concepts.
I won't accept the idea that marriage is only allowed for certain people based on whatever religious scripture says is "inherently right" or "inherently wrong". Religion and faith is for the INDIVIDUAL, it is for YOU. No one is forcing YOU to get gay married, no one is devaluing YOUR marriage. If anything, it's making it even more valuable because now everyone can share in the joy of getting married. Besides, gay marriage is already legal around the world, isn't your marriage already devalued? Is it like a proximity thing? Is your marriage valuable in Idaho but suddenly meaningless when you cross over to Washington? Can I get some more tears for my dinner tonight?
A majority (50% +1) of Americans support gay marriage compared to a few years ago. The world is evolving past it's archaic biases, and Tigger, you're just gonna have to resolve your fear and hatred and accept it, or sit back and become an outcast like the pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-sexism crazies.
This sounds eerily similar to arguments against any other major rights movement in the past couple of centuries. Yes, that is exactly my point, it is being forced on you in order to make it socially acceptable, if you can't learn to progress, you'll just have to deal with I guess.
Oh, hell yes. "This ****" is already happening with gay marriage.Oh hell no. Not this **** again.