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Fifth Circuit Upholds Ban on Gun Sales to People Under 21

American said:
Man can serve his country at 18, but can't buy a gun. The sad part is how giddy you are about disarming people and infringing on the 2nd Amendment. Militia age is 18-45.
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The member of the State Legislature I work for in the State Capital here in Michigan is a veteran and a gun owner. A constituent wrote him last year complaining that his 19 year old son in the military could not get a weapons permit in civilian capacity when he was home. We consulted with the NRA and had two meetings with their legislative field liasons. We agreed on language which would remedy this and allow active duty military people from the ages of 18 - 20 to get their appropriate legal permissions and licenses to have a weapon when home.

Long story short - the bill was killed when the NRA was angry about other votes on other gun bills that most Democrats voted for so they pulled their support of ALL DEMOCRATIC backed bills including this one. And the worst part of it was the Rep I work for voted the NRA supported way on those other bills.
 
AdamT said:
Thought this would be of interest to the gun rights activits. The first reaction I'm sure will be, "this is why we need to elect Mitt Romney." Well ... note that the opinion's author was a George W. Bush appointee....

And the 5th Circuit is one of the most conservative Courts in the country.
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I wasn't aware anyone had challenged the age limit. 21 is fine imo, though I would like to see an exception for active military.
 
American said:
Man can serve his country at 18, but can't buy a gun. The sad part is how giddy you are about disarming people and infringing on the 2nd Amendment. Militia age is 18-45.
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Same said 18 year old man is intrusted by the very government resticticting his personael rights to carry, with fully automatic rifles, greandes, rockets, Tanks ect. Yep very senseble law.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's not that I'm offended or anything.

But is it entirely nessecary for you to label every single type of person you disagree with as a "tard" in one form or another.
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I like Eike. :) Too bad he's dead. He made a fine president.
 
Jerry said:
I wasn't aware anyone had challenged the age limit. 21 is fine imo, though I would like to see an exception for active military.
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I believe Adam would like to raise the age to 80.
 
American said:
Learn how to spell. It's Ike.
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Eike, Ike, tomaeto, tomato. I dont come to this site to spell properly, or do perfect grammer. I come here to make points, communicate. Just cause my spelling sucks dont make my points any less valid. Grammer Nazi's are just that Nazi's. And there aint no good kind of Nazi's except one. I like Eike. :nahnah::)
 
Deuce said:
"Gift" purchases would bypass the usual background checks. Should I be able to buy a gun as a "gift" for my four-time-felon cousin?
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Again the law makes no such distinction between a gift or who it is for whether it be a legal relative or not. A straw purchase for a father to son for example makes no distinction and goes around no background check etc from a licensed dealer. It is a felony for anyone to purchase a weapon from a dealer for other then themselves, period.

If you are going to make a comment you mite want to actually look up the law first.
 
American said:
Man can serve his country at 18, but can't buy a gun. The sad part is how giddy you are about disarming people and infringing on the 2nd Amendment. Militia age is 18-45.
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Pro gun groups tend to be anti Democratic Party. Adam is part of the "the Democratic Party can do no wrong" society

his giddiness is understandable since gun laws are mainly designed to hassle pro gun groups
 
Jerry said:
I wasn't aware anyone had challenged the age limit. 21 is fine imo, though I would like to see an exception for active military.
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If you are old enough to be drafted and if you are old enough to be sent to death row you are old enough to drink and buy a handgun
 
jamesrage said:
This is why the drinking age should be lowered.A 18 year old can serve his country in war(enlisted age minimum is 17 but you can't be deployed), smoke and vote.
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Yeah - Louisianna had that . . . we actually had that everywhere at one point or another.
There's a reason why it went up - and up - and up.

The average teenager is a retarded nitwit. I don't care about the ideal few - what they were taught or how they were raised or how well they do in school. The AVERAGE teenager is a retarded nitwit.

Or are we all trying to claim we were peaches or purity and precociousness?
 
