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U.S. Offers New Details Of Deadly Libya Attack

The Spectre is capable of taking out individual targets with pinpoint accuracy.
What you saw in that video was not "pinpoint accuracy". And as you heard @ the 40 second mark, it was said; "Try not to hit anymore buildings."

And in times like these, screw pinpoint accuracy. If it wasn't there already, they should have sent it and more.
 
Okay, so if we get up in arms about 4 dead Americans, will you ask for Bush's head over 3000?

Well lets throw in a CIA Network, Agents, Compound with Weapons and Arms, All Compromised and the loss of a Safehouse. That was also uncovered. Do you think that would include any sort of Foreign Policy with another country?
 
Damning statement right there. Where the **** were the Marines that should have been stationed at the consulate and elsewhere security was necessary. An ambassador is like a 4-star general, how many 4-star generals only have 5 men around to provide security for them when they're in a hostile environment? Why do you think the SEALS are all pissed off? They aren't stupid you know, they know a thing or two about how the military operates. The administration is treating everyone like they're six year olds, like they don't know ****. What we have here, is a failure to communicate and a failure to lead.

There was another Team in Tripoli they never made it there.
 
Time will tell. I think that those of us who don't know the logistics should sit back and at least listen to them.



If you're worried about civilian casualties, don't you think firing indiscriminately into a crowd would cause that? I don't think you can exactly be a sniper from a plane, but I could be wrong. There's also the fact that usually when you fly warplanes into a country's territory, that's considered an act of war. So now you're talking about the potential for another 3000 troops dead to protect 4 people. Wars can escalate quickly. I think it's a reasonable question to ask about whether it's worth another war.

What crowd? The streets were clear according to the Libyans. Check points had been set up. According to Libyan civilians no one could get in or out.
 
I thought they rescued 30 people in 25 minutes. I know I read that somewhere today.

Yeah I had it in the other thread.....36 saved. Sure ya want to count on it the reporter since it was from a Right Wing Source? :roll:
 
What you saw in that video was not "pinpoint accuracy". And as you heard @ the 40 second mark, it was said; "Try not to hit anymore buildings."

And in times like these, screw pinpoint accuracy. If it wasn't there already, they should have sent it and more.

LOL!!!

When you consider that the firing was coming from an aircraft...at probably 1000 feet of altitude or more...that's pinpoint accuracy.
 
How would you use it?

Well one it could have been used to target the mortar positions. Also it could have took out the Roadblocks and so called check points that had our people locked in. They did have to croos over to the other side of the town and we have the report as to why it took them so long.
 
More BS to cloud the issue.

One of these bad boys was two hours away:



This is what they are capable of doing:



Why wasn't it used?


I think because Panetta wasn't sure if the CIA compound had been compromised. As it was holding Anti Aircraft Missiles. Surface to Air. SAR7s!
 
Well one it could have been used to target the mortar positions. Also it could have took out the Roadblocks and so called check points that had our people locked in. They did have to croos over to the other side of the town and we have the report as to why it took them so long.

How do you take out roadblocks on narrow residential streets?
 
How do you take out roadblocks on narrow residential streets?

By blowing the Roadblocks to bits and pieces......so our people can get thru them. The battle raged for 7 hrs. Only took 45 mins for the Surveillance drones to get there. Ya mean to tell me they couldn't have sent in armed drones within that 7hrs?
 
By blowing the Roadblocks to bits and pieces......so our people can get thru them. The battle raged for 7 hrs. Only took 45 mins for the Surveillance drones to get there. Ya mean to tell me they couldn't have sent in armed drones within that 7hrs?

The first drone arrived 2 hours after the beginning of the attack. This isn't open turf like Afghanistan.. Its dense highrise residential .....
 
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) -- It began around nightfall on Sept. 11 with around 150 bearded gunmen, some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants, sealing off the streets leading to the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. They set up roadblocks with pick-up trucks mounted with heavy machine guns, according to witnesses.