American said:
I believe Adam would like to raise the age to 80.
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I believe that our laws should be consistent. For example, I think that if a convicted felon pays his or her debt to society, he or she should be able to own a gun. What's your take on that?
 
AdamT said:
I believe that our laws should be consistent. For example, I think that if a convicted felon pays his or her debt to society, he or she should be able to own a gun. What's your take on that?
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Criminals can get a gun anyway so why not give them a permit?

That's my opinion.
 
1. It's only handguns.
2. There are, iirc, exceptions for active military. There was military exception for drinking, but I guess drunken privates isn't great.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yeah - Louisianna had that . . . we actually had that everywhere at one point or another.
There's a reason why it went up - and up - and up.

The average teenager is a retarded nitwit. I don't care about the ideal few - what they were taught or how they were raised or how well they do in school. The AVERAGE teenager is a retarded nitwit.

Or are we all trying to claim we were peaches or purity and precociousness?
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If that's the case then shouldn't we bar these people from smoking, voting,serving our country, enter into legal contracts and anything else that a 18 year old can do?
 
AdamT said:
I believe that our laws should be consistent. For example, I think that if a convicted felon pays his or her debt to society, he or she should be able to own a gun. What's your take on that?
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I agree with that.If a convicted felon can not be trusted to exercise their constitutional rights responsibly then they shouldn't be released.
 
AdamT said:
I believe that our laws should be consistent. For example, I think that if a convicted felon pays his or her debt to society, he or she should be able to own a gun. What's your take on that?
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I don't believe that you actually believe that.
 
jamesrage said:
I agree with that.If a convicted felon can not be trusted to exercise their constitutional rights responsibly then they shouldn't be released.
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Exactly. If they can't be trusted with the rights that normally pertain to a citizen, they should stay in prison.
 
American said:
Lots of people have no brains in their twenties, so maybe we should raise the age to 30. :lol: Don't take offense.
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Some people should not be allowed to have children, much less own a pistol.
 
AdamT said:
I believe that our laws should be consistent. For example, I think that if a convicted felon pays his or her debt to society, he or she should be able to own a gun. What's your take on that?
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Felon pays his debt to society then I see no reason why he/she should not be able to own a gun

He/she also has the responsibility to be able to protect himself, family and other people
 
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jamesrage said:
If that's the case then shouldn't we bar these people from smoking, voting,serving our country, enter into legal contracts and anything else that a 18 year old can do?
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LOL - I'm just pointing out the obvious. Teens are stupid because we let them be stupid. :)
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - I'm just pointing out the obvious. Teens are stupid because we let them be stupid. :)
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And that is part of the problem... we LET them be stupid. We don't make them grow up, like kids had to a century ago.

I treat my 16yo son like a responsible adult for the most part... and for the most part, he ACTS like one... because I expect it of him, and because I've spent the last 16 years building a MAN, not a boy.
 
Goshin said:
And that is part of the problem... we LET them be stupid. We don't make them grow up, like kids had to a century ago.

I treat my 16yo son like a responsible adult for the most part... and for the most part, he ACTS like one... because I expect it of him, and because I've spent the last 16 years building a MAN, not a boy.
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Recall the story I posted about a 12y/o, little Ms. St.Clair, who shot an intruder with "the family gun".... imagine the level of trust her mother placed in Ms. St.Clair, to be 12 y/o and home alone with access to a loaded firearm.

I don't know why the father was missing from that home, but evidently Mrs. St.Clair was doing something right by raising such a responsible little girl.
 
Jerry said:
I wasn't aware anyone had challenged the age limit. 21 is fine imo, though I would like to see an exception for active military.
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Our office in Michigan tried to introduce a bill which would do just that but it got shelved when the NRA turned thumbs down on every piece of gun related legislation sponsored by a Democrat. No Republican would touch it then.
 
haymarket said:
Our office in Michigan tried to introduce a bill which would do just that but it got shelved when the NRA turned thumbs down on every piece of gun related legislation sponsored by a Democrat. No Republican would touch it then.
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So goes politics.
 
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