The trucks bore the logo of Ansar al-Shariah, a powerful local group of Islamist militants who worked with the municipal government to manage security in Benghazi.

There was no sign of a spontaneous protest against an American-made movie denigrating Islam's Prophet Muhammad. But a lawyer passing by the scene said he saw the militants gathering around 20 youths from nearby to chant against the film. Within an hour or so, the assault began, guns blazing as the militants blasted into the compound.

The witness accounts gathered by The Associated Press give a from-the-ground perspective for the sharply partisan debate in the U.S. over the attack that left U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. They corroborate the conclusion largely reached by American officials that it was a planned militant assault. But they also suggest the militants may have used the film controversy as a cover for the attack.

The Obama administration has sent out muddled messages whether it was a planned attack or a mob protest that got out of control. A day after the attack, President Barack Obama referred to "acts of terror." He told CBS' "60 Minutes" in an interview aired the following Sunday that he believed those involved "were looking to target Americans from the start."

Within 24 hours of the attack, both the embassy in Tripoli and the CIA station chief sent word to Washington that it was a planned militant attack. Still, days later, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Susan Rice, said the attack began as a spontaneous protest over the film.

Ansar al-Shariah, the group whose members are suspected in the attack, is made up of militants with an al-Qaida-like ideology, but it is not clear whether it has any true ties to the terror organization. Made up mainly of veterans of last year's civil war, it is one of the many powerful, heavily armed militias that operate freely in Libya and in Benghazi, while government control remains weak. Some Benghazi officials have praised Ansar al-Shariah for helping keep order in the city, even as they note its jihadi ideology.

With its arsenal of weapons, the group is capable of carrying out such an attack on the consulate on its own and even on relatively short notice. Islamist militias in Benghazi had in previous months threatened to attack the compound
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Yasser el-Sirri, a former Egyptian militant who runs the Islamic Observation Center in London closely tracking jihadi groups, said the attack "had nothing to do with the film but it was a coincidence that served the (militants') purpose."
He believes the ambassador was the target and the attackers may have been inspired by an al-Qaida call to avenge the death of a top Libyan jihadist on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the United States in 2001. But he offered no firm evidence that was the motive.

The neighbors all described the militants setting up checkpoints around the compound at about 8 p.m. The State Department's timeline says the attack itself began at around 9:40 p.m.
The attack came from the front and the side. A neighbor whose house is on side of the consulate compound said militants with their faces wrapped in scarves attacking.

Because of the checkpoints, "it felt like our neighborhood was occupied, no one could get out or in," he said.

The effectiveness of the roadblocks was later revealed in the State Department's account of the evacuation. It described how the rescue force came under heavy fire and grenade attacks as they tried to leave the consulate area.

They evacuated staffers to a security compound across town, where they continued to come under fire. A precision mortar hit the compound's building at 4 a.m., killing two other Americans.....snip~

Moreover there was no one on the streets. The Libyans confirm this.

From the other thread that I put this up in Sharon. Either ones Drones or the AC. Time isn't a factor. The point was in 7 hrs they could have been there. Despite being narrow streets and all of that they could have helped get them out the box.

Plus lets not forget who set up the Roadblocks! Which as you know I have all these sources in the Current Benghazi thread up.
 
This is Benghazi.

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Here are more realistic pictures of the areas in discussion:

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Sorry.. I just can't do it.. I can't sit here and second guess those CIA guys on the ground or Obama and his advisors in the situation room.

I have tried to think what might have happened to my family living across the street from the US embassy and the Russian embassy in Tripoli.

You seem to have all the answers from your perch behind the keyboard.
 
Sorry.. I just can't do it.. I can't sit here and second guess those CIA guys on the ground or Obama and his advisors in the situation room.

I have tried to think what might have happened to my family living across the street from the US embassy and the Russian embassy in Tripoli.

You seem to have all the answers from your perch behind the keyboard.


Well I am sure those that are Military can see how it could be done. Also another thing not mentioned are Choppers. Even being 4 hrs away they would have still made it there to clear the way. So we shall see if the Press asks that question. With all the muddling and confusion and of course deflection by this Administration.
 
Sorry.. I just can't do it.. I can't sit here and second guess those CIA guys on the ground or Obama and his advisors in the situation room.

I have tried to think what might have happened to my family living across the street from the US embassy and the Russian embassy in Tripoli.

You seem to have all the answers from your perch behind the keyboard.

No, sharon, I don't have any answers...just a lot of questions.

Now...if we could just get Obama and his people to answer those questions I'd be a lot happier. I'm sure the loved ones of the deceased would be, as well.
 
In fact, there were seven attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates during the Bush years, and numerous other such attacks have happened under recent presidents.
Under Bush, these attacks happened:
2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured. From a June 15, 2002, Chicago Tribune article.
2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan. From a July 31, 2004, Los Angeles Times article.
2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia. From a December 6, 2004, New York Times article.
2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria. From a September 13, 2006, Washington Post article.
2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens. From The New York Times.
2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia. From The New York Times.
2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen. From The New York Times.
The death toll from these attacks was 80 people, no Americans. Another 50 or so were injured, also not Americans. The only difference with Benghazi is 4 Americans died in the attack.

This article goes on to list attacks on embassies under other presidents.
Krauthammer Whitewashes Bush's History To Bash Obama Over Embassy Attack
 
The death toll from these attacks was 80 people, no Americans. Another 50 or so were injured, also not Americans. The only difference with Benghazi is 4 Americans died in the attack.

This article goes on to list attacks on embassies under other presidents.
Krauthammer Whitewashes Bush's History To Bash Obama Over Embassy Attack



Yeah and.....Bush is not who's got Shiznit happening on his watch. This time it's Obama's Watch.

Course now with Obama we have 23 Embassies in 23 different countries that have been Rioted and Property Damaged All within a certain time period. Over Hundreds injured and none American. Yet did that stop them from rioting? Another First for Obama.....huh?

Also Under Obama.....Head of Security Killed in Yemen, attempted Assassinaton of Selah, his Nephew, AQ and others have a tight grip on the country.

Then under Obama and In Afghanistan we have our Ally shooting our people in the back. Yet he committed us to another Decade of being there too.
 
80 people died, I wouldn't consider that a good job.

Pish. The job was to protect American lives, not those protesting and attacking. I consider it a great job.

P.S. How do you know they were people? Could have been Liberals, Jihadist or other sudo-humans.
 
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Yeah and.....Bush is not who's got Shiznit happening on his watch. This time it's Obama's Watch.

Course now with Obama we have 23 Embassies in 23 different countries that have been Rioted and Property Damaged All within a certain time period. Over Hundreds injured and none American. Yet did that stop them from rioting? Another First for Obama.....huh?

Also Under Obama.....Head of Security Killed in Yemen, attempted Assassinaton of Selah, his Nephew, AQ and others have a tight grip on the country.

Then under Obama and In Afghanistan we have our Ally shooting our people in the back. Yet he committed us to another Decade of being there too.

The head of security was a Yemeni.. and its very likely he was killed by al Houthis, not AQ.

Intelligence official offers new timeline for Benghazi attack – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
 
This attack happened over seven hours. If we couldn't deploy armed helicopters from anywhere in the region in that length of time, we should be ashamed of ourselves. If we couldn't get armed drones in the air in less than seven hours, shame on us.

I don't believe it. And I think they are just digging themselves a bigger hole.



The only thing our planes can do is drop bombs? That's a bunch of baloney. Can anyone spell strafe?

And Obama, Hillary and Panetta had no idea if the attack would last four hours or four days. As soon as they see their people in trouble help should be sent immediately, and I feel certain their fellow military members would feel the same way.
 
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